jayinoz

I am going to try get dual citizenship with my 6 month old son and put a home I have built into his name. First i must see if he can get citizenship, he should as his mother is Thai; and my infant son and I are Aussie. Hopefully he will be dual in the not too distant future.

Can your children be Directors in a company, would be another question i would ask... I am quessing an age limit applies, not under 18yo, etc???

The land and house one will be an interesting one...

Pretty confident on getting the dual citizenship of Aussie\Thai......

My defacto partner (Thai girl- thai citizen) and I had a baby boy only 6 months ago in Aussie. She was in fact not approved for a Permanent VISA in Aussie due to medical reasons and we would have needed to fight this one in court. So we decided to move back to Thailand recently as I have been doing business over here for sometime any.

Therefore I am on a Business Visa yearly. Our Aussie son has overstayed his 30 day tourist entry. We went to immigration in Chiang Mai and they told us we have the option of 1) Doing the right thing and paying them an over stay fee + 1900bt pa for a family O Visa for him OR 2) Never worry about it until he is 15yo, as he does not need to pay any over stay charges until over the age of 15yo....

My thoughts naturally selected No 2 as the easiest option.... If my partner and child do return outside thailand with me in the future I do not think our child will have any hassles.

Yet reading other forums on dual citizenship it makes sense to make him a Thai citizen as well. At least he could legally own land and house, etc without all the farang rules. My partner really wants him to stay Aussie and fears he will lose his Aussie passport.

I know this is not the case- I am sure we can simply apply for a Thai Visa and even citizenship for him in Thailand... What do others advise? Aussie will allow my partner to reapply if her condition improves, if we wish, my guess is we will not wish. As we are both far more happy in Thailand.

Yet would be nice to visit family in Oz from time to time with my Aussie son. I feel he should travel on an Aussie Visa and return on a Thai Visa... Is this possible? Would Thai Immigration be suspicious not to see exit stamps from other countries....? Cheers

Ohh boy I remember when I was done of $10000 US in a pretend company called Cita Biomedical many years ago. Operated by faranges & protected by the thai police at that time.

Cheers

Jay

I am a thai citizen who is staying in Australia on a 1 year multi entry Visa. I need to leave Aussie and re enter every 3 months. I am trying to do this in the most affordable way. So I guess it is a trip to Zealand then back.

Does anyone know if this is the best way to do this & the visa requirements to go to New Zealand for a couple of days then come back... Do you think I would have any issues on re entry to Australia.

I cannot think of a cheaper way to exit Aussie then re enter....it not like thailand where foreigners can simply take a bus to the border. Warm Regards Monica

That is a pity...

Anyway I went through the same plan here in Oz, with my x-wife. I went to try revoke her Visa, as I did not want her to have any access to my assets upon a divorce. I needed to supply divorce papers and a signed letter stating I do not wish to be her sponsor anymore. Immigration took note and I supplied my x-wife with this information when she went back to Thailand for a couple of months. My x-wife said she did not give a SH*$ , so we have never seen her again in over 5 years.

She could have got back into Aussie, but the threat & showing her the evidence of my attempts made it seem to much effort for her. She did not wish that immigration could have asked her to go back. I used her potentially losing face against her, if she attempted to regain entry. I told her not to waste her money and find another man. Hey, I had already build a house in Thai & her family got enough from us over a few years- so she did end up with nothing after 4 years marriage. Yet i know she would have tried for as much as she could get upon return.

This saved me a few hundred K- far easier than seperating with a women in your own country. Anyway that my 2 cents worth.

Hi, I was able to sponsor a couple of people on Vistor Visas even though by law, I was still married. You simply mark separated & this your new gf. No issue has occurred as long as they or you show you have the funds necessary for her stay.

Well this is for Aussies anyway, I feel the same will be true with UK. Cheers jayinoz

Not required yet recommended. If u plan to work or study for more than a month then u will need a work or student visa. In these circumstances insurance was necessary for my gf's relatives. Good Luck

Show marriage certificate & get a 1 year multi entry type O Visa. Show u have money. That it, easy... did this for several years till divorced the girl. Now get 1 Year Multi Entry Business Visa Type B- as have a registered biz in thailand. Hope of some help.

U doing well if still getting dividends from the stock market- all my shares have crashed & burned. Most not paying off any dividends this year. And I am a stockbroker by trade... so u doing well in this worldwide downturn. Chok dee

Cheers

Wow, very young, very naive or very stupid.

No chance when you begin with such a list.

Suspect post

Wow u must be a very wise uk thai man.... tell us more.....What suspect about asking about others experiences. Arrogance is not a virtue mate.

Good Luck, much better idea ,than jayinoz's prescription -wish list

Try hot or not was proposed as a meeting place... what is that? Club... yerrr perfect Done that & next???

Free slurpies sounded like a better idea

I am sure the paid for date sites may save time. My experience with the date sites in Oz has been what u see on the web site is rarely what u get. i think everyone has a wish list or sorts... I did not offer a prescription, I asked others to contribute....

Chok Dee

My wife say's, 'If you want a very nice educated girl. Join a good online dateing service". One you pay for! not a free site or chat room. You must have a web cam also".

There's alot of working women in office adminstrations that work on the computer all day. With a dream of finding a good honest man. They have spent good money to join a site with high hopes. Once you have made contact, then chat on MSN or Yahoo messenger with your web cams on. When you are comfortable with each other, exchange phone numbers, get a calling card if you live outside of Thailand. Let the relationship grow.

Don't try to speak Thai to her, only the words she has taught you. She will be suspicious that you are a "butterfly man" and reject you if you try to impress her with "her" language.

Don't brag about anything you have! She will know you are serious just by the fact you joined and payed for a dating site.

Be honest, especially about having children in the future.

No promises you can't keep.

Never suggest you want to go to Pattaya.

Once you meet for the first time. Have a room in a "Nice hotel". She will not stay with you if she is good.

Try to meet her friends. Go to a karioka bar.

Dress nice. Jeans or slacks, no shorts!!! No T shirts also. EVER! Sandles are ok, but no socks!

Good luck to anyone reading this post, who is looking for a good Thai woman. They do exist.

meandwi

P.S. I had to live with her family for a week for their approval before we could date.

Thx buddy- most people contribute nothing worthwhile in the forum. Whilst I thought us Farang are meant to help each other out with advice, most seem to critisize & try put u down. It a pity. Working against each other has brought the worldwide economy to its knees. Some cooperative advisors to the forum would be nice.

Anyway thx again Meandwi

Chok Dee

THAI Girls Girls Girls.....

We all think we know them all yet they are all different. Yet I find there are some rules u really should stick to in your pursuit of the potential 'The One'. This Posting will not be for the players, maybe more for those of us who are bored of being a player and choosing to settle ----what we look for?

In another forum a guy asked about the prospect of taking his thai gf home to Australia for 3 months. I feel this is an opportunity for all u wiser guys to give us youngster some of your wisdom. I know everyone is different yet I feel many of us wish to settle at some time with a 'NICE' girl.

Eg. What & how do we meet the trully top catches in Thailand?

Many of us know the following rules;

No bar girls

No girls from club\3am street sort of girl. Aka Spicy\Bosy\etc

Independant girl that may have a shop\stall\good job\good worker\independant\etc maybe a much better chance.

U already work witht the girl or she work for u.

Need to know thai language & respect the culture. She vice versa.

How did the girl learn English if she speaks it- bar\clubs\Ko San\Sukhumvit or in UK Company\Uni\etc?

How many Farang names on her mobile?

Tricks they may use to hide other men; aka multiple email addresses, multi mobile SIMS, even if they change their number it easy for them to get back once u leave- u need to register the number in your name (U would be surprised how many will not do this when u are actually inside AIS\DTAC office to do this).

They dream to work in your country- if u interested to take them home. They have no fantasy idea of your country and they been O\S before. Yet I find those young pretty things who been O\S several times can be into prostition over there or had multiple Farang suckers in the past. Like many of us have been at some stage including myself.

Should the list be different if u plan to take them home Vs if u chose to live in Thailand.

Lets see a nice long list & even where we can meet the best of the best would be nice. Have Fun

Chok Dee

^^^^^^

Big post and a good read for someone in a similar situation. I am 25 and plan to bring my thai girlfriend to Australia on a 3 month tourist visa end of Dec or early January. It is playing on my mind if she can adapt to life in Australia, because if she can't I know there is no future for us.

Look at it as an investment if u are genuinely interested to give her half a chance. You pay for her holiday for 3 months- maybe that is 10K in expenses to you. Depending on how much u spend... 3 months is not fair to judge whether she can adapt- look for how much she is willing to study more English? What does she want for the future- yes I know most will say 'To be happy'- dig deeper?

Remember many in Thai have been taught that the Farang man does everything? They live an easy life. If she expects this then it is your choice whether u take that responsibility. If u more like myself & expect them to work as hard as us & be apart of our family then she will be a rare thai girl & u are very lucky.

Check out her phone- how many Farang names in her book? Any English speaking callers? Where u meet? How long have u been with her n thailand?

To put this in perspective I have taken a very pretty thai girl to Aussie on 4 tourist visas in the last 15 months. Did she adapt? No. Did I give her enough time? Arguably yes. She has no other Farang calling her & totally loyal to me. Do I give her another Visa before committing- I think she had enough time at 30K + expense to myself. Their is nothing much more I can do for her unless she can pull her weight in Australia- on a tourist visa the Thai restaurants are afraid to hire her. So she saids... She had her run. I will visit her in thailand again but i never disillusion myself that she will stay loyal to me. I will not send her money- as the girls will make up a reason to cheat anyway as they become lonely. Think long- think hard- if u rolling in money----why not.... If not will the 10 K investment be worth it? That for u to judge- the pressure after 3 months passes will come on both of u. She will be unsure of her future upon return.

If in doubt- move on or stay on in thailand if u & learn thai\whatever. Even then how do u know she will adapt to Australia... How independant is she? Does she ask u for money? Does she dream of working in Oz? Many think we live a fantasy life- then are very disappointed after a couple of months. Sponsorship is a costly experience and thus the reason u see most men are over 50yo whom sponsor a girl to Oz. Get us younger guys tend to give them short holiday experiences & then that is it. I have know many guys around our age that regret the experience & waste of time\money.

They always their for u when u wish to return but more than likely she will remain ur holiday fling\s. As time passes expect far more Aussie\UK\USA\etc names to be on her phone. If she willing to change her number that is good but have the number changed to your name in the AIS\etc office, many will never do this. Also they can have tricks with two phones, multiple internet addresses but at the end of the day it is your choice. If u meet n a bar\club u should know the score- no chance. If in a course at Uni\library\she running a shop- better chance. My 2 cents again.

For Aussie Citizens (Although UK has much the same rules); Dependant family member can get special consideration on hunamitarian grounds immediately in certain circumstances. Your wife would need to sponsor, as the supporting family member. I would look into adoption at a later date is the matter is urgent. My mate was in the very same position and felt a sense of duty to the neice in law. Admire your conpassion, many would not take on the sort of responsibility as the costs to look after a child are very high.

Chok Dee

She cannot get a non sponsored work visa being 125 pts & may just squeeze the 100pts as a Thai cook. Yet needs to prove 3 years from 4 full time employment to get to 105pts. She only has a year plus thai cook certificate from a school the 4\5 star Chefs in Bkk get. In terms of a restaurant sponsor in Oz- I know 4 x farang\thai couples with retaurants together in Oz. Two of them told me they only sponsor thai family, mostly. I am reluctant to ask anymore and put my friends under any pressure. As there is a limit to how many sponsors they may have at any one time based on the size of their biz.

Yet I know another guy who has a small Machanic shop & he set his girl up in a Thai Massage shop in Oz under his business. I have been told that she must have had family in Oz already for her to have enough points to get the Work Visa. My girl does not have existing family.

I have heard that Rudd has upped the 'Holiday Working Visa's' for Thais? Appartently 10 fold, does anyone have any details on this?

Last year they only offered 100 of these Visas & they were snapped up in the first few days. As I asked about it after a month from release & they said 'sorry no more are being issued this year'. I said it only been 1 month; they replied it lucky if those Visas are available at the end of the first week. Yet still they only cut off any more application after they receive 10 times that amount to access to best 100 to give the Visas too.

So basically I am screwed unless I wish to keep getting her 3 month Visas 4ever & even the officers in the Embassy are asking me when I am going to sponsor a PR for her. I state I cannot as I have never seen her fully adapt or accept the culture and we have had brief break ups during the last 2 years. If it was a stable & happy 2 years maybe I would think differently. I am a lot more cautious after my first thai wife. As we only broke up because she did not like Australia...And I wish for the girl to adapt to my culture- not me adapting to their culture. I tried that with my x-wife in a final attempt to make it work, so we both did not accept the others culture. I took our child back to Oz where we are perfectly happy & my X has the house that cost me 20K to build in North Thai. So I got out of the marriage far better off than if I married an Aussie. 3 years we run our Guesthouse in Thai & we broke down in the first year of running this together. I did not like the thai culture & could not adapt, as she could not for the 2 years in Oz.

In my case, if they cannot adapt there is no point- u will fail. In the brief break ups with current girl I dated yet it difficult to give up on someone simply over politics. Yet I know the politics are here for a reason & wished I had of been as cautious first time around. But we all live & learn.

As much as I feel for my girl I guess I must accept I must give her up if she cannot get a Work sponsor. Even then she fails the Work experience test & it would need to be exaggerated. Maybe it a kiss goodbye & chok dee to her- it will be difficult to make this decision but i must n the best interest of my family I guess. I pity my girl far more than myself, as she does not get the chance. Yet she will get what she wants from another. If she was the first one I met I would have married & given her a PR within the year.

Hope others have better luck & to the other younger guys out their considering a thai- I advise you take your time & see if she educated enough to get into Australia with very little help. It great if the girl does not need to be so dependant on you- bring her on a tourist Visa then Work\Study. If she on a Work\Study & u not the sponsor & all is good. You know u on to a good catch. Otherwise the pressure of their dependancy on you will drive u crazy and put a lot of pressure on your relationship. To the older guys I say you know the score when u purchase a girl over 20 years ur junior. I do see the arrangement as help for help and u should not be disillusioned by this. Yet us younger guys must understand- whether we young\old good looking or not to many who speak english in Bkk they will be the harder girls to please. As some have grown up in a family that educates them to manipulate to get a much as possible, yet I see all girls in this fashion. Only in Thai u do not look for the signs of stability as much as you do in a farang to farang relationship, it harder to judge. Just because we are younger than many of the guys with the young girls in Thai means nothing. Take ur time & select wisely. Some want to play, some want to play & have a GIT money(Generally older man who pays monthly amount to spend time with them) and then the very few who maybe ur match. My 2 cents.

TROLL ?

Troll----What that is- player or barfly or wha t? Nice advice to simple Qs mate...

Anyway it is a real life Q, that I am sure many would like to know;

What are our options in taking our gf back to Australia?

Why sponsor on PR if culture\me\life in Aussie not right for the girl?

Must we continuously organize a 3 month visa until we sure she be happy, which will take years to be sure? What she do in the meantime whilst she on holiday Visa?

Surely some option exists to give us half a chance in Australia without committing 100% from start?

Troll that... It sounds nasty but I feel the above are valid.

Regards

Jayinoz

I have considered this Visa for my thai gf. I have have several thai gf over the last few years & have always taken them back to Oz on a 3 or once when lucky a 6 month tourist visa. I guess I am sick & tired of them not being able to do anything in Oz- work\study\etc. So as I work- all they can do is housework & cook. Being boring for them. I wish I could get an ETA Visa that we can with many nations of the world for 12 month periods.

Problem with pre-marry Visa is whilst they can work\study\use medical services\etc you MUST marry them. This no good for me- it like the Aussie Government push you into a permanent relationship even if u not really want right now.

I already sponsored a girl from Thailand when I was 20yo on defacto (Big Mistake), as she was miserable in Australia in Winter & she could not adapt to the culture and\or me. I would love to have 2-3 years with a thai girl in Aussie to see if she can adapt to the culture & my family. Otherwise I would never take the chance again & be pushed into marriage.

I am sick of tourist visa's & not wish to sponsor another on a permanent visa until I am sure 100% that Australia & me is right for her. As I can only sponsor 1 more girl in my life from anywhere in the world & still I am only 28yo. I do not want to use up my final sponsorship at this time.

I am very close to current gf of 2 years yet I will never give a PR until we together at least 5 years & happy & I the one for her & vice versa. I think would she offer her last sponsorship to me & the answer is 'no', so why is their no other option. U cannot help who u fall n love with 100%. Any advice by the very experienced would be greatly appreciatated.

Regards

jayinoz

I have considered this Visa for my thai gf. I have have several thai gf over the last few years & have always taken them back to Oz on a 3 or once when lucky a 6 month tourist visa. I guess I am sick & tired of them not being able to do anything in Oz- work\study\etc. So as I work- all they can do is housework & cook. Being boring for them. I wish I could get an ETA Visa that we can with many nations of the world for 12 month periods.

Problem with pre-marry Visa is whilst they can work\study\use medical services\etc you MUST marry them. This no good for me- it like the Aussie Government push you into a permanent relationship even if u not really want right now.

I already sponsored a girl from Thailand when I was 20yo on defacto (Big Mistake), as she was miserable in Australia in Winter & she could not adapt to the culture and\or me. I would love to have 2-3 years with a thai girl in Aussie to see if she can adapt to the culture & my family. Otherwise I would never take the chance again & be pushed into marriage.

I am sick of tourist visa's & not wish to sponsor another on a permanent visa until I am sure 100% that Australia & me is right for her. As I can only sponsor 1 more girl in my life from anywhere in the world & still I am only 28yo. I do not want to use up my final sponsorship at this time.

I am very close to current gf of 2 years yet I will never give a PR until we together at least 5 years & happy & I the one for her & vice versa. I think would she offer her last sponsorship to me & the answer is 'no', so why is their no other option. U cannot help who u fall n love with 100%. Any advice by the very experienced would be greatly appreciatated.

Regards

jayinoz