1 hour ago, SheungWan said:

I must go out and buy a basket.

Unbelievable, sterling hits a 30 year low as a result of Brexit which causes import prices to rise and therefore inflation. Then the BoE announces that they are considering an interest rate rise to combat this inflation  which cause sterling to rise and in Brexit land its back with heads in the sand.

16 minutes ago, rockingrobin said:

you need to expand on this

As an example are you saying that a driving licence doesnt control who is entitled to drive a vehicle

This is one of the most bizarre argument I have ever had, the UK like all members of the EU has to apply for an export licence for conventional arms but somehow this does not imply control.

You will probably get the answer a driving licence is not an export licence.

3 minutes ago, aright said:

No a driving, dog, or TV  licence is not an export licence

The French sold Mistral ships to Russia amidst  objections from the other EU partners. The ships however were never delivered not because of EU objections but because of what Russia did in the Crimea. The export licence in part is needed for transparency. 

It doesn't matter how many times you twist and turn if you have to apply for a licence that implies control even a dog licence.

2 minutes ago, aright said:

Please give me the evidence that says "the Germans know a lot more about manufacturing than does Dyson"

What is the German model?

I didn't think I would have to explain the obvious.

https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/germany/2011-06-16/secrets-germanys-success just what is available is enough.You do know they are the World's second largest exporter.

As a share of its economy, Germany’s manufacturing sector is twice the size of Britain’s – 23% of national GDP, compared with 11%, according to the World Bank. Unlike Britain, it runs a large surplus on trade in goods.

3 minutes ago, aright said:

Simples. An export licence keeps tabs on what's going on it doesn't control it. 

Keeping tabs what a joke, even keeping tabs implies control. We give out dog licences and TV licences which don't control any dogs or TVs but they keep tabs on them.

3 minutes ago, aright said:

What? Are you saying James Dyson who employs about 9000 people world wide  and manufactures a variety of products which  he sells globally knows nothing about manufacturing. It beggars belief.

As for his opinions on the Euro and Europe, I wouldn't hold that against him and certainly they don't have anything to do with or detract from his knowledge of manufacturing. Why do you think he was Knighted? 

I don't think he knows nothing but obviously the Germans know a lot more about manufacturing than does Dyson and if we were going to follow any model I think theirs has been a lot more successful that anything Dyson has done or is proposing.

2 minutes ago, aright said:

I stand by what I said  the important word is assessing. Assessing does not imply control

It doesn't say eight common criteria for controlling

It says licensing and licensing implies some form of control. In order to get an export licence they need to meet eight common criteria. That seems perfectly straightforward if there were no controls why would you need an export licence?

Just now, aright said:

I don't think the Germans would know any more about manufacturing than the engineers at Rolls Royce Bristol, the wing experts at Broughton or James Dyson. Why do you want to disrespect a man who has created by his own hands a net worth of £8billion and provides employment for almost 5000 people in the UK. A man who also puts back into the UK

 

'Dyson degree'

Sir James' comments came as 33 undergraduates began studying at the Dyson Institute of Engineering and Technology.

The student engineers have begun a four-year degree, during which they will be mentored by Dyson's scientists and engineers who will teach alongside academics from Warwick University.

Universities Minister Jo Johnson challenged Sir James 18 months ago to help train engineers in the UK.

Sir James said: "It is a great opportunity, and I think a great step forward in the way that higher education is provided.

"We're paying these people, they're getting about 40 days a year more academic time than you'd get at university, plus the fact that they're working with some of the best scientists and engineers in the world."

I see you have avoided the real issue. You were implying that Dyson was some sort of authority on manufacturing well it appears the Germans have maintained a very highly successful manufacturing industry so they really do know something about these things.

Dyson went from being an avid supporter of Europe and the Euro as a result of a lost legal challenge. 

Just now, Srikcir said:

Isn't that for EU Member States?

http://www.europarl.europa.eu/RegData/etudes/IDAN/2017/578047/EXPO_IDA(2017)578047_EN.pdf

How would that apply to a nonMember state which UK will become?

 

I agree my OP should have said pre Brexit which aright knew but he implied there were no control and it appears the EU does have a licensing system which implies some form of control over conventional arms sales. 

1 minute ago, aright said:

I thought Bryson was an American author.

1 minute ago, aright said:

I thought Bryson was an American author.

Don't address the subject just pick up on a simple mistake

Just now, aright said:

Make up your mind. You said post brexit

Sorry I should have said pre Brexit but of course you knew that

1 minute ago, aright said:

A policy of enhancement is not control. Where does it say in that document that when we leave the EU they will still control who we sell to.

it appears they issue licences which implies some form of control

The eight common criteria for assessing arms export licences .....

13 minutes ago, aright said:

Why not throw in some reality as well. The EU has no control over who we sell arms to now or post Brexit.

It appears they do post Brexit.

https://epthinktank.eu/2015/12/14/eu-rules-on-control-of-arms-exports/

44 minutes ago, aright said:

You need to read more and leave the first Industrial Revolution behind you. We are in phase 5 or is it 6 now.

Nobody produces complete aircraft anymore. It's all about modular systems.

Outsourcing

Many components are not built by Boeing but are outsourced to other manufacturers both in the US and increasingly around the world. This may be either for cost savings in production, specialist development or as an incentive for that country to buy other Boeing products. Here is a list of some of the outsourced components:

• Fuselage, engine nacelles and pylons - Spirit AeroSystems (formerly Boeing), Wichita.
• Slats and flaps - Spirit AeroSystems (formerly Boeing), Tulsa.
• Doors - Vought, Stuart, FL.
• Spoilers - Goodrich, Charlotte, NC.
• Vertical fin - Xi'an Aircraft Industry, China.
• Horizontal stabiliser - Korea Aerospace Industries.
• Ailerons - Asian Composites Manufacturing, Malaysia.
• Rudder - Bombardier, Belfast and AVIC subsidiary Chengfei Commercial Aircraft (CCAC), China
• Tail section (aluminium extrusions for) - Alcoa / Shanghai Aircraft Manufacturing, China.
• Main landing gear doors - Aerospace Industrial Development Corp, Taiwan.
• Inboard Flap - Mitsubishi, Japan.
• Elevator - Fuji, Japan.
• Winglets - Kawasaki, Japan.
• Fwd entry door & Overwing exits - Chengdu Aircraft, China.
• Wing-to-body fairing panels and tail cone - BHA Aero Composite Parts Co. Ltd, China.

As for nuclear reactors

http://www.cityam.com/256579/rolls-royce-launches-partnership-engineering-giants-amec

 

As for Dyson He claims that assembly as opposed to manufacturing  isn't worth a candle but what does he know? He claims in todays world intellectual property is more important than manufacturing. How much is his business worth? Do you think by assembling in Asia thus denying Brits jobs he is immoral?  As a shareholder myself of manufacturing companies I expect the owner or CEO  of those companies to have an obligation, to me, to maximise profits and share value and if that involves manufacturing off shore get it on. It's called Capitalism and I am the one risking my capital.  You can of course change this at the next election by voting for Corbyn who will nationalise everything and bring it all in house,  but be assured you will get a tractor report every week.

 

I was in Edinburgh last month for the Festival. Had dinner on 2 nights in Leith...great place.

Poundland is a chain of stores (Indian owned I think) where everything costs a £1. I doubt you would find them north of the border they are far too expensive for Scotland.      

Perhaps he should have a word with the Germans but hell what do they know about manufacturing.

An interesting article about Dyson who was an avid supporter of joining the Euro and then his nose got put of of joint when he lost a legal challenge in Europe along with other similar switches in allegiance,

https://www.ft.com/content/d8e3eb44-3244-11e6-bda0-04585c31b153

39 minutes ago, sandyf said:

Who knows how Airbus will react when they have to restate what parts of the aircraft are sourced outside the EU.

 

Bombardier is a Canadian company and the Belfast operation is under threat from an action by Boeing. That factory used to be British and built one of the best heavy lift aircraft, in 1971 I saw the whole production line take to the sky at the same time.

UK aerospace industry fears loss of leading edge after Brexit

https://www.ft.com/content/77e6e934-c571-11e6-8f29-9445cac8966f

10 hours ago, Khun Han said:

Tony Benn and Enoch Powell were routinely presented as the pantomime villains of politics in the 1970s. Everything they said was distorted and ridiculed by the msm. The idea that their views on the EEC were even taken seriously by the masses is just another gross misrepresentation by the forum's remainers.

So first nobody was told about it,  and when that is shown to be patently false you claim that the everything they said was distorted and ridiculed and never taken seriously by the masses or the MSM but apparently given wide reportage at the time. Have you now taken on the role as spokesman for the masses? 

2 minutes ago, dick dasterdly said:

Happy to hear that you think Mandleson was/is hated by the electorate without cause - much like his boss .

 

Agree about Boris.

Re Mandelson whenever I hear people talk how corrupt he was I would like to hear the reasons. He resigned twice on very minor matters and the second time in fact he was cleared. I suspect most of the hatred directed at Mandelson was like Blair he helped Labour win three elections and that the economy while Blair was PM did rather well. On the other hand Liam Fox who is now back in government had to be dragged kicking and screaming from the Defence Ministry when there were calls for his resignation on far more serious charges.

7 minutes ago, Grouse said:

Remember Carrington? Tories used to be honourable people...(except Tebbit)

Even the most oft vilified minister of the Labour government Mandelson resigned twice and never had to be pushed, the first for a very trivial offence and the second time he was cleared of any wrongdoing.

May will need to be dragged out of Downing Street, she is just like Boris no principles just ambition. Then its back to the 18th century for their man of the moment.

5 minutes ago, dick dasterdly said:

 

 

Talk about deliberately ignoring the point of a post!

 

There was a referendum, and the PM said the government would abide by the result for the reasons outlined in my post - although I should have included the tory party also tearing itself apart at the time.

I don't know how many times this has to be stated no government can bind a future government to any course of action. Had Cameron stayed in power what he said could have been carried out, he is no longer PM and his government fell with him. We are even in a new parliament and this PM went to the country and asked for a mandate for hard Brexit and guess what happened.

17 minutes ago, dick dasterdly said:

 

Which brings us back to asking why on earth they came up with some manifesto policies sure to alienate so many voters?

FORWARD TOGETHER: THE CONSERVATIVE MANIFESTO

The next five years are the most challenging that Britain has faced in my lifetime.

Brexit will define us: our place in the world, our economic security and our future prosperity.

So now more than ever, Britain needs a strong and stable government to get the best Brexit deal for our country and its people.

Now more than ever, Britain needs strong and stable leadership to make the most of the opportunities Brexit brings for hardworking families.

Now more than ever, Britain needs a clear plan.

This manifesto, Forward, Together: Our Plan for a Stronger Britain and a Prosperous Future will meet the great challenges of our time, beyond Brexit.

With this plan and with a strong hand through Brexit, we will build a stronger, fairer, more prosperous Britain, for all of us.

Five mentions of Brexit on the opening page. I think its quite clear from the Conservative Manifesto that the  election was called because of Brexit and was about Brexit.

6 minutes ago, dick dasterdly said:

Which is one of the reasons why there was never a referendum on the death penalty.

 

But the govt. thought they could win a referendum on stay/leave the EU, and with the rise of UKIP/increasing hostility about the lack of a referendum (even though I think it was a manifesto promise previously?) - they decided to hold a referendum and abide by the result.

Which is the reason as Margaret Thatcher said why we do not have referendums and why she was opposed to them. We elect members of parliament to use their judgement, its what they get paid for not to abrogate their responsibilities. 

The rise of UKIP, you mean the PM was panicked by a party that failed to get a single MP elected and was wiped out at the last election. Then Farage told us that there was no need for him to stand as May had adopted all UKIP's policies and she ended up getting stuffed.

11 minutes ago, Khun Han said:

 

Actually, two of them were sacked.

But not the main culprit. It used to go something like the buck stops here.

6 minutes ago, Orac said:

 

They fouled up the election through a combination of poor planning, poor execution and ignoring the advice of their most senior election strategist. Since the same people responsible for making these decisions are still in place it is hardly an inspiring situation given the importance of getting a good deal with the EU.


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I see Brexiters are already making their excuses for the 2017 election campaign. The central message of the 2017 election campaign and the reason the PM stated that she had to go to the country was to obtain a big majority to give her the authority to negotiate Brexit. She failed miserably and no amount of excuses from Brexiters about social and welfare policies can negate that fact.

2 hours ago, nanglong218 said:

Petrivie, your quote is out of context. Bert, if you are bored, go get a beer, a girl, just go away

It would help if you could include the post to which you are referring.

2 hours ago, nanglong218 said:

Petrivie, again I agree, it's not out of context. I've read the whole thing now.  But as a young man at the time, Parliament not televised, the country falling apart, the glowing uplands of Europe beckoned, join us they said, De Gaulle is dead, you will enrich your nation, stabilise it.   What alternative was there,   more of the same chaos.   Don't quote lines from a page to me, you had to be there and feel the shame of a great nation brought low.

I was there, I remember it well.