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1 hour ago, stander said:
The question of whether the burkini should be banned or not lies low down my list of concerns. I don't care if it's "hate speech" I don't care if sounds racist - we must destroy the Leftist/Muslim/immigrant alliance's hold on our nation’s political narrative. It is unsustainable
Of course its unsustainable, it doesn't exist.
It's like almost ever claim you ever make here on TVF, its never backed up with facts and when you are asked to present a basis for the statement you ignore the request.
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30 minutes ago, SoiBiker said:
If it's not working out for whatever reason, better to leave and be happier elsewhere than to stay here and moan about it.
Which is what the OP is doing... or did I miss something?
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6 minutes ago, stander said:
Prominent Muslims have suddenly become feminists after the Burkini ban. Never mind Female Genital Mutilation , honor killings, forced marriage and Sharia.
I do have some sympathy for you stander, putting aside your inability to respond to direct questions regarding statements you make, I feel you deserve some sympathy for having been let down by the French in your expectation that they would fight a war for you.
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37 minutes ago, SoiBiker said:
A balance of good and bad would be nice. Sadly, the relentless negativity tends to drown out anything else.
I have to agree with you on this. The OP has been treated to a barrage of negativity and personal abuse for simply stating that he's leaving Thailand for his own personal reasons.
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4 minutes ago, stander said:
The fact that more Muslims protest against a French burkini ban, than against terrorism, says a lot about them.
Since you have stated that more "Muslims protest against a French burkini ban, than against terrorism" you will of course be able to demonstrate the validity of your claim with some verifiable data?
Over to you, you made the statement - provide the data that demonstrates it to be true.
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1 minute ago, stander said:
Tolerance for the intolerant in France has ran it's course. People are ready to take back their Secular, Non-Islamic lives.
The Council of State disagree with you.
Since they have overruled the ban on the Burqini at the beach in Nice do you now support the rule of law and the right of women to wear a Burqini to the beach at Nice?
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6 minutes ago, stander said:
No towel. No bag. No belongings. Police near-by Photographer ready ..... and cue global lefty outrage.
I went to the beach this morning - I didn't take a bag, a towel or any belongings with me.
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Nice to see the police have been relieved of their duty of harassing people relaxing on the beach.
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19 minutes ago, stander said:
Shame the French court has overruled the burkini ban (for now) with elections soon the new government will ban it
Explain to me stander, where is the shame in the Conseiller d'État upholding the law?
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5 hours ago, SgtRock said:
Guesthouse.
Your link
Headline for your link
I will ask you again what this article has got to do with the Topic ?
What your article highlights, very clearly is.
1. There is widespread corruption in the EU at Government Level
2. There is a possibility of a trade war looming between the US and the EU.
IMO, both these points are valid reasons for getting out of the EU. Not as you seem to think, they are reasons to stay in the EU.
EU's problem, not the UK's. The UK is not facing a trade war with the US, the EU is. Now from where I am sitting looking in. I do not want to be part of the EU that is involved in a trade war with the US, I want to be out of the EU picking up the benefits of that US - EU trade war.
This article highlights a US - EU problem. Or what are we really saying ? The EU is pissing their pants at the thought of having to stand up to the US without the UK to hold their hand and wipe their collective @sses.
But to take it back to topic.
Today, as we speak, the brexit supporters have gained nothing. Brexit has not happened so it will be pretty difficult to actually gain anything until Brexit occurs.
What has happened is the 3 EU mouthpieces that were screaming from the rooftops about how the UK was going to pay dearly and that there would be no negotiations before A50 was triggered have been shown up for the fools that they are.
1. Negotiations are being conducted on a daily basis, no A50 triggered yet.
2. There will be no hard exit, it is not in anyones interest and Merkel, the real power in the EU has already said this is what will happen.
So although off topic, it was a brilliant article for highlighting some of the reason why a Brexit is the right decision.
Erm.... The UK is still a member or the EU. Any dispute between the US and the EU remains a dispute that directly impacts the UK.
Come back again with your arguments that the UK is not a member of the EU.
Meanwhile the US government is supporting tax evasion by US companies in the EU (which includes the UK) and is threatening retaliation against the EU (which includes the UK), if the EU (which includes the UK) take action to ensure that US corporations doing business in the EU (which includes the UK) pay taxes on their profits in the EU (which includes the UK).
The EU (which includes the UK) has identified illegal tax dealings by some member states and is now ruling on the taxes due by a number of US multinationals that run into tens of billions of dollars owed to nation states across the EU (which includes the UK).
The UK can face the threats from the US alone, or face these threats from the US as a member of the EU (which includes the UK). Tens of billion's of dollars of unpaid taxes are owed and the US government is standing behind US corporations that have acted illegally.
It is an almost perfect example of why the UK is in a stronger bargaining via the EU (which includes the UK) than if the UK faces the might of the US government and its willingness to support illegal behaviour of its own corporations.
"So what did the Brexit supporters gain?"
Brexit, if it actually happens, will deliver the UK into a very weak bargaining position with the US.
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6 hours ago, Khun Han said:
^ If the New Statesman article you referenced was factual, rather than just a bizarre second-guessing opinion piece, it might have been worth your effort in linking to it.
Since when have facts ever played a part in the Brexit campaign?
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Welcome to the beach ladies, wear a bikini or a burqini or your birthday suit as you wish. (Well certainly at the beach at Nice).
You can come to the beach safe in the knowledge that those who have been ranting about defending the freedoms and rights of French people before the Conseiller d'État suspended the band on Burqinis, will now stand by you are defend you against anyone harassing you for exercising the rights you have under French law.
Please don't be afraid of these people, the eagerness has always been to uphold rights under the law and decry people who break the law, they are not only interested in upholding the law when the law supports their own personal point of view.
The next time someone tells you to 'go back to where you belong', 'go live in a Muslim company' or demands you remove your Burquini, there are dozens of members of TVF who will be eager and willing to support your liberty and rights to wear your Burqini as underscored by the Conseiller d'État.
The guardians of freedom and liberty are with you.
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2 minutes ago, SoiBiker said:
I love it here, and I'm very happy with my choice to live here. But I still reserve my right to bemoan the fact that the most prominent online forum for those of us who live here is dominated by whiny miserable types who moved here for all the wrong reasons and then either lack the nous to get out, or do so but then spend years coming back to the forum and running the place down in some weird attempt to justify their decision.
Thailand is an awesome place to be, and this forum ought to be a celebration of that fact. Sadly, most of the time its anything but.
Putting aside your conclusions of the how/why these 'whiney miserable types' moved to Thailand and whether or not your assertion that they lack 'nous' as purely supposition on your own part, your claim that these people 'dominate' this forum doesn't stand scrutiny.
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On 24 August 2016 at 5:49 AM, i claudius said:
If its against the law dont do it ,simple
The Conseil d'État has ruled the Mayor of Nice did not have the right to enact the ban of the Burqini on the basis of the situation within Nice.
Are you now going to step up and defend the rights of women to wear a Burqini or are you only interested in what's legal when its banning others from choices you don't yourself agree with?
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13 hours ago, Berkshire said:
It's not a rule, but more like common sense. Why would someone who's not even in Thailand anymore, who claims to hate Thailand and wants nothing more to do with Thailand, yet, continues to post relentlessly on Thai web forums? Sort of goes to motive and intent...don't you think?
I can think of lots of reason why people who are not in Thailand might wish to continue posting on Thabased web forums. As many reasons as anyone might have who has lived in Thailand for a long time, intends to live/retire to Thailand, lives in Thailand part time, lives in Thailand most of the time but elsewhere part time, has a wife/girlfriend/family in Thailand - the permutations are near limitless.
What I can't recall are these individuals you frequently refer to in your claims of 'hating Thailand', or variations along the theme of 'Thai haters/bashers'.
We've discussed the point very many times Berkshire.
Its all part of human nature.
When people are genuinely happy with the choices they have made, nobody else's opinions on those choices matter a jot. Though when people make a poor choice, or know on some level that the choice they made is not as good as they are telling themselves - then they do get upset when others criticise their choice.
Be happy with the choices you have made and don't let the views of others on your choice spoil your day.
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12 hours ago, SgtRock said:
Location:Somewhere very nice.
Is your somewhere very nice an Asylum somewhere ?
This article is about a spat between the US and the EU, not about the UK or Brexit, therefore nothing to do with the topic or OP.
It does, however, highlight very nicely a major reason why the UK should leave the corrupt Union AKA the EU
Or do you just need someone to blame for this paragraph, should it become reality ?
All at the link you provided.
One of the benefits of the 'Fair Usage' rules here on TVF is, that if followed, they encourage members to read the whole of the source that has been linked to, rather than rely on selective quotations.
Reading the whole of the source that I linked it is clear that the EU has ruled that member states within the EU have acted illegally in assisting US corporations to avoid taxation. The US government on the other hand has abandoned its usual demands that nations do not give subsides to business and has also abandoned its pursuit of corporations who avoid taxes, provided that the nations are not the US and the tax avoidance isn't sending tax free cash to US corporates.
The US government's reaction to the EU acting to ensure taxes are paid in the EU is to threaten retaliation. Which is precisely why this is a Brexit issue.
The EU is the single biggest integrated market in the world, the UK (if removed from the EU) has nowhere near the bargaining power of the EU when faced with threats from the US.
The choice is stark - allow US corporations to conduct business without paying tax or face retaliation from the US government.
The UK can do that alone or can remain in the EU and face up to the US government (and the US government's blatant support of US corporations) as a member of the EU.
Once again we see who the real winners from Brexit would be - The Corporate world.
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2 minutes ago, Zendo said:
Well.. not every where it seems :
Corsica : Mayor Sisco maintains its anti- Burkini arrested
Now what was it some folk were saying earlier about actions being a deliberate provocation?
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9 minutes ago, Steely Dan said:
The worst aspect of a climbdown now is that it will encourage civil disobedience the next time political Islam decides to flex its muscles.
The ruling of the Conseil d'État is not a 'Climbdown' - it has suspended the ruling of the Mayor of Nice on the basis that he had no right to suspend individual liberties in this case.
It is not a climb down, it is a step up defending the rights of individuals against the actions of a Mayor who made a decision which, on the basis of the situation on the beach, he had no right to make.
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The Conseil d'État has given its ruling.
Can we now look forward to the defenders of people's rights and liberties on this board to speak up demanding that women are allowed to wear the Burkini if they wish to and should be allowed to so without facing racial, islamophobic, insults or demands to 'go home/go live in a Muslim country' if they do wear a Burkini?
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France's highest administrative court, the 'Conseil d'État' has ruled on the ban put in place by the Mayor of Nice and has suspend the ban.
QuoteThe state council ruled that the mayor did not have the right to issue a burkini ban — stating that local authorities could only restrict individual liberties if there was a “proven risk” to public order. It believed that proven risk had not been demonstrated.
Welcome back to the beach ladies, whatever your faith, or lack there of.
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3 minutes ago, MissAndry said:
I never post on this site when I'm out of Thailand, seems a bit sad and pointless. But that's just me.
I seldom post when I'm in Thailand.
I'm usually far to busy enjoying being in Thailand to waist time posting.
I'm currently in the departure lounge at Dubai imagining the 'sad and pointlessness' of life in Thailand if one can forgoe the pleasures of being there to spend all day telling others what opinions are acceptable.... Or of course that other staple 'moaning about migrants to your own country'.
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8 hours ago, SoiBiker said:
I'll hazard one.
If you left long ago, why keep posting here?
Also, why did you use the word 'here' to describe a place you're not in?
I'm not in Thailand. Can I please have your permission to post?
I'm going to fly to another country on Sunday, also not Thailand, do I need to ask your permission to post from there?
Do I need to ask permission from all members to post when I'm not in Thailand?
Is there a rule that says only people in Thailand are allowed to post?
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23 minutes ago, jaidam said:
Is it naive to hope that the" intelligence agencies" are keeping close tabs on all attendees to this rally - and once a more representative government(logical as opposed to PC) comes to power these traitors will be expelled to the ME country of their choice?
So peaceful protest makes one a traitor these days.
I take it you believe this non PC government you speak of will aact in the best intrests of liberty, freedom of speach, freedom of association, innocence until found guilty in a court of law and of course freedom to protest.
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Going back to the OP's question.
It would seem the right to have the UK pealed off by the US and then shafted by US multinationals:
Cui Bono?
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It's not all bad news.
I can see very many possitives; Thai people have become confident in their own abilities, less deferential (certainly less deferential to westerners who can no longer expect deference). Thai people questioning authority, especially some of the very vociferous online debates.
As for all these claims of 'Westernisation' - don't let your own self loathing give Thai people an easy excuse. The 'westernisation' in Thailand is entirely home grown. Greed, the easy Bhat and the dream of owimporting a franchise. They fid all this to themselves.
Burkini ban suspended by top French court
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