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1 hour ago, Confuscious said:

 

While I agree with you that killing the terrorist who was yielding a machete was the best decision of the 3rd police, this 3rd police officer will go trough a lot of pressure in the next days/weeks.

The anti-racist movement will villify this police officer trough all possible instances and claim that the killing of the attacker was not necessary.
The Moslims have more rights than the Belgian people and the Islamic movements are more powerful than the Belgians.
Only by accusing the policeman for being a racist, can guarantee him/her to be locked up for several years and lose his/her job with a negative comment.

I hope the 2 officers will make a speedy recovery and the officer that killed the attacker will have a peaceful week to come.

I regard myself firmly in the 'anti-racism camp', far from criticising tge officer who shot the terrorist I recognise and aprove of his/her swift and decisive action to save innocent lives.

The rest of what tou have to say is not worthy of any serious response.

31 minutes ago, yogi100 said:

 

That's way out of line.

 

We wish we were not even discussing these matters but some of us have to live with it and have opinions that do not fit in with the pink and fluffy agenda that is firmly lodged in liberal minds.

 

 

It's not too far adrift, you only yesterday jumped on the tragedy of the fire at a birthday party in France, sprinkling a few 'ifs' into your eagerness to believe the fire an Islamist attack and when the police announce they believe the cause to be a fire caused by candles, sprinkling more of 'the truth will come out eventually'.
 

14 minutes ago, boomerangutang said:

It's good they shot and killed the buttplug.  If he had survived, he would have required court dates, lawyers, prison facilities/staffers, and a bunch of other taxpayer-paid services.   Kill him.  Pow.  He's gone.  He won't get any doe-eyed virgins.   He'll get worms crawling through his corpse.

 

 

 

It's good that they shot him to prevent him seriously injuring anymore people or indeed killing anyone, which was his clear intent.

So yes a very good response from the officer that shot him.

But the rest of your reasoning is flawed. While killing him has put a stop to him injuring and killing, it also complicates the investigations that may prevent other attacks.

He's dead, the officer did the right thing killing him to stop him - Enough said.

11 minutes ago, i claudius said:

 

Why was he an immegrant or from an immegrant family ? if not what has this to do with anything?

It depends how far back in his family history you go.

But I suggest you look at the attacker - suffering mental illness, hanging around with hate mongers, his house decked out with the the iconography of the extreme right wing, his auctions were driven by hatred.

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The attacker was shot by a third officer and he subsequently died of his wounds

That's a positive result.

16 minutes ago, ClutchClark said:

 

This is from your own ACPO quote and the Bold is from you as well. 

 

The ACPO guidelines also state that once an individual has been charged then the police can and will identify them to the media,usually providing name, age and occupation.

 

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Why is this so hard for you? He was arrested and charged minutes after the attack. His name was not released for nearly 24 hours after his arrest even though the ACPO guidelines you have provided clearly state the authorities had the right to provide that information.

You are quite correct, the ACPO guidelines state the police can and will identify a suspect to the media once the individual has been charged. 

Bulham was arrested at the scene on Wednesday evening, he was not charged until Friday morning. http://www.newswest9.com/story/32696618/uk-police-charge-19-year-old-with-london-stabbings

You are also correct that his name was not released until more than 24 hours after his arrest, but as you point out the clock starts ticking once he has been charged. 

The police have made numerous statements regarding their actions and investigation following his arrest, these all seem very reasonable steps to establishing charges to place in front of the magistrates courts in order to secure his detention pending further investigation and trial in (open) court. 

Lots of accusations above by members claiming the police unduly withheld Bulham's name, but no clear indication what they believe the police motives were.

Its obviously something of a point of discussion, I've given reasons I believe they may have chosen to withhold his name, so if you believe the police unduly withheld Bulham's name, what do you think the police's motives were?

3 minutes ago, ClutchClark said:

 

 

Yes, yes, ofcourse, releasing the name of this attacker would have been a huge risk to the investigation.

 

By not naming him, as you mention, any accomplices would have no idea if it was their mate that had just gone on a stabbing spree or some other bloke. Yeah, I can see your logic there--keep 'em guessing.  ;-)

 

Strange how it has never been a practice before now.

 

 

So are you going to the trial in open court or are you going to avoid it so that you can maintain your Conspiracy theories?

1 minute ago, yogi100 said:

 

You live/are located 'Somewhere very nice' according to your profile.

 

I live in London and my experiences have brought out the Islamaphobe in me just like it has with many Londoners. They know what we think of them and the feeling is mutual and obvious and is getting worse. I was due to use the bus and tube services on 7/7 were you?

It seems that the majority of Londoners have a different experience than you and are not Islamophobic, or if they are they managed to put it aside while electing the new mayor. 

I was in London on 7/7, but not using public transport. 

Thank you for your interest in my profile. 

5 minutes ago, ClutchClark said:

 

I resent your suggestion that our sympathy for any victims of violent assault is fake. 

That is a cheap shot.

 

As for "all the evidence", I am not confident that "all the evidence" has been released. There was most definitely a concerted effort by the authorities to release only minimal evidence for the first 24 hours in order to manipulate the readership by omitting the attackers name.

 

Because of that, I don't know if it can be taken for granted that all the evidence has now been released to the press.

 

when a Muslim goes on a killing frenzy and chooses to target white Europeans instead of ethnic muslims from his own community, then his religion would appear to play some part in his motivation. Whether you want to call it a "terrorist" attack or something else is your choice ofcourse.

Perhaps the authorities wished to gather more evidence before releasing any details of the attacker. This might be for very legitimate reasons; to keep any suspected accomplices guessing on how much information the police have, or not to play into the hands or hate mongers who are only too willing to claim the attack an act of terror just because the attacker is a Muslim. 

That the police take time to investigate before providing information to the general public seems entirely reasonable. 

The attacker has been charged and remanded in custody, he shall be tried in an open court of law.

You can attend the trial in the public gallery if you wish. 

9 hours ago, yogi100 said:

 

At least thirteen French youngsters have just been blown to pieces in a bar in Rouen this evening. If it's a terrorists attack will it have been committed by another 'Norwegian' with mental health issues.

 

Come on, be serious do you not think this has this has gone far enough. If it's another attack then surely this is war and something needs to be done.

Yogi, has given us a perfect example of how his Islamophobia lead him to jump to the wrong conclusions in his eagerness to lay the blame of any problem on Muslims. 

He couldn't wait for the results of the police investigation to be announced, he kicks off his ranting. 

He adds without a hint of irony - "Come on, be serious do you not think this has gone far enough".

What does 'think' have to do with hate driven rants I wonder?

Just now, yogi100 said:

 

Any jihadist worth his salt knows that he will be legally innocent until his guilt is proven and he'll not have to fear the summary justice that would be heading his way in less civilised countries.

 

Were a suicide bomber to know that his family may suffer for his actions he may think twice about pressing the button and keeping his appointment with the 72 virgins.

Ah collective punishment for families now - How close you are getting to that which you say you hate. 

Just now, yogi100 said:

 

It's best to ignore reports regarding Islamic terrorism in liberal outlets such as The Guardian. the BBC, The Daily Mail, The Daily Mirror and the Independent.

 

They've all referred to the mental health condition of the Russel Square knife man.

These 'Liberal Outlets" all referred to the 'Police Reports' that the attack was committed by a mentally ill man who is a Muslim and the "Police Reports" that state they find no evidence of the attack being motivated by terrorism. 

As CluctchClarl and RuamRudy and KiwiKen all point out, we need some evidence to back up claims, whichever side of the argument you are on.

18 minutes ago, yogi100 said:

 

Neither must it be overlooked that while the British military uniform has been banned in Britain, the wearing of the burqa and niqab which are symbols of Islam is permitted and fiercely defended by those same traitorous politicians. Not forgetting a London Mayor with proven Islamist links who would happily have us open our gates even wider and invite in even more of the enemy.

 

How many more 'Norwegians' are lurking in the shadows just waiting for the chance to make a name for themselves and become heroes in Islamic eyes for all eternity.

Wow!

14 minutes ago, Steely Dan said:

Every attack seems to follow the same pattern. There is a big delay in naming the attacker, which gives the authorities and social media sites time to erase info not supporting the narrative of mental illness.  The authorities know their stance is untenable in the long term but are no doubt counting on each event fading from view before the full details emerge.

 

https://heatst.com/world/exclusive-did-ill-suspect-of-somali-descent-in-uk-attack-study-terror/

 

 

 

One of his friends on the book review site was incidentally reading a book about explosives. None of this of course provides conclusive proof of intent, but to say the least eyebrows should be raised over the police as seeing this was probably a case of mental illness when a short Internet search provides a lot of circumstantial evidence to the contrary.

I hope I'm never judged on the basis of the books my friends read. 

I've a dear friend who spends a lot of time researching epidemics and another who researches antibiotic tolerance in what we refer to as 'superbugs'. 

35 minutes ago, Ulysses G. said:

 

 

The apologists and enablers of Islamic terrorism have a lot to answer for. They have delayed society from responding effectively, by minimizing or denying the problem completely. Luckily, the West seems to have finally woken up to their distortions and lies.

Once again, can you please point out an apologist post here on TVF, I'll gladly join you in condemnation of their support of fear and hatred. 

You've mentioned them a couple of times in the last page, you presumably have examples in mind. 

29 minutes ago, Ulysses G. said:

Murdering innocent people does that already - VERY effectively. Unfortunately, apologists for radical Islam like to pretend otherwise. Exposing evil is always a good thing.

Point me at some of these apologists' posts and I'll gladly argue against the intolerance and hatred they are defending (you'll recognise my arguments I'm sure). 

If however you're simply moving from fear and hatred mongering to the accusation of 'you are with us or against us' so often used by those who wish to stir division in society, I've a few answers for that too.

Just now, Ulysses G. said:

Just calling a spade a spade.

And I'm calling a fear and hate monger a fear and hate monger, you are a mouth piece for the fear and hatred that terrorist clearly state they wish to instil in our society. 

17 minutes ago, Ulysses G. said:

 

Like terrorism is not doing that already. Much better to stick your head in the sand and ignore reality. 

Or better still, challenge the work you yourself are putting a lot of effort into in your attempts to bolster misunderstanding, fear and hatred. 

20 minutes ago, Steely Dan said:

The trouble with fibbing is that lies told tend to unravel in time. Apparently a profile on a book rating website  in Bulen's name showed an interest in Islamic theology listing a biography of the prophet Mohammad and a book of selected verses from the Hadiths and Koran as recent reads.

 

 

My recent reads include; Flammable gas cloud ignitions, blast radius v fatality, radiated heat burns v distance from fire, spare parts for 1980s Campagnolo gears and recipes for scones. 

Don't miss this How to become Gluten Intolerant (And why its so important to be Gluten Intolerant)

9 minutes ago, whatproblem said:

What do you expect will a Muslum mayor ,we know where his allegiance is

Well you seem too anyway. 

16 minutes ago, Credo said:

I tend to agree with you.    I worked in an agency that was on the periphery of medical emergency services and had the occasion to accompany them to accidents. It is stunning how people will react.   I saw people that were barely conscious and in critical condition who didn't want to go to the hospital because their purse was in the car or they had lost a shoe.

In this case, the people probably weren't stunned or dazed.   

A very simple example of how people behave is crossing the road at a pedestrian crossing, it only takes one or two people to start crossing on a red light for others to follow. You can see the look on their faces as they struggle with the rational road safety training, the fact the light is red and the urge to follow the crowd across the road. We've all at sometime done this. We are not all stupid. 

Make your own mind up

The only reason we know what happened is because someone made a video (which will undoubtedly play a part in the investigation and be taken up by air accident investigators).

There's a lot of comments here, and elsewhere, that the people who stopped to collect their bags are idiots, the truth is when we examine accidents and behaviour during accidents we often find people behaving in ways that, on the face of it seem absolutely 'stupid'.

Further investigation reveals not so much stupidity and a lot more factors relating to other 'human factors', and that intelligence has little to do with these responses. 

The air industry, more than any other, has spent decades investigating accidents, identifying root causes, and importantly investigating the human factors in accidents, the result is flying (which is inherently dangerous) is now one of the safest ways to travel. 

These improvements have been made by stepping past suggestions of stupidity or that race or national culture are the primary factors. I'll leave it to the usual suspects to continue that line of argument.