FlorC

Regarding the notification of one's address to the local police station I forgot to mention this part of the Immigration Act:

Section 37(5)

...

The provision of ( 3 ) and ( 4 ) shall not apply to any cases under Section 34 by any conditions as prescribed by the Director General.

...

I have never seen the "conditions as prescribed by the Director General", which would be the Director General of the Police Department, referred to in the above quote. If anybody should be adventures enough to ask for and obtain it from the immigration office I should be grateful for a copy, even if only in Thai. It is probably an Order of the Royal Thai Police Bureau (คำสั่งสำนักงานตำรวจแห่งชาติ), perhaps -- but not necessarily -- published in the Royal Gazette, and in its preamble it would make reference to Section 35 of the Immigration Act B.E. 2522

I could imagine that this Police Order says that the notification to the police station is not necessary for foreigners whose permission to stay is based on arrival with a visa or visa-exempt, which would limit the requirement to Permanent Residents.

FlorC, you have already made your Nan immigration officers lose face by having a Mae Sai officer expose their ignorance, so I suggest it should not be you to ask for a copy of this Police Order at your local immigration office.

Calling SunbeltAsia: have you got a way to lay your hands on this Police Order? Not Order 777/2551, which I have already, but another Police Order whose number I do not know, also issued under the authority of Section 35 of the Immigration Act, but dealing with the exemption to notify the address to the local police station.

Thanks for an interesting point. The Thai immigration act , the Nan immi "so kindly " printed out for me , is the same as the one you find on their website and others. And it does not state "conditions as prescribed by the Director General" .

Yes I don't see myself driving up there to ask for that , because it would mean that I still doubt his "law " and try to find way out of it.

Even if the conditions as prescribed by the Director General make this distinction , I wouldn't dare to tell him.

He would lose more face , and I don't want to get blacklisted...

Op how did you get the non 'o' ?, is it one of the last ones issued in UK ?, and it looks like a letter from your embassy for your driving licence, As i see it, you have reported your address at the border, and as long as you have not beeen absent from the motel for 24 hours, you are not in breach of any reporting rules, the only thing i can see is the form tm 30 has or has not been submitted ( are they ever) but thats up to the motel, You have no reason to go to nan immigration, so i would stay away.

Many posts on TV here, you can read that it varies with which embassy or consulate in which country , where you apply , if they are very strict or are easier to get a non-0 . No it was not in the UK.

Like in post 12 "Maestro " : Logical answer: "Because I applied for it"

In my case , I show them the more than enough money I have in Thai banks so that I am financially no threat for Thailand.

About the embassy doc for the DL, Not only am I far from BKK, and it costs a lot more at the embassy AND one big brother,

(Nan immigration) , is more than enough. My embassy does not need to know were I live.

In case of emergency back home or here there are cell phones, skype,...

For terrorist warnings, we've got the USA....

Indeed I like to stay away from Nan , but next year I'll be 50 , and will need to go there to turn my non-o multiple entries into

a 1 year retirement visa, or extension...

And I'll bet they will make trouble again , like were the 800.000 B must be, savingsaccount , or in funds ,....

And now that they get the motels reports , no way out of reporting my every move...

OP mentions he' staying in Motel. I believe all motels and hotels have to report their guests by law to local police or perhaps all the way to immigration every day?

So if your staying in motel or hotel your fine, they report on your behalf.

My motel reported at some local (Phrae) authority , they did not send it to Nan immigration. After the threat of fines , they now do it on the Nan immi website directly.

The reporting of a farang staying by the hotel/motel/or what ever owner, is separate from the notification that the farang has to do. If I arrive I must let immigration know by going to the local police and sending it to immigration or driving ( 200 km ) to them...

Good luck if your living in south Uttradit...

This is how I read it:

Section 37(2) Shall stay at the place as indicated to the competent official.

..

Indication of the address on the arrival card complies with the above requirement.

Section 37(2)

...Where there is proper reason that he cannot stay at the place as indicated to the competent official, he shall notify the competent official of the change in residence , within 24 hours from the time of removing to said place.

This notification is made with form TM.28 to the local immigration office. Hardly anybody ever does it, but it would be useful for immigration to always know your current address in case you you need to be contacted in an emergency.

Section 37(3) Shall notify the police official of the local police station where such alien resides, within twenty – four hours from the time of arrival.

In the case of change in residence in which new residence is not located the same area with the former police stations , such alien must notify the police official of the police station for that area within twenty – four hours from the time of arrival.

This notification should be made to the local police station, not the local immigration office. Again, hardly anybody ever does it but it would be useful for the reason indicated above. If immigration fouls up, as least the police station has a way to find you in an emergency. I remember the post of a ThaiVisa member who went to his police station to do this report and they had no idea how to handle it; no form exists for it.

Section 37(4) If the alien travels to any province and will stay there longer than twenty – four hours , such alien must notify the police official of the police station for that area within forty – eight hours from the time of arrival.

Same situation as with Section 37(3)

Anybody interested in the full text of the Immigration Act B.E. 2522 can find it here:

English translation: http://www.thaivisa....Act-EN.pdf.html

Thai original text: http://www.thaivisa....Act-TH.pdf.html

Like you say , hardly anybody does this.

Also , you state "in case of an emergency " , what emergency ? Isn't that why we have cellphones?

Immigration knows my number. If they want to know where I am ,they just call and ask to report myself at the nearest police station.

Unless you have a officer (Nan) that like to give you a fine ( 5000 , not much to worry.

Now if I go to the border , I always go for 2 days out of the province...I have to report that?

If I go to Bangkok to do some shopping a couple of days before I go to Europe , I have to report?

I feel like a criminal on parole .

This is the important part of the immigration law

Section 37 : An alien having received a temporary entry permit into the Kingdom must comply

with the following :

1.about employment

2. Shall stay at the place as indicated to the competent official. Where there is proper reason that

he cannot stay at the place as indicated to the competent official, he shall notify the competent

official of the change in residence , within 24 hours from the time of removing to said place.

3. Shall notify the police official of the local police station where such alien resides, within

twenty – four hours from the time of arrival. In the case of change in residence in which new

residence is not located the same area with the former police stations , such alien must notify the

police official of the police station for that area within twenty – four hours from the time of

arrival.

4. If the alien travels to any province and will stay there longer than twenty – four hours , such

alien must notify the police official of the police station for that area within forty – eight hours

from the time of arrival.

5. If the alien stays in the Kingdom longer than ninety days, such alien must notify the competent

official at the Immigration Division , in writing , concerning his place of stay , as soon as

possible upon expiration of ninety days. The alien is required to do so every ninety days. Where

there is an Immigration Office , the alien may notify a competent Immigration Official of that

office.

In making notification under this Section , the alien may make notification in person or send a

letter of notification to the competent official , in accordance with the regulations prescribed by

the Director General .

WOW ! I feel like I'm on parole ! So every time I go more than 24 hours out of the province of

residence I have to report to the police and to the police where I go to?

Is this realistic ?

Shouldn't I just ask for an ankle bracelet so they can track my every movement?

Are there other immigration offices that enforce these rules as strictly as Nan?

This is meant as a waring to all non-immi-o holders that do border runs every 90 days,

especially for provinces of Nan , Uttradit or Phrae.

I have been reading posts on ThaiVisa for about 5 years now and I wish that I had been warned.

So I'm been living in Thailand for just over 4 years on a non immi -o visa , doing my border

runs every 90 days.

I've been living in Phrae for the last 8 months and my 1 year drivers licence expired, so I need

a residency certificate for applying for a 5 year DL.

The day before I do my borderrun to Mai Sai , I went to Nan Immigration with all the documents

required. There was just this officer who , after I gave him the bills to show that I have stayed

in the same place for the last 8 months , angrily started to to say that he will give me and the

Motel I resided , fines for not reporting that I stayed there.

He wanted to know why I was given a non-o , because I am not married to a Thai , don't work

here and am just below 50 years old.

He wanted to know what I was doing here and got more upset when I told him I was retired at

this age .

Now I know that non-o with a work permit / Thai wife / 50 Y retired (with 800.00B) , have the

1 year visa with no border runs , just the 90 days notification of residence , but the non-o who

have to go out every 90 days don't , right?

He said that it is Thai immigration law and that I should know this. I said that I will ask in Mae Sai

the next day . He called the motel were I stay

and after that he let me go , no residence document and luckily for this time only , no fine .

After the border crossing with the friendly immigration officers, I went to Mae Sai immigration,

were they told me that I only needed the 90 day border crossing and no notification of stay.

You give your address on the arrival card , so it is in the computer.

They wrote a note for the Nan immigration.

Next day I took the bad road to Nan again (1251) , and there were a lot more officers than before,

but the way they treated me was completely different than the friendly's at Mae Sai. It was like

they nearly all had been warned or poisoned again me. Why ??

Reluctantly they started the paper mil for the residency doc . The one on the information desk

wanted me to fill in a document but I didn't understand what he wanted me to write at a specific

question, so he said he will stop because I was being difficult , being a problem....

All the while I was polite , respectfully dressed, not raising my voice , not angry ,neutral trying to

talk in Thai , but they wanted me to speak English.

Then the boss came back and asked me again if I understand the immigration law and that I

needed

to register in the first 24 hours I stayed in one of "his " provinces.

Then I made the mistake of giving him the note from Mae Sai . He called them and said that they

were wrong. He printed out the full immigration act which I had to sign. Of course now he didn't

want to give me the res doc and threatened again with 5000 B fines if I fail to comply.

If I wanted the doc , I had to ask my embassy....

OK, if they give me permission to reside in Thailand , I have to know and comply with

immigration law. I have read it and I understand it , well nearly...

2 times before I have had a residence doc , no problem , always friendly , no-one threatening me

with fines . No immigration office has ever mentioned that I had to notify me staying in their

province. Haven't read anything on ThaiVisa about this for MY type of non-o.

Giving notification is not a problem, you can do it by mail, but within 24 hours??

So a visa run AND notification of residence? I can understand that from when you are given a

residence doc for a DL , they want to be sure that you live there , every 3 months.

But if you don't register , like I was , why this extra notification ?

So I just want to warn foreigners that have a visa like me , who reside in Uttradit , Phrae or

Nan , that immigration in Nan is VERY strict about this.

If you think you are going to need the Nan immigration for residency doc 's or extensions or

re-entries , be sure to notify them of your stay in the first 24 hours of arrival.

I wish I was warned ! I could have stayed in ignorant bliss , or report my stay on time....

So an extra of 250 km on bad roads , good for diesel imports and air quality , and nothing to show

for.

Of course I could just move away from "his" provinces , but I like where I'm staying in Phrae

so I don't want to go.

Because of the long post , an extract of immigration law and comment in the next post.

The plastic bedliners damage the car too.

Where the plactic touches the paint , you see wear and tear even if you never use the bedliner for transporting stuff, like me.

These damages lead to some rust.

Yeh, l did post some time back about running a blade around the inside lip of the liner to cut an angle in the plastic and remove the sharp edges before fitting.

Mine doesn't have sharp edges and the damage is also on flat surfaces like the bottom , near the rear latch , well anywhere where the plastic touches the paint.

The plastic bedliners damage the car too.

Where the plactic touches the paint , you see wear and tear even if you never use the bedliner for transporting stuff, like me.

These damages lead to some rust.

Hello,

To cross the border at MAESAI do you need to get a Visa or can you go shopping few hours without stamping your passport ?

And the visa for Myanmar is the "on arrival" kind that cost 500 thb ?

Thanks.

I only go every 3 months to get a stamp , and then it is sort of visa on arrival , 500 B or 10 $ . You can go shopping there , but as I understand it,

you can't go further in to Birma than the village.

You forget the visa cost! Mae Sai is still 10 USD , if you're lucky or 500 B.

The Laos commies want at least 1500 B at the border. Don't go to the consulate in Khon Kaen, those a@@holes charge even more AND you have to wait 2 days , or pay even more to get it right away!!

Cambodians 20 USD but via online visa , 25 or more at the embassy and 2 to 3 days wait.

At the border you pay more unless with one of the "travel agencies" which are not cheap either.

Mai Sai is the best, quick , easy , friendly.

The best place for components is Ban Moh in Chinatown . A maze of soi's full of electronic's shops.

Don't miss the airco mini malls , they are the best .

Power Leds ,solar panels, individually sold. And near Th . Mahachak market , lot of LED's lighting too.

Just don't buy batteries from streetvendors , big chance they are fake.

Yes I live mostly in NP, and I have noticed that there are vet's in town. I know the one near the bodyrepairshop.

But I wanted the opinion and experience of a westerner .

From another farang I hear he doesn't like the hospital in town , so what says that for animal care in such a

small out of the way s-hole as Nakhon Phanom...

I'm not too keen on the opinion of - Thai - locals , animal care is not high on their priority list.

Even back home , vets make some big mistakes so in this country where animals' lives are even less worth,

I fear for letting them cut my pets open....

But I may take a look at your vet. maybe PM me after your experience with the new one.

The 100 Km trip to Mukdahan and back is something to considder too...

Thanks

HaHa, some free publicity for you...

But I'm strictly vegetarian , so the aussie meat , is not my thing...

Nice house though !

Thanks Don.

When they come at that age to nuter them , I will give her a call, or go see.

Thanks again

Thank for replying . Thought there were no foreigners in the area with pets.

What have you had done with her , in regards to nutering or sick animals?

Flor

I love cats , but they keep on breeding , inbreeding where I live in Nakhon Phanom. A lot of cats with no future.

Father cat banging his teendaughter of 7 months old, another 5 incestbabies....and it goes on and on.

So has anyone , have a good experience with a veterinarian in NP or Sakhon or Mukdahan?

Is there such a thing as a good veterinarian in these parts, or is it the local butcher with a needle and some optional chloroform?

Can you really trust a thai with your loved pet?

I know there is a university animal hospital in Khon Kaen, but a bit far and letting these kids experiment on your cat?

A cat's life in thailand is even less worth than a chicken , Well maybe not in the NE , where they would eat it too...

And what do they do here in Thailand: Full hysterectomie or just tubal ligation ?

And for the male cats: cutting the full "package" or juist a vasectomy like on humans?

Thanks

Very high load index makes tyre rounder unloaded, reducing contact area with ground.

To high air pressure provides same result, your tyres need approx 29-32 psi, check label in drivers door sill.

Both increase braking distance and reduce traction.

If I pump to much pressure, the contact with the ground is only in the middle of the tyre, and that is the section that gets worn.

Thanks for your replies.

I'll look into the comfort tyres.

Are the heavy duty tyres, the ones that some pickup's and SUV's get perfectly round?

If I compare stationaire unloaded pickup's or SUV's, my tyres have about 15 cm contact with the ground, the really round ones maybe 7 cm !

I drive a lot but no load , so I like comfort more than a hard ass.

The Bridgestone 623 are no problem for braking, but coming downhill fast in a bend in the road , they feel a little unstable.

Thanks

Hey, I 'm driving an Isuzu low model, so 215 R70 15. More than 76.000 km in about 3 Years. About time to change the tyres, looked on websites, in the shops and read the older post here on TV. There is some choice, Bridgestone R611 like on all the new

low Isuzu's , Dunlop grandtrek PT2 , Vantrek V1, Comfort lm 703, The Michelin ones , Goodyear and Maxxis has some nice ones. They are all around 3000 to

3200 B , Maxxis some 500 B less.

Now which to choose? The thai or malaysian websites are not very clear for good information, even if it is in English.

I drive in cities and the highways and smaller roads, try to avoid dirt roads and gravel and broken concrete.... Rain and dry weather.

1) the size , 225/70 or 235/65 can do, they are wider, more grip? They are a little bigger , so lower rpm for the same distance.

2) patern of the tyre , for minimal spray of rain water (and muddy water!) and shooting little stones that are everywhere on these dirty roads, against the carbody, and of course the noise .

3) Is there really a difference in fuel consumption , between wider tyres and different patterns?

I am quite happy with the original Bridgestones 623, and always around 35 psi, but in comparison with other cars, that do have nearly perfect round tyres,

mine were always somewhat sagging even pumping them up to an onconfortable 40 psi.

Which tyre are you happy with?

It there a price difference between the Bangkokal area and up north or far east?

What are your views?

Thanks

We contacted several agencies and none of the detached houses we saw had a garage. Maybe you'll have better luck walking around, but pet-friendly houses are not that abundant. At least not for a low price.

Thanks for that.

True , a lot of ad's I mail to, come back with the demand for no indoor pets.

I like cats , and indoor!

I can understand it a bit.

They damage furniture and leave hairs behind, and then you don't get your depossit back.

It's hard to find a good place.

In Europe we have newspaper ad's in abundance and a lot more on internet sites than here.

In Thailand you have to know people and speak with the locals to find something.

If only they understand what I am saying ....and is is not the language barriere!

Closeable garages are difficult to find in Thailand. I had one all my life in America so I was amazed that no one builds like that here but was told by the wife that the reasons are the heat, varmints that would live in the dark recesses, and that Thais that own cars want to put them on display for status...

Of course , putting a hot car in a closed garage is not good, but you can wait untill it cooled off.

When I went out of the country , I parked outside only under a cover, and now I 've got ants

inside. In a closed garage there are no snakes, little lizards, birds . Insects are easier to controle.

Many thais park their car on the groundfloor of their townhouse/shop, so that's like a garage.

Of all the rentals in Hua hin , are there detached houses with closed garage <18.000 /month?

According to agencies nothing.

It is not so easy to find what your looking for, wheather it is a place where you can have pet's,

or a closable garage.

Been in contact with Hua Hin finder too. Seem friendly and ligit.

Regarding the CPU update...

I'm not familiar with Isuzu, but most modern vehicles need connecting to the diagnostic equipment to reset the service indicator. The computer would then inform the technician of the required download.

Sorry , but what is resetting the service indicator?

I've been driving my Dmax for 2,5 years , 65.000km and no problem, only some rough idling

when it is colder at night or when I haven't driven it for a week or so. No indications on the dashboard. I did the fuel line and pump bleeding to get air out, but no change.

Starting takes a little longer, when I compare it to other Isuzu's or other make pickups.

This has been from day 1, and with the battery getting older...

The technician had the diagnostic computer, but it gave no codes, just numbers for actual

pressures, and then he said " mai pokkatti" = not normal.

No power loss , no black smoke.

So I don't think to have it replaced. Or wait for the last 1 or 2 months of my warranty.

So none of you all have had an ECU update when replacing the valve?

And Philipm what is "unlock the ecu learning program" ??

What is a piggyback kit?