LevelHead

"hardcore red shirts declared to secede the country’s north and northeast regions to establish what they called “Isan-Lanna” state"

Like I said in an earlier thread. A landlocked "Isan-Lanna" state bordering with the landlocked metropolis of the PDR Lao would be nothing short of a economical dust bowl. The north are kidding themselves if they think they can get by without commerce hub Bangkok, the resource rich southern provinces and those other provinces bordering the Gulf of Thailand and the Andaman sea.

Why would it be landlocked ? Lots of access to the sea from Chonburi all the way to the Cambodian border.

The north and central provinces generate pretty much most of Thailands GDP.

The north generates pretty much all of Thailands electrical power.

The north controls all the water flows through the country.

A seperated North/Central "Lanna/Isaan" block would have all the electrical power, all the labour, all the water and generate loads of money.

Without the Central/North block Bangkok and the south would have NO water, NO electrical power, pretty much NO labour - and soon all the factories would move out of Bangkok/South.

This is why Bangkok and the South get so upset about talk of a divide - they offer nothing and live of off the North/Central area's. power generation, water flows, crops, GDP generation etc...

All in my opnion of course.

Its just like the rice scheme.

When Abhisit/Dems were in power PTP made a complaint to the NACC about over 160 billion baht damage, and yet the NACC declined to investigate this in 2011.

And now they want to investigate the rice scheme because Yingluck and PTP are in power.

So quite rightly PTP have now filed again for Abhisit to be investigated for the rice scheme and the losses when he was in power - I wonder if the NACC will do it ?

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/breakingnews/Pheu-Thai-to-ask-NACC-to-probe-Abhisit-over-rice-p-30227647.html

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Interesting is it not.

Red shirts go into a restaurant, order food and drink and let it be known that someone is not welcome.

No guns, no grenades, no pretend farmers, no navy seals.

And suddenly this is so bad. The same people who are supporting the PDRC with their killing of policeman, popcorn gunmen, their shutting down of government offices, their forcing people to stop work etc.. etc...

A large dose of hypocracy anyone ?

In my opinion of course all of that.

This is because the possible end game is near and March the 3rd represents the start of a period of time where the "Judical Coup" will happen.

On March the 3rd the democratically elected 50% of the senate finish their term. This all (thanks to the coup 2007 constitution which made the senate 50% elected and 50% appointed as opposed to the 1997 constitution which was a 100% elected senate) means that the senate is controlled by the remaining 50% of unelected appointed senators, who it is alleged are mostly PDRC supporters.

The new Senate elections are on March 30th, so between March 3rd and March 30th the unelected and non-democratic remaning 50% of senators control Thailand in some respect and the PDRC backers are said to control the majority of them.

The NACC has fast tracked the Yingluck investigation, even though she had no direct control of the rice scheme, they want perhaps to charge her around/after the 3rd of March.

By charging her she will be removed from office and this is where the unelected appointed remaining 50% of the senate comes in possibly.

if the NACC charge her after 3rd of March and she steps down, the Democrats/PDRC/Elite will then say only an elected MP can take over as caretaker PM as per the constitution. As there has been no election there are no elected MP's nobody can be caretaker PM and so this matter has to go to the senate for the senate to appoint a PM.

With the PDRC backers said to be controlling the senate with only is 50% appointed ones in session (the elected 50% are out from 3rd March), they can then appoint their "neutral" caretaker PM who of course will not be neutral at all.

With the PDRC backers then potentially in control of the senate and the caretaker PM position they can then work their magic and take back control of Thailand from the people and have their unelected system put into place.

Why do you think the EC appears not to want to complete the election by March 3rd ? It is all part of the plan. For this end game to work via the NACC, courts and the remaining unelected senators there cannot be a completed election and an elected MP in place at March 3rd. This explains why PTP are demanding election complete by March 3rd and EC are saying must be much later.

For this to happen in short :

a/ EC has to hold up elections and not complete them before March 4th to ensure there is not a single elected MP anywhere in Thailand.

b/ March 4th has to come, so that the elected 50% of the senate has finished their term and the senate is controlled by the appointed, not elected, undemocratic remainder

c/ NACC has to charge Yingluck at their leisure during the period until March 30th when new senate elections are held, so she has to step down to defend herself.

d/ With no election completed and no elected MP anywhere in Thailand, the constitution states only an elected MP can be appointed caretaker PM. Democrats/PDRC then swamp the courts saying as there is not a complete election and no elected MP all power must go to the senate (the senate now just with appointed member left)

e/ The appointed senators then appoint their own caretaker PM and claim its all neutral and for the best interest of Thailand

f/ Game over for PTP and PDRC go home and Suthep claims victory !!!!!

BUT perhaps then

g/ Red shirts start protests at this process of coup

and you know where this is going to go from here................

This is of course my opinion. But it explains why perhaps the EC do not want to complete elections by March 4th.

Well done Yingluck. This message has been reported all over the English and Thai media so everyone knows.

Its just 4 years now, but still waiting for Abhisit and Suthep to apologise for the murders of innocent red shirts and bystanders in 2010..............

It appears you didn't understand my post.

Suthep and his followers rejected the amnesty bill and instead chose an undemocratic way to oust the government, blocking the city, ruining the economy, financially targeting companies that have nothing to do with Thaksin (AIS, Air Asia, Nestle, Maggi, Oishi, etc), creating more social division and effectively clearing the path to a civil war.

The amnesty bill would have wiped clean the actions of Thaksin, Suthep, Abhisit and others, which would have been a step back from the abyss, rather than a step ahead.

It's just my opinion. I know some people here have a hard time accepting that other people may have different opinions, so you are forgiven.

I understood your post perfectly, and it's clear you have no idea what's going on in Thailand.

The protesters don't support amnesty for any of those people. Even a lot of red shirts don't support amnesty for those people. People don't support the actions being wiped clean.

It is BECAUSE of the amnesty bill that Thailand is being pushed to the abyss.

The abyss was created in 2006 when there was a coup against the government.

The coup leaders committed treason against the 1997 constitution and promptly gave themselves amnesty. They then proceeded to rewrite the constitution which led to the new 2007 version. They also did what all coup leaders do, launched a viscious campaign of propaganda and slur and allegations backed up with flimsy verbal evidence against the PM they kicked out with their coup, found him guilty and made him go into exile.

That is pretty basic coup procedure.

The effects of 2006 and 2007 are the problem still being seen on the streets today in 2014, as has been the case in 2008 and 2010 and 2013. It was the starting point to all the problems.

The proposed amnesty bill is dead, what is going on now on the streets has nothing to do with it. The "elite" saw the amnesty bill as a good starting point to hit the PTP party as they saw red shirts also did not want it, they saw this unique unifying point as a way to commence the killing of the PTP goverment and party. This is why even when it has been clearly said the bill is dead, the protests continued and the PDRC changed the goalposts, no longer amnesty it was appointed government, then when people did not like this undemocratic thing it changed to being the regime of Thaksin.

The PDRC is just a front to attack PTP in the courts, the PDRC will continue to decalre victory tomorrow, continue to change thier goals and targets as it must remain on the streets whilst other forces work hard to trip PTP up so they fall foul of the courts decisions.

Redshirts know this. Everyone with a brain who knows Thai politics knows this, whether they admit it or not.

Why are redshirts getting more vocal now and tension rising ?

This is because the possible end game is near.

On March the 3rd the democratically elected 50% of the senate finish their term. This (thanks to the coup 2007 constitution which made the senate 50% elected and 50% appointed as opposed to the 1997 constitution which was a 100% elected senate) means that the senate is controlled by the remaining 50% of unelected appointed senators, who it is alleged are mostly PDRC supporters.

The new Senate elections are on March 30th, so between March 3rd and March 30th the unelected and non-democratic remaning 50% of senators control Thailand in some respect and the PDRC backers are said to control the majority of them.

The NACC has fast tracked the Yingluck investigation, even though she had no direct control of the rice scheme, they want perhaps to charge her around/after the 3rd of March.

By charging her she will be removed from office and this is where the unelected appointed remaining 50% of the senate comes in possibly.

if the NACC charge her after 3rd of March and she steps down, the Democrats/PDRC/Elite will then say only an elected MP can take over as caretaker PM as per the constitution. As there has been no election there are no elected MP's nobody can be caretaker PM and so this matter has to go to the senate for the senate to appoint a PM.

With the PDRC backers said to be controlling the senate with only is 50% appointed ones in session (the elected 50% are out from 3rd March), they can then appoint their "neutral" caretaker PM who of course will not be neutral at all.

With the PDRC backers then potentially in control of the senate and the caretaker PM position they can then work their magic and take back control of Thailand from the people and have their unelected system put into place.

Why do you think the EC appears not to want to complete the election by March 3rd ? It is all part of the plan. For this end game to work via the NACC, courts and the remaining unelected senators there cannot be a completed election and an elected MP in place at March 3rd. This explains why PTP are demanding election complete by March 3rd and EC are saying must be much later.

This is of course my opinion, but that is why in that opinion the redshirts are now getting vocal. They know what the plan is of the PDRC backers and so it is time for them to ramp up the tension and let the PDRC backers know that if they try to pull this off there will be major problems.

The simple fact AIS has nothing to do with the Shins now shows how the PDRC is using people for perhaps other reasons.

Take an example as below -

PDRC backers have a meeting and decide XXX company should be targeted because 10 years ago Thaksin stopped at their office to use the toilet.

PDRC backers short sell the stock of this company.

PDRC backers then tell Suthep to go on stage and ask everyone to boycott XXX company due to Thaksin links.

XXX companies stock price collapses.

PDRC backers then buy back their short position and also buy many long positions based on the collapsed companies share price.

PDRC backers make loads of money, thanks Suthep !!

This is why actions like this often have no actual links to Shins, like AIS has no link at all to them now, but its being targetted for "other" reasons.

As has been said AIS is the best nationwide serivce, True and DTAC are pretty awful in my view, and so anyone swapping over wlll soon be going back to AIS once they have been on the other systems a month or two.

All in my opinion of course.

Why would these people take their kids to rally sites? It's unbelievable.

A responsible mother/father should never do this.

Yes - a responsible parent will know that a peaceful rally for democracy is a peaceful rally for a better future for the kids, and hence a responsible parent would involve the kids as much as possible, so the kids understand why and what is at stake...

SICK peoples on the other hand - throw bombs at peaceful parents with peaceful kids...

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Peaceful rally???? You must be joking.

Suthep and his mob is famous for peaceful rallies. Lol

LOL

Yes, you mean these violent protests where PDRC guards have weapons and bombs, where "popcorn warriers" who Suthep brags about have assault rifles and grenades.

Peaceful protests ? They are as violent as can be, armed to the teeth wtih grenades and assault weapons are some of those among the PDRC.

In my opinion of course.

I like making jokes about the BIB as much as anyone. I've paid my tea money (minimal), and watched as dozens of tourists have been pulled aside for 2000 baht cigarette butts.

But I also appreciate walking the streets of downtown Bangkok at any hour- day or night without worrying too much about my personal safety.

And that wouldn't be possible unless some segment of the police were doing their job- and quite well at that.

Those taking the money for the 2000 baht cigarette butts are not police (they were the same brown colour to confuse tourists they are police in my opinion)

They are BMA people, they are not police. The BMA is run by the Democrat Party controlled Bangkok Governer.

So do not blame the police for that, blame the BMA and its Democrat governer for this scam.

The police are in effect at the moment the checks and balance to the army. it is no secret in Thailand the police and army hate each other. The army are with the Elite, the police with the politicians. Both are armed and both have had many run ins in the past.

You cannot reform the police until you reform the army. It must go hand in hand that the army are reformed and work only for the people and are totally taken out of politics and the control of various elites and retired generals, and then at the same time te police are reformed away from poltician control.

In my opinion of course.

All violence must be condemned.

From this common point we can look back at events leading up to this and some common things.

Firstly, children should not be anywhere near to political protests, and protest leaders should discourange parents taking children to politicial protests. Sadly protest leaders see children and old people and monks as their "human shields" and so do not discourage irresponsible parents from taking children. They then milk the media should a child get hurt or worst still killed.

Secondly, it is disgraceful for Suthep and the PDRC to be mocking the police and government claiming they have popcorn warriers defending them who will kill and shoot police. This outrageous behaviour will stop many police from being too close to and therefore protecting protestors and protests. This outrageous behaviour will incite violence from a core element of Thai society that is violent. We all know that some police are linked with criminals, as are the Army as are the Elite of Bangkok as are politicians of all parties (just like the PDRC have thier popcorn warriers). They all have the power to put their criminal friends into gear to go out and shoot and kill for them - the outrageous mocking and batiing by Suthep has perhaps (and maybe not) led to this attack. Everyone should hang their heads in shame, the person who should do so the most is Suthep, his speeches of the last days have led to this.

Thirdly, its is disgraceful to read people accuse red shirts of doing this. Without a single shred of evidence they feel they can justify their own hate by blaiming the people they hate for doing something like this. Many people have been wronged by the PDRC and their protests. The police, the government, many business owners, many companies, many powerful politicians, many individuals, many voters or would be voters expressing their desire for democracy - there is a very long list of millions of people who feel they have been wronged by the PDRC's antics.

Fourthly there is always the potential for people who want military intervention to do false flag attacks to support this.

Nobody knows the truth as it stands and nobody knows who is to blame, but everyone has to condemn violence and condemn those who openly speak of supporting violence or having armed people in thier midst ready to shoot and kill.

In my opinion all of that, of course.