BruceMangosteen

5 hours ago, Oohwan said:

How could they have refused you if you were already paying into the system?  I heard once you in your in for life.  Did you ever stop your personal contribution or miss a payment?  

It seems as if this is a new policy or procedure. Perhaps you were lucky or perhaps the fact you are married to a Thai national mattered. My friend's papers weren't scrutinized closely enough to decipher that in her case but I just don't know. No "yellow book", no conversion. Take it up with the municipality. (Sheryl, she rents from another foreigner so your idea of going in with same doesn't work/apply) In reality who can blame the Thai Government for not wanting to insure aging or any foreigners? I've advised my friend to keep trying as you never know, maybe there is some way to convert. Research and consideration indicates it's a rule, not the law. That said, there may not be a law. This makes legal action perhaps fruitless however it may be worth a try if you can find an attorney willing to go up against such a giant. It's sad as you say because people were under the impression they could stay in it for life. Things just change is all I suppose. God Bless You and good luck. OO.

1 hour ago, edwardandtubs said:

The SSO were asking for a residence card or house book,

Same here in the Chonburi province. This denial was further reinforced today by another expert in the field of getting things done for foreigners. The claim was made it's a new policy or law. Good luck, I'll keep this discussion going as things progress. God Bless You as well, stay healthy. OO.

These immature replies are really for the peanut gallery. This is Thailand, not London or New York. Of course the local wage scale matters. Of course the marketplace matters as well. I don't care if you pay half a days wage for one drink with a lady while you fondle here and gawk at her and get aroused by her. I really don't. You are what you are but suffice to say the value of the money does matter since we are in fact in Thailand. God Bless all of you "fools in stools". OO. 

2 hours ago, edwardandtubs said:

What seems clear is that the people working for the SSO are now under orders to make it as difficult as possible for foreigners to do this.

Forgot to ask...Were your experiences in 2017 or prior? Thanks and kind regards. OO.

A higher limit applies if you go inside a bank with your passport. It's submitted via the phone line with a different code than an ATM. The bank has to be willing to call it in for the higher amount. If possible, use a bank which you also have an account. Good Luck and God Bless You. OO.

1 hour ago, edwardandtubs said:

What seems clear is that the people working for the SSO are now under orders to make it as difficult as possible for foreigners to do this. I went to one office within 3 months of the end of my employment and was blatantly told that this was only available to Thai people. When I disputed this I was sent to see another person who said I should come back after 6 months. I went to another office in Bangkok after 6 months because I'd moved and was told I needed the resident card or house book, but by then it was too late.

 

What I'd like to know is if I can still do it on the basis that I did hand in the form within 3 months but it was refused.

 

I personally doubt the 3 months number is valid though as it seems to contradict your 6 months of entitlements. Surely the time when your benefits expire is the same time you have to start paying.

The generally accepted number of months to convert is six. This also coincides with how long you remain insured after termination of employment. Where the three months period came from I have no clue. In the situation I'm involved in, no application was retained or noted. The refusal was after a quick(as in seconds) thumb through of the paperwork(copies required i.e. Work Permit, Passport, existing SS card, proof of contribution, ...). The form requesting payment of the lump sum benefit was accepted and processed. God Bless You and OO.

2 hours ago, bkk6060 said:

It was 50 in Vegas.  What a joke guys paying hundreds for 15 minutes.  But many guys here complain about a $5 lady drink which includes full interaction. Never understand the complaints. I for one am very happy to be here.

Well, $5.usd is about half a days wage in Thailand. So while you see it as a "complaint", others perceive it as a willingness to get ripped off, which FYI, many just don't have. We often ask said "places" colluding in said practice how much they pay their cleaners? How much did she earn harvesting rice up in her village? We get nothing but again referrals to how much a prostitute cost in the USA or England. God Bless You and OO.

16 hours ago, mercman24 said:

well 2 weeks into the new bar, (previous post) 2 girls sacked for being <deleted> lazy, (taking 5 hours to plait the other ones hair,) so then 2 more walked out, and now they are  sitting across the road with the previous Thai owner slagging the new guy off, they were of the opinion that they could still go on being lazy bitches, lol !! oh and  answering back to the new lady boss.

Reminds me of another guy who borrowed $5000.USD on his VISA card and "bought" a beer bar on Soi 7 in Pattaya.

Started with ten bargirls and a cashier.

By the end of the month, it was just him and the cashier.

He figured he was owed about(exactly actually) 20 barfines per girl as they had all left with farangs(he assumed). That was the rule and as a few on here condone, she must pay to work there if she doesn't actually work there. It's not human trafficking because they agreed to it diba?

There he sat at the end of the pay period, his money in hand to pay the wage at 3000. Baht per girl, expecting them to give him 20 X 200 Baht(the bar share of the barfine of 300 Baht) = 4000. Baht times 20 days = 80,000. Baht. Yes, he'd pay the wage as agreed and net 50,000. Baht less the cashier wage. Well needless to say, no one brought this money in to him? Such a sad sight. He went back to his computer and looked at his excel spreadsheet and sure enough, his math was correct? Where were they? In fact, as highlighted above, a few were across the Soi? What the heck?

God Bless You and your "business plans". OO.

Codeine is available over the counter in Cambodia, Phnom Penh. Both combined with Para and on it's own. Made in France last time I got some there.(2016) It's not that far if a person is always in pain and, well, you get the point. God Bless You and OO.

As relayed elsewhere, Chonburi province with Social Security offices in Lam Chambang is currently denying change over to private pay for properly insured foreigners. They "require" a "yellow book" or? a "pink ID card". The yellow book requires some proof of permanent residence such as owning the house/condo or? the owner vouching? for you. The pink ID card it seems is rarely issued to foreigners outside of SEA orgin. Allow yourself time to be denied and don't give up. I know someone in the process now and she's only getting oral relief from the "hotline" which indicates it's ridiculous that said SS office has this policy and to just "go to another office". This advice isn't exactly professional but my friend may try. (she's distraught as you can imagine and relate) As we all know, the "other office" will want to send you back to where you came from(the office where you live). The matter may require "administrative court" action which naturally will be expensive and with a foreigner vs. the Thai Government one can imagine the horror. God Bless You and her. 

1 hour ago, Flustered said:

Simply presented the same card and just as in any other shop refund, the money is transferred back.

It didn't use to be that simple. Credit memos using credit cards took 90 days, sometimes longer. However, I've not tried that using a Debit VISA Card so your indication is welcome news. God Bless You and OO.

6 hours ago, BruceMangosteen said:

 

There are some markets where no key money is asked for. These cater to Thai customers and are a bit out but not far if you have transportation. No song tow service. I''m doing the research now, have a meeting at noon in fact to get more details. Tents and all the rest provided. I'll post for the benefit of the OP. OO.

120 Baht a day. Electricity and tent provided but you have to bring your own tables etc.. Both new and used items. A lot of impulse buyers. God Bless You and OO. 

19 hours ago, Flustered said:

Doesn't help the question but despite what Hertz/Sixt print, I have never used a credit card, I do not have one. They (Phuket and Ciang Mai) have always deducted a 10,000 baht (or near) deposit from my Visa debit and then paid it back on return.

 

However, I bow to current knowledge and local experience.

Thanks for all the replies... Regarding this deposit from you VISA Debit Card...how is it paid back on return? Credit memo on your card? Any delays? Thanks and God Bless. OO.

17 hours ago, binjalin said:

you must be practicing sarcasm right?  you can't possibly believe that?  I have been here a decade and there is NO 'debt' they 'have to' pay off - what a load of <deleted>

 

and stop saying 'OO' and don't bring 'God' into it you condescending, self-righteous **** 

The name calling and personal attacks do you no good. I have the lord and savior in my heart and am immune from that. Ask the person whom said debt is being played out on for your context. Don't preach from your high horse above it all. We are talking about a world of drugs and prostitution. God Bless You and OO.

2 hours ago, binjalin said:

Brothels, as you well know, are a completely different thing to bars where girls freely work. Go and chat to the girls and ask them 'are you free to leave'?  'are you being held here'? bar owners are not the same as 'brothel keepers'

The immediate defense you/they are "different" has long ago been dispelled. We are talking about financial coercion  and you well know that. Several members have mentioned the fact "she will not be paid" but leave out the little tidbit that not be paid for work already done, completed, days in the past. That's just the beginning. Regarding debts created out of thin air, it's a fact. If a girl lays out for call it five days, then returns, the "bar" thinks as a member noted, thinks they are owed money for the days missed(the profits they lost). She returns with a mythical "debt" and is of course then working for nothing. It's a vicious cycle and to differentiate from straight forward indentured servitude in a brothel, while cute and clever, won't get you out of jail. Good luck at trial. God Bless You and love you. OO. 

There are some markets where no key money is asked for. These cater to Thai customers and are a bit out but not far if you have transportation. No song tow service. I''m doing the research now, have a meeting at noon in fact to get more details. Tents and all the rest provided. I'll post for the benefit of the OP. OO.

5 minutes ago, Saladin said:

She can leave without it being paid but she won't have that job tomorrow. It should be kept in mind that there are many times more applicants than vacancies in bars. From the bar's point of view she is employed there in order to bring in business. If she is absent then all bets are off. If she chooses not to be there during some business hours then she should reimburse the bar for what profits could have been made during that period. This is not a rip-off - it is just sound business.

Hi. Let's dispel some of this for the benefit of the unknowing and naive.. She didn't have a "job" today in reality, so tomorrow was always in doubt..If there are "many times more" girls looking for work in bars, how do you explain the appearance of many in same? I mean and ask, who is looking at them and doing the background checks, the drug test, the medical checks?..If she should "reimburse the bar" for lost profits, well we ask that old question, why do you need the bar in the first place? Can't she just "reimburse" you without the "bar"?...Making the "employees" responsible for the profits is "sound business" in what world? God Bless you Mate. Nice, but ti's all been said and said and said before. Not grounds for dismissal of the charges. Thank you again to the forum for allowing this concept to be brought to the surface and put in clear clean air for all to make their own decisions. Back to the OP and concept of taking real risks with your trusted partner. 

2 minutes ago, ajarngreg said:

 

Could you please explain that?  You seem to be a weird gnome. 

He, as are most, is paying for the companion(s). The OP here is in a real relationship and considering a legitimate investment in a small business, a market stall which is one of the very smallest and easiest to get in to. He's not being worked as is the case with building a house in the middle of nowhere he doesn't own and won't ever sell. God Bless You and OO. 

23 minutes ago, DILLIGAD said:

Now look what you've done!!!
In post 143, he said he'd finished here!!!
OO!


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I was referring to the Songkran period. Today is a new dry day. No more internet service problems or drunks on the highways. God Bless You and OO. 

26 minutes ago, manarak said:

Which are two entirely different things.

 

It's like saying the motorcycle taxi drivers are pimps because they take money from prostitutes driving them to their customer's hotel (= actual ridiculous French LAW !!!!)

 

You confuse coercion into prostitution (=debt) with barfine (=paid by a customer to the bar for having one bar employee take the day off). The barfine is part of the voluntary system and does not include any coercitive aspects.

 

You can make those silly analogies and claims to a judge holding a gavel with charges sitting in front of him/her. ten years to life....The barfine is by definition coercive because she "can't" leave without it being paid...Ramp it up, add in underage, you'll get there mate. You might also google "indentured servitude" for proper context. Again, give it a go if you think it's worth ten plus years in a third world prison. The TV team isn't going to let our discussion go on much longer so God Bless You and OO. I thank them for allowing it this long. 

4 hours ago, binjalin said:

you are seriously suggesting 'bar fines' are people trafficking?  really?  free-will bar fines??? 

The term is "Human Trafficking" and yes, "bar fines" are a part of it all. We are referring to when a "debt" is created out of thin air and pressure applied on the girl to get it paid before she quits working in addition to garnishment of wages and commissions earned (despite the fact she's not legally employed which is another contributor). You don't have to believe me mate. Go ahead, dip your willy into it buying a so called "bar" and tell the judge while you face ten years to life in jail in a third world country. Is it really worth that risk to you? If so, "go ahead, make my day" as you are indeed a breed apart. God Bless You and OO.(sorry to add this comment but the member asked, thank you)

6 hours ago, Hal65 said:

"because your document on phone, not copy"

While I feel your pain, printing from a phone or flash drive or email is going to be more. I assume you wanted it printed, not copied? It's just part of doing business I suppose. Glad you got it down to a somewhat reasonable level. The ladyboy humor in that place should not be confused with laughing at a stupid farang. God Bless You mate. OO.

Why are the police holding your bicycle? God Blessed You. OO.

He/She needs a will which can "easily" be accomplished. Pre paid funerals are available in Pattaya for foreigners. Hopefully you will get useful information on this difficult matter. Start with the will however as that's essential. The cost at a local temple for foreigners can be 30-50,000. Baht but as I say and you know, you don't just assume you'll be taken there upon death. Outside of Pattaya 10,000. Baht, Thai or Foreigner. Hope your friend is at peace with it all and God Bless Him/Her forever. 

Hello. I used to stay at the "Grand Choruiso" or something like that. Does anyone know if that's still the best hotel in Udon Thani and if so, what is it's current name? Rumor has it Centara took over management of it?

I'm also told by my partner that renting a car at the airport is no problem, "you can with ATM card". I found this remarkable, but anyhow any suggestions on which if any car rental outfit to use much appreciated. Mid size car with full insurance. 

Trip is for three or four nights. If there any new sites worthwhile please advise. Not interested in temples or landmarks, but something like a waterfall or car/motorcycle race scene interesting. No interest in farang bars or brothels(not farang or Thai or Laotian). Former scene easily avoided. Hopefully that's still true.. Any fine dining also of interest, not seafood or farang food. It's Udon Thani after all is said and done diba?

Thanks and God Bless You and OO. 

1 hour ago, lamyai3 said:

 

Incidentally, the cream you just recommended (Beta-Dipo) is a steroid, and actually identical to the cream I mentioned (Bethasone) - the active ingredients in both are Betamethasone and Neomycin. 

Clobetasol Propianate is the ingredient most often given out by pharmacists in Pattaya and Bangkok and it is wrong for the condition assumed. When a person says "rash" it means with bumps. Otherwise it's not a rash! Beta-Dipo isn't in the  steroid creme section area of my kit but it doesn't matter. If it doesn't get better, get to a real Doctor.