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Will be only 10 years in October for me. Maybe not so long time then...

So... Ron is still your hero then?

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1) show me where I say he's my hero?

2) "They(the police) could probably tell you where to go next" ... and they told him to go to the hospital ...

you're probably one of those people who think that it's enough to grow older to be an adult ... and at the age of 60 still believe in child stories ...

Since the only truth that exists, is the one that comes from you... Why don't you write a book then and share your extensive knowledge to all of us old aged infants?

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The story doesn't tell. But 8 month old baby... It's likely it could be his. Anyway... If I got together with a woman some months after she have had a baby, I would contact the authorities and have them to decide what to do with my girlfriend's baby. Since it wasn't mine and we're not married, they couldn't force me to stick with that child. Besides, I wouldn't just drop it at the hospital and then run. Judging from his behavior, it looks just as if it's his child. Don't wanna take any responsibility since he could easily find a new bargirl, in a soi near him. It was bad behavior against the child and his girlfriend even if the baby wasn't his. It was pure asshol_e behavior if the he's the father to it.

In our home countries... Doesn't the authorities lock you in, if you would do a thing like that?

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Yes the reporting does not give the information.

It's UNlikely it is his. The mother doesn't even know his name. The police quickly traced the mother (how did they manage that? unless someone gave them the information on a plate.) You don't think they did any investigation, do you? No money in it.

The article doesn't say whether it is a Thai baby or a look krueng.

If you were in the situation, and your - you would pick up the phone and call the "authorities". Who ya gonna call? If you don't speak Thai, and you don't know the correct number?

Have you tried to explain something complicated to busy junior staff in a Thai hospital? When have you known junior staff to take any decision about anything, especially something important? Have you tried to explain anything (complicated or simple) to a Thai policeman?

In most of our home countries, you would be asked for ID, get involved in a lot of paperwork, but the baby would be well cared for.

Why must you judge this man on such a poor piece of "journalism"

Starting with paying a visit at the local police station would be great beginning. They could probably tell you where to go next. I doubt even the Thai police would say "sorry" take the child with you and go!" to an innocent tourist that just found a baby on his feet (as some here would like like to twist the story into). I would have done this regardless if the child were my gf's or if I even just found it on the street. If it wasn't his, no one could force him to take care of that child. What a low life creature behavior. Regardless of the journalism, a human being with moral just don't drop a child and run. If it includes paperwork not doing so, so what? If he's having a heart attack one day, I just hope someone could drop him of at the closest pig farm, where he belongs. Dead or alive. I mean... Someone could risk having to do paperwork if he would be taken care of in a kind and proper way. Who wanna risk that? (sarcasm)

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Have you ever been on a police station in this country to find a cop to write a report? Your sarcasm is really insane.

Oh Yessss I do have!

They've been helpful and friendly every time.

During my first year here: I was even picked up one evening by a police car that came to our house, by orders from the highest police chief in this Yangwat. They took me to a local karaoke bar where more police officers already were partying. They just wanted to know me better.

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The story doesn't tell. But 8 month old baby... It's likely it could be his. Anyway... If I got together with a woman some months after she have had a baby, I would contact the authorities and have them to decide what to do with my girlfriend's baby. Since it wasn't mine and we're not married, they couldn't force me to stick with that child. Besides, I wouldn't just drop it at the hospital and then run. Judging from his behavior, it looks just as if it's his child. Don't wanna take any responsibility since he could easily find a new bargirl, in a soi near him. It was bad behavior against the child and his girlfriend even if the baby wasn't his. It was pure asshol_e behavior if the he's the father to it.

In our home countries... Doesn't the authorities lock you in, if you would do a thing like that?

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Yes the reporting does not give the information.

It's UNlikely it is his. The mother doesn't even know his name. The police quickly traced the mother (how did they manage that? unless someone gave them the information on a plate.) You don't think they did any investigation, do you? No money in it.

The article doesn't say whether it is a Thai baby or a look krueng.

If you were in the situation, and your - you would pick up the phone and call the "authorities". Who ya gonna call? If you don't speak Thai, and you don't know the correct number?

Have you tried to explain something complicated to busy junior staff in a Thai hospital? When have you known junior staff to take any decision about anything, especially something important? Have you tried to explain anything (complicated or simple) to a Thai policeman?

In most of our home countries, you would be asked for ID, get involved in a lot of paperwork, but the baby would be well cared for.

Why must you judge this man on such a poor piece of "journalism"

Starting with paying a visit at the local police station would be great beginning. They could probably tell you where to go next. I doubt even the Thai police would say "sorry" take the child with you and go!" to an innocent tourist that just found a baby on his feet (as some here would like like to twist the story into). I would have done this regardless if the child were my gf's or if I even just found it on the street. If it wasn't his, no one could force him to take care of that child. What a low life creature behavior. Regardless of the journalism, a human being with moral just don't drop a child and run. If it includes paperwork not doing so, so what? If he's having a heart attack one day, I just hope someone could drop him of at the closest pig farm, where he belongs. Dead or alive. I mean... Someone could risk having to do paperwork if he would be taken care of in a kind and proper way. Who wanna risk that? (sarcasm)

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you have not been in Thailand for long, do you?

here's the rule: DO NOT GET INVOLVED - you'll be sorry for a long time to come ... he took a big risk already

assuming this: "Orasa told police that she left her baby with her Australian boyfriend, whom she knew only as Ron, 60." (so she don't know the last name) means: they just met

I think he did the best he could, if he would have contacted anybody, they would have made him pay for it - big time!!

and as some suggested; it could indeed have been the police who told him to do so ... could very well be ...

Will be only 10 years in October for me. Maybe not so long time then...

So... Ron is still your hero then?

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The title in Pattaya Daily News is as follows : Aussie Dumps Baby Daughter Outside Pattaya Hospital

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An Australian National left an eight month old baby girl in her stroller outside the Pattaya National Hospital at 3.00 am this morning along with some clothes and a bottle of milk.

Pattaya 2nd June 2010 [PDN] At 3.30 pm Police Major Suppharerk Yuphrai (Pattaya Police Investigator) rushed to the Pattaya Memorial Hospital after receiving notification that a foreign man had left a girl baby outside.

On arrival at the scene, the Officer found a female baby (8 months) in a stroller along with clothes and milk bottle. On questioning the people at the scene, no one had any information about the baby except the security guard who stated that he saw a foreign man arrive with the baby around 3.00am before the hospital officials informed the police.

The officer discovered that the baby's mother was Miss Orasa Donsakhu [24] from Roied who had been restrained in Pattaya Police Station, charged with drug possession on the evening of 2nd June. Miss Donsakhu had handed her baby over to her foreign husband, Mr. Ron [60] an Australian national at the time of her arrest. Subsequently the officer brought the baby to the mother at the police station.

Police Major Suppharerk Yuphrai revealed that her husband may have left the baby at the hospital after the arrest of his wife as he had no idea of taking care of such a young child. The officer contacted Miss Donsakhu in order to ensure that her mother will come to take care of the baby at home in Roied.

Their are also some pictures and even a video clip

Thanks for the followup, kuifje!

So, he's then HUSBAND to the arrested woman!! Man... What a lowlife sh*t-head creature.

Shall be interesting to read what the Ron-apologists have to say about this then.

As a foreigner well above middle age, divorced in the past, living in a country with easy women... It's totally okay to be unmoral and totally don't care about others. Can't be a coincidence to end up here then, since that behavior isn't well accepted from where foreign <deleted> comes from...

Based on the above version of the story, which is slightly better quality information than the OP, you are right that if he is the HUSBAND not the "boyfriend" , and if the baby is his daughter, then you can assume that he would be likely to take responsibility for the baby. So you are right to be critical of this.

It is still amazing that without any information from the hospital staff, the police identified the mother - did the baby tell him? And it is still amazing that the Nation, with its resources, cannot write a story, but the Pattaya Daily News can manage a better job.

Enjoy being right this time.......

Well, I don't enjoy being right in this matter since I got really upset because of the child. I would rather see that the story was wrong all from the beginning.

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The title in Pattaya Daily News is as follows : Aussie Dumps Baby Daughter Outside Pattaya Hospital

and the text

An Australian National left an eight month old baby girl in her stroller outside the Pattaya National Hospital at 3.00 am this morning along with some clothes and a bottle of milk.

Pattaya 2nd June 2010 [PDN] At 3.30 pm Police Major Suppharerk Yuphrai (Pattaya Police Investigator) rushed to the Pattaya Memorial Hospital after receiving notification that a foreign man had left a girl baby outside.

On arrival at the scene, the Officer found a female baby (8 months) in a stroller along with clothes and milk bottle. On questioning the people at the scene, no one had any information about the baby except the security guard who stated that he saw a foreign man arrive with the baby around 3.00am before the hospital officials informed the police.

The officer discovered that the baby's mother was Miss Orasa Donsakhu [24] from Roied who had been restrained in Pattaya Police Station, charged with drug possession on the evening of 2nd June. Miss Donsakhu had handed her baby over to her foreign husband, Mr. Ron [60] an Australian national at the time of her arrest. Subsequently the officer brought the baby to the mother at the police station.

Police Major Suppharerk Yuphrai revealed that her husband may have left the baby at the hospital after the arrest of his wife as he had no idea of taking care of such a young child. The officer contacted Miss Donsakhu in order to ensure that her mother will come to take care of the baby at home in Roied.

Their are also some pictures and even a video clip

Thanks for the followup, kuifje!

So, he's then HUSBAND to the arrested woman!! Man... What a lowlife sh*t-head creature.

Shall be interesting to read what the Ron-apologists have to say about this then.

As a foreigner well above middle age, divorced in the past, living in a country with easy women... It's totally okay to be unmoral and totally don't care about others. Can't be a coincidence to end up here then, since that behavior isn't well accepted from where foreign <deleted> comes from...

The story doesn't tell. But 8 month old baby... It's likely it could be his. Anyway... If I got together with a woman some months after she have had a baby, I would contact the authorities and have them to decide what to do with my girlfriend's baby. Since it wasn't mine and we're not married, they couldn't force me to stick with that child. Besides, I wouldn't just drop it at the hospital and then run. Judging from his behavior, it looks just as if it's his child. Don't wanna take any responsibility since he could easily find a new bargirl, in a soi near him. It was bad behavior against the child and his girlfriend even if the baby wasn't his. It was pure asshol_e behavior if the he's the father to it.

In our home countries... Doesn't the authorities lock you in, if you would do a thing like that?

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Yes the reporting does not give the information.

It's UNlikely it is his. The mother doesn't even know his name. The police quickly traced the mother (how did they manage that? unless someone gave them the information on a plate.) You don't think they did any investigation, do you? No money in it.

The article doesn't say whether it is a Thai baby or a look krueng.

If you were in the situation, and your - you would pick up the phone and call the "authorities". Who ya gonna call? If you don't speak Thai, and you don't know the correct number?

Have you tried to explain something complicated to busy junior staff in a Thai hospital? When have you known junior staff to take any decision about anything, especially something important? Have you tried to explain anything (complicated or simple) to a Thai policeman?

In most of our home countries, you would be asked for ID, get involved in a lot of paperwork, but the baby would be well cared for.

Why must you judge this man on such a poor piece of "journalism"

Starting with paying a visit at the local police station would be great beginning. They could probably tell you where to go next. I doubt even the Thai police would say "sorry" take the child with you and go!" to an innocent tourist that just found a baby on his feet (as some here would like like to twist the story into). I would have done this regardless if the child were my gf's or if I even just found it on the street. If it wasn't his, no one could force him to take care of that child. What a low life creature behavior. Regardless of the journalism, a human being with moral just don't drop a child and run. If it includes paperwork not doing so, so what? If he's having a heart attack one day, I just hope someone could drop him of at the closest pig farm, where he belongs. Dead or alive. I mean... Someone could risk having to do paperwork if he would be taken care of in a kind and proper way. Who wanna risk that? (sarcasm)

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You have great faith in the Royal Thai Police. Going into a police station in Thailand, signing pieces of paper which are written in Thai language, and expecting them to do the right thing, you could be easily extorted for kidnapping, child abuse, held for hours while they "make enquiries" / wait for you to pay a fee. How do they know you are an innocent tourist? Do they care?

And as noted before, we do not know if he "just dropped the child and ran". We would need more informative reports to know that. Given the choice of handing a baby over to a Thai policeman, and handing it over to a nurse in hospital, it sounds like he did a realistic thing in the circumstances (as far as we know them).

I don't know where you are living. If I turned up at the local police station where I live, telling them someone left me a child that isn't mine, I REALLY doubt they would make my life a living hel_l. I have had other issues here during my 10 years in this country and the Royal Thai Police have been really friendly.

Once again... You just don't drop a child somewhere and run. Especially if you knew the child's mother. Really especially if it's yours and, even though you had it with a cheap woman. But the cheap women are the reason then for idiots to end up in this country. Maybe I expect too much. My bad then.

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Well it seems to me that the girl would have known the guy at least 17 months if he is the father. I assume she would know more than he is Ron if that is the case. Unlikely the man is the father.

I wonder how many westerners do really, right from the mind, know the real first and last name (not the nickname) of your Thai girlfriend? If he's been living Pattaya and had a bar-girl for GF for 2 years or so... Why would she bother with knowing his last name, as that is of really no concern. Especially when she's apparently were living in the fast lane.

Looks to me that many here seems to defend this guy's lack of moral. Makes me wonder how many of the posters here do actually living a Ron-life in this country.

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How do you know Ronald is the father?

The story doesn't tell. But 8 month old baby... It's likely it could be his. Anyway... If I got together with a woman some months after she have had a baby, I would contact the authorities and have them to decide what to do with my girlfriend's baby. Since it wasn't mine and we're not married, they couldn't force me to stick with that child. Besides, I wouldn't just drop it at the hospital and then run. Judging from his behavior, it looks just as if it's his child. Don't wanna take any responsibility since he could easily find a new bargirl, in a soi near him. It was bad behavior against the child and his girlfriend even if the baby wasn't his. It was pure asshol_e behavior if the he's the father to it.

In our home countries... Doesn't the authorities lock you in, if you would do a thing like that?

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Yes the reporting does not give the information.

It's UNlikely it is his. The mother doesn't even know his name. The police quickly traced the mother (how did they manage that? unless someone gave them the information on a plate.) You don't think they did any investigation, do you? No money in it.

The article doesn't say whether it is a Thai baby or a look krueng.

If you were in the situation, and your - you would pick up the phone and call the "authorities". Who ya gonna call? If you don't speak Thai, and you don't know the correct number?

Have you tried to explain something complicated to busy junior staff in a Thai hospital? When have you known junior staff to take any decision about anything, especially something important? Have you tried to explain anything (complicated or simple) to a Thai policeman?

In most of our home countries, you would be asked for ID, get involved in a lot of paperwork, but the baby would be well cared for.

Why must you judge this man on such a poor piece of "journalism"

Starting with paying a visit at the local police station would be great beginning. They could probably tell you where to go next. I doubt even the Thai police would say "sorry" take the child with you and go!" to an innocent tourist that just found a baby on his feet (as some here would like like to twist the story into). I would have done this regardless if the child were my gf's or if I even just found it on the street. If it wasn't his, no one could force him to take care of that child. What a low life creature behavior. Regardless of the journalism, a human being with moral just don't drop a child and run. If it includes paperwork not doing so, so what? If he's having a heart attack one day, I just hope someone could drop him of at the closest pig farm, where he belongs. Dead or alive. I mean... Someone could risk having to do paperwork if he would be taken care of in a kind and proper way. Who wanna risk that? (sarcasm)

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To be honest , he most likely did the best thing he could think of , how many men , let alone at 60 , have the knowhow to care for a child of that age , DIY could have caused him all kinds of problems . We do not have the whole story as of yet , as in co-habitation , parentage , depth of drug use and types etc , so far the mother has only been charged (?) with drug abuse , how about unfit mother etc ? In my mind , the police were the first to abandon this child .

And some posters here like to nag about how bad Thai males are on taking care of their family and children. I'll guess the old Jurassic Reptile found it more enjoying to make babies, than to take care of them. Shame on him, just abandon a child that haven't asked to been born. Would it be that much different if the mother had an traffic accident and died? -Just leave the kids at the nearest hospital and run! He probably got children back at his home country, which he doesn't see anymore.

How do you know Ronald is the father?

The story doesn't tell. But 8 month old baby... It's likely it could be his. Anyway... If I got together with a woman some months after she have had a baby, I would contact the authorities and have them to decide what to do with my girlfriend's baby. Since it wasn't mine and we're not married, they couldn't force me to stick with that child. Besides, I wouldn't just drop it at the hospital and then run. Judging from his behavior, it looks just as if it's his child. Don't wanna take any responsibility since he could easily find a new bargirl, in a soi near him. It was bad behavior against the child and his girlfriend even if the baby wasn't his. It was pure asshol_e behavior if the he's the father to it.

In our home countries... Doesn't the authorities lock you in, if you would do a thing like that?

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To be honest , he most likely did the best thing he could think of , how many men , let alone at 60 , have the knowhow to care for a child of that age , DIY could have caused him all kinds of problems . We do not have the whole story as of yet , as in co-habitation , parentage , depth of drug use and types etc , so far the mother has only been charged (?) with drug abuse , how about unfit mother etc ? In my mind , the police were the first to abandon this child .

And some posters here like to nag about how bad Thai males are on taking care of their family and children. I'll guess the old Jurassic Reptile found it more enjoying to make babies, than to take care of them. Shame on him, just abandon a child that haven't asked to been born. Would it be that much different if the mother had an traffic accident and died? -Just leave the kids at the nearest hospital and run! He probably got children back at his home country, which he doesn't see anymore.

Words worth consideration and after thoughts.

I can only find these reasons that would fit:

Greed for money, greed for power and position.

I'll too many are in the belief that if they join hands with the rich and powerful Mr. Thaksin, they too will get prosperous. It's like when the indoctrinated poor in the northeast believes when Thaksin return, he will sprinkle money on everyone.

I believe the culture of following and trusting a person just because he is rich, will make great harm to the poor. If you can imagine the following scenario:

A poor but honest man wants to do something for the situation of the poor in the society. He decides to be a politician. It is election times an he manage to make several tours around Issan and talk about what he believes in and how he wants to do good for the society. Especially for the poor. He is dressed simple but proper. He gives a good impression of being an honest person. But... BUT! There is one detail though... He doesn't wear golden chains, doesn't wear heavy golden rings, doesn't drive a Mercedes. Would the poor vote him? No, no and no!!!

If we remove the part where the poor villagers sell their vote to whoever pays for it and imagine that the do a free choice, they would put their vote for the candidate that says he likes the poor AND do carry the heaviest gold chains and drives the most expensive car. That's how this culture works. Respect and follow the money trail! So how can there ever be democracy in a society like this?

Thaksin did everything right. If anyone could dupe the poor, it was him. He got everything that the poor looks up to. Everything except a clean conscience.

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Conor David Purcell, a former Australian military reservist, is a long way from home. The 29-year-old has two infected hip wounds, no money, no passport and survives on handouts from his Thai and foreign friends.

I don't know his complete story, but... Sounds like another derailed person who suddenly found new meaning to his life. Manifestations like these tends to be like a magnet for such kind. He ended up in a foreign country with no means of living a self sufficient life. Why don't he get back home, seek medical treatment, find a decent job, have wife and kids... instead of living like a bum. Since he got no passport, I'll guess he can't renew his visa either. That means the he's staying here illegally. Why does some put themselves into situations like these?

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How is the Abhisit government not legitimate?

I think the problem started with the coup. Then PPP won the next elections and the PM (Samak) was disqualified because he ran a cooking show. In any true Democracy, you would see neither a coup, nor a PM disqualified for running a cooking show.

I recall it was not the cooking show itself that was the issue. The problem was that he was the priminister of country this and were taking payments for being in that show, which apparently was forbidden by Thai law. Would it be any different if he would take payments from a company that wanted influence over the politics and decisions?

It really amazes me how so many here take so lightly on the laws of this country. As if they sometimes should obeyed and sometimes not. As if one could pick and chose which laws to follow or not. That isn't how laws work. Anyone here should know it, since it is de facto how you obey the laws in your own home country. If it is legal, it is okay. If not, then don't. Even if the Thais themselves sometime are bad at following the laws in this country, you as a guest should make sure to always show the respect of the laws in this country anyway. I'll guess Mr. Savage, for example, didn't understand that part. Bad for him, though. If a priminister are forbidden to take payment from anywhere else, the he must follow that law. He should known better, if he was serious with his job.

I must say I'm really amazed of all this Bull--Shit advocacy that many of the posters here carries.

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"We took to the streets to demonstrate our frustration with rising costs of rice, oil and medical charges," said Saisunee.

"The elites are enjoying while the poor are suffering," she added.

There is the real problem that Abhisit needs to address. Instead of buying a Zeppelin Airship for the Army, or bomb detectors that don't work, or talk about purchasing a useless Submarine, make life for the poor and less fortunate a little bit easier. Thaksin obviously noticed the problem and took advantage of it. Why can't Abhisit?

Normally... A country that develops from poor to rich, have to do the hard years for a couple of generations. Most of the western ones did have equal struggle for the poor during the industrialization. What happens is that the struggle from the past generations lays a platform for the coming generations to stand upon and develop even further from there. The average level of wages and living standard will slowly progress as time and generations goes by. The increasing value of the industrial, technological and intellectual assets will make every coming generation more prosperous than the one before. For myself, I was raised in a lower middle class home, tendencies more towards the poorer since I couldn't have all the stuff or do all the holiday travels that my fellow classmates could. But compared the the life a family in equal situation for 100 years ago, I was having a real good life. Today a low income family in the west, do have a living standard comparable to a king a couple of hundred years back.

But I see a problem with Thailand and the Thai society. The problem is greed and corruption. No matter how you got it or what person you are... You have to wear gold chains around your neck, in order to be respected. This goes among the rich as well as among the poor. Everyone who, for example, had built a house here in Thailand, knows that if you are really nice and friendly to the workers... They will lose respect on you and cheat with their duties and quality. They are no longer "afraid" of you. I've been there - done that.

I also see how many of the school kids are cheating during tests and essays. Their idea is to get the highest possible score with the lowest effort of studies. In other words... They want have the highest benefits by cheating their ass around. The problem is that this is a vein in this society. If you're cheating a lot and successfully get away with it, then you're great. Mother and father can be proud.

My wife had a new female employee in her shop. She showed her scores from school, which looked real good. She was offered a trial employment for one month. It would show that she was a real disaster. She had ensured us that she were excellent at working with Microsoft Office. But the truth was she could hardly use it. Even my wife were better at Word, even though she only learned from trying and testing on her own. The employee requested a somewhat high salary, referencing her education. She was told back that she couldn't have that salary since she wasn't any good on what she claimed were educated in. It didn't matter what my wife told her. She still claimed that she got a score from the school, telling that she were well educated. In other words... She have been cheated her way through school and then wanted a salary that were in pair with that paper, not with her actual skills. And this is very common.

So where's the problem then? The problem is that this society is building the foundation for their industrial, technological and intellectual assets upon cheating and corruption. The content will only be empty air. If tourists one day stop visiting this country, everything will fall apart. Because the platform that is built upon corruption and cheating, is almost only glued together with the money from the tourist industry. It would be like removing the oil from Saudi Arabia. The platform would crack.

I don't have a clue on how this country could get rid of corruption and cheating and start building a society based upon real efforts, where even the parents teach their kids that it is bad to lie and cheat and the only way to success is education without cheating. That's the only way to build the future for themselves and coming generations. And of course... This country needs more honest politicians, who doesn't become what they are just because they see all possibilities to get rich upon corruption. But how to change all that in this country, I have noo idea. Corruption and cheating is so well cemented in this society, among both rich and poor, that it would probably take many generations to change that. Kids tends to become what their parents were. In one way or another.

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A farang and his thai bf run a restaurant in Satorn, even frequented by Swedish Royalty...my partner worked there for one month, 7 days a week, from 1 pm till 5 pm, one hour break, then from 6pm till 11 pm....average daily tip, split among staff, 60 baht, salary 5000 baht....I know it is not unusual and the majority of the staff were Burmese....you can work out how much an hour he was getting, I said NO NO NO....enough is enough....he was a waiter with little english but worked hard...

I definitely agree that there are many exploitative businesses around Bangkok. But on those I don't have any figures.

On Central World I did. So I posted it.

But I know that what some people get in restaurants (25-30 baht an hour in Swensens, for example) is awful, but that's why they only have part time staff, mainly students.

Not to mention McDonald's, KFC, Burger King, Pizza Hut, etc etc.

I've been there - done that, during my school time. The wages on those are equally bad, compared to the average wages. Even in my very well developed home country. I'll guess it's the same in US and all over the world. Fast food chains are only for students who needs extra money. Good way to learn how to work in team, by the rules and how important a structure really is. For income, it's a disaster. But for the first job, it's a great experience. Afterwards, you really know that you wanna take care of your studies and one day aim for a job that you do like.

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Nice to know this woman is happy that poor people in Bangkok (many of whom actually come from the same kind of background as her) have lost their jobs thanks to all the burning she is happy about. Seems nobody is picking up on all the poor that are suffering because of the red arson and violence. There is a big irony in that albeit a sad one. Bangkok is not full; of only rich people and it is the poor who are suffering most from the attacks through lost work.

Ditto that!

It is sad to see poor and exposed people like her, being indoctrinated and filled with hate by a false movement that wasn't about her and the other poor. They've been thought to hate the government and "the rich" in Bangkok. So what is their own solution then?

Get rid of the government...? Confiscate the money and assets from "the rich elite" and... Give it to the poor? Then what? Money for free have never thought anyone to be innovative and self sufficient. When the money from the rich elite is used up on liquor and karaoke, who will employ the poor then? If they expect the government to hire every poor into the public sector... That won't work. Those experiments have been tested already in eastern Europe and elsewhere in world. China and even Vietnam are doing away with that kind of economy.

A country need investors in order to grow, expand businesses and employment. Either the investors are people and organizations from the homeland or from foreigners abroad. Personally, I prefer investors to be fellow countrymen. They will spend their their private money and wealth mostly at home, which is good for those who are involved in providing goods and services for that. Yes, it can hurt to see that some may have a bigger house and and a faster car than you. I don't see any problems with that, as long as they've been successful in a honest way.

So what can be done then? Well first the poor have to realize that the only way to success is by education and work. Unfortunately there are still way to many poor that don't want their kids to continue with the education after 9th grade. Many raise their daughters to became indirect prostitutes, hoping a rich guy or farang one day will marry them and then securing the family pension. The government must guarantee that every child can continue their studies through college and even university. There should be a student loan programme + some government premiums that would help the most absolute poor to have their kids at school. But that's not a guarantee for success. The student must be able to take good care of the studies. Not everyone got high IQ or clever brain. Some will drop from studies just because they are not suited for it. It's nothing money can do about that. Further more... There should be some kind of level of lowest wages that anyone can pay a worker. There should also be a pension programme as well. It do actually exist already, but it requires that the either the worker or the employer pay a percentage to the government pension fund. Most poor are simply not interested in that, sine it will be a premium taken of from the salary.

So... My question remains...

What was their plan and concept on helping the poor?

What do the poor homeless lady hope to be the outcome of toping the existent government?

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Indeed so!

I have in fact been asking this question for weeks now - What do the reds actually want. You know, policies and initiatives.

Of course education is number one and that has now been provided free up to age 16. It's a start. Just imagine some vocational training so that some kid can get trained and licensed for some particular trade and then get paid a useful wage......We don't all have to be PhDs

There is already a minimum wage (derisory by the way)

And an old age pension. Again not much but it is a start.

I did suggest to MODERATORS that a constructive thread of possible initiatives would be interesting. There are some smart people on here and I for one would be interested in their views! No response so far. Anybody out there? Hello? Hello?

I don't know about you guys, but...

Reading about this poor lady, I do get strong parallels to the victims (supporters) of Jim Jones and the Peoples Temple.

Wikipedia on "Jim Jones and the Peoples Temple"

The members were totally reprogrammed and believed every word the he and his sub leaders told the followers. Don't worry. Just do what he says, and he will show you the way into heaven. The only difference is that the followers out there in this country, didn't commit suicide. They are still out there, even poorer than before, bitter, without someone to lead the way and really really confused.

Anyone?

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Nice to know this woman is happy that poor people in Bangkok (many of whom actually come from the same kind of background as her) have lost their jobs thanks to all the burning she is happy about. Seems nobody is picking up on all the poor that are suffering because of the red arson and violence. There is a big irony in that albeit a sad one. Bangkok is not full; of only rich people and it is the poor who are suffering most from the attacks through lost work.

Ditto that!

It is sad to see poor and exposed people like her, being indoctrinated and filled with hate by a false movement that wasn't about her and the other poor. They've been thought to hate the government and "the rich" in Bangkok. So what is their own solution then?

Get rid of the government...? Confiscate the money and assets from "the rich elite" and... Give it to the poor? Then what? Money for free have never thought anyone to be innovative and self sufficient. When the money from the rich elite is used up on liquor and karaoke, who will employ the poor then? If they expect the government to hire every poor into the public sector... That won't work. Those experiments have been tested already in eastern Europe and elsewhere in world. China and even Vietnam are doing away with that kind of economy.

A country need investors in order to grow, expand businesses and employment. Either the investors are people and organizations from the homeland or from foreigners abroad. Personally, I prefer investors to be fellow countrymen. They will spend their their private money and wealth mostly at home, which is good for those who are involved in providing goods and services for that. Yes, it can hurt to see that some may have a bigger house and and a faster car than you. I don't see any problems with that, as long as they've been successful in a honest way.

So what can be done then? Well first the poor have to realize that the only way to success is by education and work. Unfortunately there are still way to many poor that don't want their kids to continue with the education after 9th grade. Many raise their daughters to became indirect prostitutes, hoping a rich guy or farang one day will marry them and then securing the family pension. The government must guarantee that every child can continue their studies through college and even university. There should be a student loan programme + some government premiums that would help the most absolute poor to have their kids at school. But that's not a guarantee for success. The student must be able to take good care of the studies. Not everyone got high IQ or clever brain. Some will drop from studies just because they are not suited for it. It's nothing money can do about that. Further more... There should be some kind of level of lowest wages that anyone can pay a worker. There should also be a pension programme as well. It do actually exist already, but it requires that the either the worker or the employer pay a percentage to the government pension fund. Most poor are simply not interested in that, sine it will be a premium taken of from the salary.

So... My question remains...

What was their plan and concept on helping the poor?

What do the poor homeless lady hope to be the outcome of toping the existent government?

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I have been giving some thought to possible repucussiosn back at home for Jeff Savage. Depending on how the Thais will deal with him and most of all what he gets charged with he could, to my way of thinking, face serious charges in Britain. Especially since the introduction of new terrorism laws,

I've come full circle on this guy. Based only on the You Tube thing, I chalked it up to a drunken dumbass and figured he would be sent back to the UK after some routine questioning. After his interview with the paper and the ASEAN summit involvement, he now appears to be a serial dumbass. I think he will get some jail time in Thailand.

Maybe the UK Govt should hope it's longer rather than shorter so that he isn't sent home for them to support right away.

Serial dumbass... 5555 - good definition!

Seriously... It seems that he really wants to get arrested. Why can't he just shut up?

Apparently, he have lost all of his survival instinct. If he ever had any.

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arresting a foreigner (or two) on some phoney charges sets a precedent to be used against them at anytime in the future, whatever the context might be - car accident, bar brawl, pickpocketing, credit card fraud etc

You're suffering from paranoia. Arresting a guy who publically announced he's going to torch and loot Central before the building was actually destroyed hardly sets a precedent for foreigners to be arrested on phoney charges.

He would've been arrested in any country for same.

I recall that posters here in the past said that Thais suffered from xenophobia. Mr. Savage is an excellent example for feeding their phobia even more, if it's true then.

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This has certainly saddened me.

I love Thailand my home, especially good ole Chiang Mai and to see some a/hole desecrationing the place, really angers me and hurts.

Whats the difference between an English cocksucker and a Dutch cocksucker, NONE.

Exactly!

That's why I posted about the Dutch guy, to somehow calm down the lynch mob against the Briton. As stated in a posting here... To the Thais, we all look like farangs. Just like asians looks like chineese to all westerners at home. One stupid "chineese" and all "chineese" are criminals. The problem is that all of us here are living in a third world country, where the mentality has net yet reached western standards where a powerful establishment are doing all they can to keep racism down. That's why I believe it's important that we have this discussion on how guests to this country should behave. While at the same time we should condemn those of "us" who doesn't behave. It may sound like we all belong to some kind of homogeneous sect, which we don't. But through the eyes of the native population here, we do. It's important for the continuous whereabouts here that we should somewhat organize in a society that could do statements like condemn actions from others of us. Groups of immigrants do have these associations in our home countries. So why wouldn't be a good idea to start one here? ThaiVisa is an excellent platform where we all gather. Could we agree on making a Farang association (community) as well? For the good of every sound and seriuos expat here in this country...?

Abroad, there are Black Communities, Chinese Communities, Arab Communities, etc etc...

So why not a Farang Community here in Thailand?

Right now, we're just a bunch of lose goats in a foreign country, on a continent far, far away.

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Thairath on the Flying Dutchman:

http://www.thairath.co.th/content/region/84444

Google translate Thai-English:

http://translate.google.com/translate?js=y...sl=th&tl=en

(the google translation makes no readable sense though)

Seems like he was quick on shaving his head. He HAD hair in the video though...

Anyway... He's probably going down Davy Jones locker by now.

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I believe he was in the background of the video with a white shirt and black trousers - not the younger guy with the green t-shirt.

Aww...!

You're right. I believe most of the audience were focusing on the tall lad in the green shirt. But the balled guy at the end do really look like the one on the picture. Ok... Misunderstandings sorted out then.

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Thairath on the Flying Dutchman:

http://www.thairath.co.th/content/region/84444

Google translate Thai-English:

http://translate.google.com/translate?js=y...sl=th&tl=en

(the google translation makes no readable sense though)

Seems like he was quick on shaving his head. He HAD hair in the video though... If it really is the same guy then.

Anyway... He's probably going down Davy Jones locker by now.

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To most Thais, we are all farangs, so I don't understand this fixation on the culprit's Britishness.

Correct....We are all white boys to them. No need for them to waste time & energy to parse us out by country

I do believe the Brits are having a big problem with both political sides here though...

Mr. Savage did a great number on arson, which the existing government probably won't take lightly on. Then Thaksin was forced to leave UK a couple of years ago, when the authorities didn't want him to make London as a base for political harassment against his home country. If Thaksin would get back in power, he may have some favors to pay back to the Brits then.

So... Hmm... No good situation.

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So... What about Dutchmen then? Are they Brit-wannabies?

Just read on an online Dutch newspaper that it is reported and confirmed a Dutch national ,

named Gijsbert T is arrested on joining a redshirt riot , vandalising government property ,

it is all shown on video as proof .....in Chiangmai .

All these farang partisipants are starting to give us a bad name , what the f.ck was he thinking ,

now instead he probably will see 4 walls for a year or so .

Another idiot rounded up!

Do you have a link to that Dutch article?

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Maybe it was this one:

http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/article...392.ece?cid=rss

The video:

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