Histavia

7 hours ago, polpott said:

Thailand consistently records the second highest number of road deaths in the world, 75% of those involving motorcyclists. Is that "conformation bias"?

all that tells me is you dont understand confirmation bias.

I will reiterate that looking at deaths per 100k your are about as likely to be killed in a private 4 wheel vehicle in Thailand as in USA.

7 hours ago, Artisi said:

All well and good, but the numbers speak for and out trump your views, an

average of 70 deaths each day, that's not a generalisation, that's a fact. 

 

No they dont in any way..I dont know what you think my views are...

You also need to look at all the different kinds of amstats for road safety and how they are used...the meaning of them

You also need to say how anything I've posted is "trumped" by the stats...I suggest you simply dont understand my post. I dont think you can 

people posting anecdotes about "bad driving" they have seen, clearly don't understand the issues surrounding road safety.

Basically you can go on youtube and see "bad driving" videos from every entry in the world. 

What these posters don't realise is that all their "evidence" is just confirmation bias. If you don't know what that is, that's probably why you think your anecdote has any value.

furthermore ranting about a single issue young drivers, motorcycle, red lights etc etc doesn't make the blindest bit of difference because unless they are part of an holistic approach, there will be no significant change.

Crashes - (not "accidents") are caused 93% of the time by human error - this isn't the "crazies" they cite, it is almost always by perfectly normal drivers who make a slight error. How severe this is depends on the driving environment they are in.....this is dictated governments. If the systems are in place then the ramifications of these errors can be mitigated.

Unfortunately the authorities in Thailand are totally oblivious to the science of road safety preferring to believe in their own prejudices and myths perpetrated by those who are totally unaware of their own ignorance of the subject.

We've all seen crashes all over the world  - I've had car fly OVER the roof of mine from the oncoming lane of a motorway..... but I don't draw generalised conclusions about a whole country. 

Just another load of cliches form media and "experts" - whoever they are.

unless Thailand has a major sea-change and adopts the "safe system" for road safety, there will be no significant change in road deaths and injuries.

These cost the economy trillions even year, but the authorities are just too stupid to do anything effective about it.

There are plenty of organisations - national, ASEAN and international that have plans, but successive Thai governments have refused PROVEN advice time and again.

I would suggest it's doubtful that Thailandfd has the infrastructure to enforce any aspect of this.

firstly the police need to be trained in motoring offences.

Then road markings, equipment and everything else has to be calibrated

After this the legal system needs to be able to deal quickly, equitably and effectively with the various infringements

Then they have to follow up an enforce fines etc.

Finally even if someone looses their licence it may not stop a lot of people from driving as the chances of being caught and prosecuted are quite slim.

There are already many people on the roads in Thailand - including foreigners - who don't have a driving licence.

...and then of course there is the all pervading graft, nepotism and corruption..

My guess is the poor will be the ones to suffer most under this regime.

This is just a piecemeal approach, unless there is a holistic approach to road safety, there will be no significant change in Thailand.

9 hours ago, H1w4yR1da said:

Actually it's not wrong. Publications often use single ' ' marks as opposed to actual doube quotation marks " ". They're also used to show a word being taken from a sentence.

That's called quoting. Reported speech has no inverted commas

On 1/29/2021 at 2:26 PM, H1w4yR1da said:

the word 'drunk' was in quotation marks. Hence it was reported speech.

sorry that's incorrect - in quotation marks it is QUOTED speech. Reported speech doesn't have quotation marks, it begins with words like "that" - e.g. he said that he was drunk.

however in the case of the OP it doesn't appear to make clear how inebriated the person was scientifically speaking and how much the behaviour was affected, so the comment is purely subjective and speculative.

On 1/30/2021 at 6:08 AM, richard_smith237 said:

The video footage is damning. There is no doubt about fault. 

There is only doubt about extenuating circumstances or lack there off if the driver is proven drunk.

Speed can readily be established with video analysis.

It should have already been established if the driver was drunk or had a medical condition. 

 

This makes me wonder if you have any idea how an RTI is investigated. Video is osmetimes a useful "witness" it ca also be horrendously misleadin and mist interpreted. As I said crashes in countries like UK and EU are meticulously measured out and the speed/distance, road conditions, weather drivers vehicles are closely examined and collaborated and the information is collated and available to the publ;ic. THis means the statistics are accurate and ca be used by any body trying to research road safety. Here we get a bunch of cliches and a video.

PS - if you want to get an idea of how little information is gathered in Thailand and the amount of information gathered elsewhere in a country with low road deaths just spend and hour or so wandering through the pages available here - https://www.gov.uk/government/collections/road-accidents-and-safety-statistics

On 1/30/2021 at 6:08 AM, richard_smith237 said:

The Thai Highway code, which is actually called the 'Land Traffic Act B.E. 2522’ very closely matches the British Highway Code (so much is it clearly based on it). 

There are significant differences - I think it probaly has more in common with the Japanese highway code.

Turning left on red lights is one and probably the most significant is priority to traffic on the left which is used in France and EU but obviously from the right.

1 hour ago, NanLaew said:

You think too much. Everyone (except me) replaces their stock Ranger rims with BF Goodrich treads on black rims.

Pickups as built in Thailand are inherently less sae than other passenger vehicles - they are of archaic construction  have poor centre of gravity characteristics and poor shock absorption characteristics. Once control is lost they can be a deadly missile.

So what conclusions do we make of this - if he had been Thai a tirade about drink \thai drivers would have followed.

The statistics concerning foreign drivers involved in RTIs seem not to exist. However they mostly live in areas with the highest accident rates. It is unfortunate that so many foreigners in Thailand consider themselves to be superior drivers to Thai people in general. 

I worry that most never adapt to Thai driving conditions ands just believe everyone else is driving badly. The fact is that many never get used to driving on the left and certainly don't know the basics of the Thai Highway Code or even priority rules.

This accident will never be scientifically analysed and all we'll get is a statement of cliches from the RTP and a long legal battle for measly compensation.

21 hours ago, snoop1130 said:

4,000 baht fine and suspended prison sentences for foreigners and Thais arrested at Koh Phangan party

 

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Dozens of foreigners and Thais who were arrested for flouting Thailand’s COVID-19 restrictions by attending a party at a bar on Koh Phangan have been given fines and suspended prison sentences.

 

On Tuesday, police raided the Three Sixty Bar on Koh Phangan following a tip off a party was taking place.

 

Over one hundred people were arrested, including 89 foreigners and 22 Thais.

 

According to Sky News, those in attendance at the bar were each fined 4,000 baht and given a one month prison sentence,  suspended for one year.

 

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Two Thai men - the owner of the bar and the organiser of the party - were each fined 10,000 baht and given two year prison sentences, suspended for one year.

 

Those arrested were from more than 10 countries, including the U.S., Britain, Switzerland, France, Australia, Germany and Denmark.

 

More than 200 people attended the party, which cost 100 baht to attend and which had been  advertised on the bar’s Facebook page.

 

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I notice a foreigner not wearing a mask.

It seems that the lack of covid in Thailand as lulled some into a false sense of security.

Covid has been bad enough for Thailand already, if it takes hold the country simply wouldn't be able to cope with the numbers experienced in US and Europe. ...and the economy even more damaged would be a disaster

They don't seem to realise the risk they are running. Especially with the new more contagious strains arising.

2 hours ago, VBF said:

Totally agree with that - I remember watching LKM being built - I once stayed in a hotel there (now long gone) and you could see the way things were headed then.

For me, Walking St has long been a "once a trip visit" whereas I have FUN in LKM and Soi Buakhao.  YMMV of course. ????

Leng Kee family own most of the land between 2and and 2rd road.   I imagine they will have some influence on how the future of Pattaya pans out..... havent seen anything very imaginative from that side though ....

On 26/01/2021 at 11:43 AM, jacko45k said:

And I thought it was all illegal construction as the beaches are public property.

Not public property....there may be a case that intertidal beach is common land or property of the crown/state or something like that. However it would be impossible to define "beach" as that space would change on a day basis.

Now is a good time to get infrastructure done in any tourist town....however you need a coherent and scientifically proven plan before you start....

2 hours ago, jacko45k said:

And I thought it was all illegal construction as the beaches are public property.

I think if you look at how Thai law and enforcement works, you'll soon realise that nothing is that simple. It was only about 20 to 30 years ago that the country began surveying property and land use so any dispute over land has first to define exactly which land they are talking about....than they have to decide on ownership. Similar scandals have happened in Phuket and Samui....strangely enough the same family keeps getting involved..../

Somehow many people seem to feel that any investigation will either not be thorough or somewhat biased toward saving Navy face?

26 minutes ago, TyJames said:

Yes Please, all that money spent over MANY YEARS, on countless court cases and multi judgements to tear them down but somehow they cannot get it done.

They are all illegal on the Seaward side of walking Street so they should have no part in any future plans. 

I believe there are some kind of squatters' right involved. Most development there was before proper land mapping and ownership took place too.

The other problem is what remains when / destruction took place....beach? Mud, drains or another inappropriate built monstrosity that destabilise  the coast even more?

Just now, Histavia said:

Can anyone point to the research that co forms the need for these "improvements"? Is there evidence of future demographic/customers for such a project. Do they really understand what infrastructure will be required.

As for the marine projects, have they even taken into account the depth of the bay and channels for boats and ships???

Maybe they're  just going to start dredging willy-nilly?

Can anyone point to the research that co forms the need for these "improvements"? Is there evidence of future demographic/customers for such a project. Do they really understand what infrastructure will be required.

As for the marine projects, have they even taken into account the depth of the bay and channels for boats and ships???

5 hours ago, Gandtee said:

No! What is frastructure? It's certainly not 

Typo.......sadly the opportunity to edit is passed but I suspect someone  who cant work out a simple typo, couldn't follow the argument anyway.

22 hours ago, sweatalot said:

So they should fix just that and not touch what gave the city its special athmosphere

You do understand what I frastructure is?

Secondly in post Covid Thailand....there is no such thing as post Covid.

So the nature and demographics of tourism in Thailand is going to be different.

They will need to identify the differences and then work out what Thailand can sell in this new environment.

....and your comment of trying to ge back to the same as before really exemplifies the point I was trying make that their is littke or no evidence that neither Pattaya nor Thailand have the oeolle with ability to take up this opportunity and run eith it.... it needs both technical excellence and imagination....

19 hours ago, Loiner said:

always happy to argue anyway. 

Sadly you don't appear to understand how to argue - you just gainsay.