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26 minutes ago, juice777 said:

"So we gotta make a new life where they'll never find us. You know where? Underground!
You should see it down there - hundreds of miles of drains - sweet and clean now after the rain!"

0one of the main problems of Pattaya is that the infrastructure - including the drains - are simply not up to modern development - they are always one step behind.

I haven't read this thread only the OP.....and there seems to be an elephant in the room....

I'm sure there will be plenty of cynical posts about how this will never happen and there may even be some posts putting forward their own ideas of which direction Pattaya should go in.

however the elephant in the room is VISION...

The problem with any scheme to revitalise or re-invent Pattaya is that even if they get through the red tape, corruption politics etc the possibility of finding anyone in Thailand with enough vision to come up with a decent concept is virtually nil.

Somewhere like Pattaya needs a huge research program and a modern international approach to building a resort town that will meet the needs for the future, has infrastructure to cope and is environmentally friendly enough to meet the criteria of future visitors.

I believe that there is no capability in Pattaya , Chonburi or even Thailand asa whole for this kind of work.

The fact that they are already talking about a piecemeal approach is getting of to a false start already

It seems to be a common misconception amongst the immigrant population here that the Thai tourist industry will at some point just take up where it left off.

In reality they need both infrastructure and customers. Whether or not they get government grants or loans if there is no business they are flogging a dead horse. Much will need to be rebuilt from scratch which will require investment and also a reconsidering of how the tourist industry will operate profitable given that \Covid in some form or other is with us forever.

52 minutes ago, Loiner said:

Euros and Remainers seem to keep banging on about Erasmus. Is that because it has got to be one of the EU's biggest non-agri scams?

 

Erasmus+ is the EU's programme to support education, training, youth and sport in Europe. Its budget of €14.7 billion will provide opportunities for over 4 million Europeans to study, train, and gain experience abroad.

 

Obviously something that the French exploit to the max, it appears to cost a fortune per student.

 

THere's someone who hasn't ever had an education!

Over a period of 20 years I found 5 days to be the right amount to avoid disappointment. She items took longer - a Christmas pud turned up in Feb/March after being posted in late November....still edible though.

Amazon sent an incorrect book order (most of theirs were 3 days after the initial oder took 5) and the corrected order took 24 hours

3 hours ago, vinny41 said:

You accept that the EU doesn't have money in its own right and what they are very good at is spending their members money

Example 28 members for the 2014-2020 for the Erasmus+ paid 16,474 billion euros if divided equally among 28 members  comes to 

approx 588.4 billion euros per country

https://ec.europa.eu/programmes/erasmus-plus/programme-guide/part-a/what-is-the-budget_en

the proposed  Erasmus+ budget for 2021-2028 is 26.2 billion euros  if divided equally among 27 members  comes to

approx 970.4  billion euros per country

https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/IP_20_2317

 

That is an extra 382 billion euros  for each of the 27 members

Now if it accepted that none of the remaining 27 members have increased their funding to support the EU spending spree

that means their is a shortfall of the 2021-2028 budget of 10,314 billion euros now it may be the case that France will pick up that tab as they use Erasmus+ the most

I should worry more about Boris' profligacy right now!

On 1/22/2021 at 4:22 AM, IvorBiggun2 said:

 Could you provide a link to that. I've Googled it and can't find it.

 

Same arrangement along the Canadian/US border. Works fine there as well.

Worked fine in the EU.....but now unlike in Tradedeals with US?Canada there are VAT bills to be paid as UK is no longer sharing a VAT system with EU.

BTW I've travelled from Canada to US by road and the customs immigration was horrendous. 

5 hours ago, Loiner said:

We don’t care about moaning musicians. If they are any good they can get a visa. 

We do care about free movement of labour and the end of euro migration into U.K.  

I think you'll find there is no way of gauging talent on a visa application....

Most gods bought in Uk are made abroad - for reasons of cost. The logistics set up over the last 3 decades involve free movement of all goods within EU. so distribution centres can be set up anywhere in the EU and then transported to destinations around the EU. UK is now outside that market so goods are subject to certain taxes, dories and fees when then go outside the EU. I paid VAT on goods coming from Thailand recently and it is now the same for any goods coming in from the EU regardless of source as the UK I no longer part of the EU-wide VAT system.

This applies to goods made both inside and outside the EU. People wanting to sell direct to the UK will need to set up a separate import system directly into the UK and pay VAT or any other duties on arrival.

3 hours ago, Tofer said:

 

The flaw is your huge display (correct grammar) of arrogance...

So at least you're not arguing with my premise..

It has bee shown that the bulk of Brexiteers are less educated than leavers and undoubtedly their critical thinking abilities are less developed. In fact most Brexiteers probably don't actually realise Tha critical thinking is a thing.

17 hours ago, bkkcanuck8 said:

I did not say you had food redundancy... a people redundancy - like many countries... to many people on the planet right now...

"Redundancy "? Please explain

6 hours ago, bkkcanuck8 said:

The delays in the lorries crossing the channel - was because of travel restrictions imposed December 20th and reopened DECEMBER 23rd.

 

This is more because of Brexit right now. 

 

Truck drivers are typically paid by the kilometer...  crossing the border and the paperwork (going both directions) is extremely slow (even with limited traffic due to non-perishables being stocked up).   Basically the truck drivers will lose money taking the UK shipping route rather than in the EU.... so it is highly likely many will just refuse to take the UK route.

 

And yes, you can blame the government for not having the deal in place early enough for businesses to become familiar with... what should have been taking place in the months up to the Brexit switchover date is dry runs where businesses would follow the new processes but only has a way of checking that everyone understood what was going on.  We have all sorts of preparedness drills -- this should have been no different.

Delays occur daily there is no delayed effect. 16000 trucks used to cross the channel even day - even though Jan is usually  the quietest time of year, transport at present is a pickle and the customs, lorry park Kent permit issuers etc can't cope.

Even when the dust settles crossing the channel will take an extra 2 to 8 hours each way.......this is paid for in the end by the man in the street. 

Trucks don't stop for 2 hours for free - you have goods and capital that have to be paid and touch drivers ON A HOURLY RATE. Furthermore they can no longer pick up and deliver goods in the EU so the profitability of many trips will be reduced.

All of this means less range of goods and more expensive goods in the stores

31 minutes ago, Hi from France said:

It does not allow the UK government to gamble with the health of millions of citizens. 

How do you think this represents a "gamble"?

26 minutes ago, Hi from France said:

well I have no authority on this, but AFAIK it's a complete gamble : the second jab in a vaccine is essentia

the second jab is part of the course. You were trying to say earlier that if it wasn't administered quickly the immunity would go away. This is not true - there is quite a long safe period - this even by medical scientists is just an educated guess. To suggest it is "essential" is true but it is not "essential to have immediately" there is leeway.

If you are suggesting either that millions of people won't be vaccinated or that millions of vaccines have been wasted, you'd be wrong..

I'd be more concerned in Countries like Thailand where poorly trained staff repeatedly transport, store and administer vaccines incorrectly - this is not without precedent in Thailand.

5 hours ago, vogie said:

From your source:

 

"Senior civil servants have said that a major problem is that some British firms have not been prepared for the new processes needed to ship to Northern Ireland."

 

 

"Thousands of lorries were delayed in crossing the English Channel when France imposed travel restrictions due to the spread of the variant coronavirus.

Some product limits have been placed on items at Asda as a result."

 

I hope you can see that whilst Brexit is getting blamed for everything and anything some people just seem to be misreading the situatation, whether intentionally or not. You cannot blame Brexit for other peoples incompetance, but some still do.

 

 

 

because Brexit IS to blame!

3 hours ago, bkkcanuck8 said:

The delays in the lorries crossing the channel - was because of travel restrictions imposed December 20th and reopened DECEMBER 23rd.

 

This is more because of Brexit right now. 

 

Truck drivers are typically paid by the kilometer...  crossing the border and the paperwork (going both directions) is extremely slow (even with limited traffic due to non-perishables being stocked up).   Basically the truck drivers will lose money taking the UK shipping route rather than in the EU.... so it is highly likely many will just refuse to take the UK route.

 

And yes, you can blame the government for not having the deal in place early enough for businesses to become familiar with... what should have been taking place in the months up to the Brexit switchover date is dry runs where businesses would follow the new processes but only has a way of checking that everyone understood what was going on.  We have all sorts of preparedness drills -- this should have been no different.

Absolute nonsense! Why on earth do you think drivers are paid by the mile? they are restricted by Tachos how far they can drive and have to take breaks - they get paid by the hour waiting at port......no respectable employer would pay their drivers this way. Simply, because it’s illegal

4 hours ago, vogie said:

From your source:

 

"Senior civil servants have said that a major problem is that some British firms have not been prepared for the new processes needed to ship to Northern Ireland."

 

 

"Thousands of lorries were delayed in crossing the English Channel when France imposed travel restrictions due to the spread of the variant coronavirus.

Some product limits have been placed on items at Asda as a result."

 

I hope you can see that whilst Brexit is getting blamed for everything and anything some people just seem to be misreading the situatation, whether intentionally or not. You cannot blame Brexit for other peoples incompetance, but some still do.

 

 

 

Brexit IS other people's incompetence!

6 minutes ago, Hi from France said:

Waiting 12 weeks is extremely dangerous as Immunity could go down down pretty fast after week 4.

 

Waiting more than 12 weeks is just suicidal, the vaccine simply becomes ineffective.

This is not actually accurate - the second booster shot stimulates B cell maturation which deepens and lengthens the type of immunity, but the initial jab continues to work......the "half-life" of the jabs is not  know or proven as yet but one can go by previous performance of other vaccines and draw conclusions. At the end of the day it is still not known how long 2 jabs will work........anything from yearly like flu or virtually lifetime like smallpox.

the pint is that protection IS achieved by the first jab and to say it will sharply decline is not proven and not necessarily the case