ThaiLover1

In a tidal wave emergency, all it would take is a phone call to the Chief of Police in Phuket - or the officer in charge - about the incoming tidal wave. The police would clean out the Patpong bars in no time at all.

The police in Phuket are very efficient at closing down bars at 1 am, so why could they not clean out the bars and streets in day time?! I am sure a multi-channel broadcast on the Phuket police radio system would save a few lives. Sirens and expensive alarm system may not be as effective as the local police.

The problem is the Thailand government did not get notified on the incoming disaster - although I feel sorry for the geologists that knew but did not call anyone. Read this article from Nation for more information:

Warning rejected to protect tourism

The fact that a tidal wave is a rare event is no excuse. We have had tidal waves warnings systems in the USA for years. Also, when the Word Trade building in New York was attacked we did not say it is such a rare event that we do not need to do anything. Lets find a better excuse for not building alert systems for tidal waves.

After the death of the King's grandson in Phuket - the most VIP family in Thailand with bodyguards and radio-phones, I know the Thailand government did not know the incoming disaster.

It is all very sad, and I feel for the people and the royal family.

David Booth of the British Geological Survey, said there was "no reason" why the Indian Ocean should not have had a warning system in place. "It's difficult to do it for the earthquake itself, but it's easier to do it for tsunamis".

Let's learn from the past. Some people are already doing something about it. Read more here:

Tsunami warning system calls grow

I just heard on CBC that the east coast of Africa was getting hit by the waves, and there were casualties. Has anyone heard about the Nicobar and Andaman Islands fared? They were right in the mouth of this Tsunami. 

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Yes, that is correct; the waves can travel across entire oceans - and WILL also reflect back and forth, just like water waves in a bath tub. Do not forget this! The tidal waves can take many days to die down.

It is all interesting physics, but my thoughts still go out to people that were hurt or killled. I understand that Thailand is a member of Tsunami Warning System, but somehow the communications from governments and local police must not be working very well. I am almost in tears.

Here is map from Reuters of the tidal waves in the "bath tub" of the Indian Ocean:

These water waves travel about the speed of a jet plane, but take many hours to reach distant countries. The waves slow down at the shallow water fronts (beaches) but can build to large heights (100 meters) and a wave period of an hour or two. See these link for more information:

Mega Tsunami

Savage Earth

It all depends on how the "plates" move. A sideways movement might make the ground shake, but it will do bugger all to the sea. This earthquate was quite a way out to sea. The "plates" moved up/down and displaced the sea bed from 10 to 30 metres, which as you can imagine would be impossible to predict. It is also not an exact Science at all.

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Yes, it is not exact science but the deadly results are very exact.

A tidal wave can be seen and felt, on the California side of the pacific ocean, 22 hours before it reaches Tokyo. There is no excuse for this poor communication. If it means finger-pointing, so be it. I am all for learning from the mistakes of the past to improve the future.

Here are at least some other scientists that are already calling for a better warning system:

"The catastrophic death toll in Asia caused by a massive tsunami might have been reduced had India and Sri Lanka been part of an international warning system designed to warn coastal communities about potentially deadly waves, scientists say."

from System might have reduced tsunami toll

How do you come to know what happened?... Who called who, and when...

Stop fantasizing and pointing fingers, please. You have no idea what you're talking about.

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The answer is simply Google News. It tells you all, within minutes of the event.

Try this link for further education:

Google News (tidal wave)

I would be REAL scared right now - if I was a geologist sitting in an earth-quake center that had something to do with reporting the earthquake. How could communications about the coming tidal wave be so absent?!

Why was the 8.9 Richter scale earthquake - with possible tidal wave - not announced to the Phuket/Thailand government, and all other neighbor countries!? It is not that hard to make a phone call.

The tidal wave took five hours to travel from the earthquake center in Jakarta to Phuket. Is that not enough time to make a phone call to someone in Thailand!?

This is a gross error on some geologist part. Many people are dead, and people could have walked to higher ground with an hour warning. The tidal wave was even seen hours before in other countries. Amazing...

Could some of the members post their experiences with arranging a fiancee visa for the US? The times are different from year to year. A few years ago it was only 3-4 months wait. Now I hear it is a lot longer.

I am interested to know the length of time - from start to finish; the time from starting the INS paperwork in the US until the fiancee is ready to travel.

Also, please share any other valuable (read: serious; no jokes) tips to speed things along with the process.

Thanks for the clarification that I need to go to the local Amphur (Civil Registry Office) fro the residence certificate.

The previous posts on this thread said to go to immigration. I basically wasted two afternoons of going to the Bangkok immigration office, following their advice. I guess this board is full of both good and bad advice.

I will try the local Civil Registry Office, next. My hopes are now high. (smile)

I went back the second time and talked to the superior at the BKK Immigration. She had four stars on her shoulders. She was very pleasant and yet very stern.

She gave me the same answer: I must stay at least 90 days before I can apply for a Certificate of Residence. It seems like a dead end.

I have no idea how you could have gotten your residence certificate so easy. Perhaps the laws have changed?

It is most confusing to get this mystery Certificate of Residence. Perhaps I was sent to the wrong the immigration department.

Do you remember what form you used when you files for the Certificate of Residence at the immigration? What documentation did they require - in addition to the form?

Here is the web page with related immigration forms. I tried filling out a TM.30 before arriving at the immigration office, but they told me I would only need to use a TM.47 after 90 days of living in Thailand. Could you take a look at this web page and tell me which form you used?

Immigration Residence Notifications

The Thai immigration said I need to go to the American Consulate to get the C of R. The bank (where I am trying to open a current account) said I needed a work permit. I then showed them their own bank web site that says I only need a Certificate of Residence. They then changed their story and told me I need to go to the Immigration Bureau. Eveyone is pointing in circles. This sure is Thailand...

Thanks for the tips guys.

However, I went to the immigration in BKK today, and I was told I need to stay in the country at least 90 days before I can get a Certificate of Residence. Is this correct, or am I missing someting here?

If you fail to see that my post, as well as your closed thread, reveal an underlying attitude that is offensive to many who read it, something is seriously amiss in your character.

Nice try, Stroll! I am not interested in a pissing contest.

You're on your own.

Stroll, thanks for showing an interest. Here are the answers to your questions:

1) Picking up another girl: I am not interested. I get all I need and more at home.

2) Fake Compliments: my GF has never said what you just said, and I am not waiting for it. If she does, I will give her the BIG Thailand smile.

3) Showering: in Thailand I shower many times a day - both before and after, on my own. It all depends on how many times I bang my GF or how sweaty I get from walking around outside.

Feel free to ask me any questions you like.

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u just take advantages

and all u left is just the self-biased rumour rubbish.

to show off COCK POWER?????

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GirlFromBar, "Cock Power" is not the issue; the issue is how many times the Thai girl says "no" before saying "yes". It is simple an attempt of understanding the finer details of smiling and friendly Thai women.

As you already know; men always do the chasing - and women do the mate selection, by saying "yes" or "no". Girls hold all the power, and can say no any time they like. They guys can not do anything much, unless the girl gives a clear signal she wants to be laid.

I am personally very interested to know if Thai girls are faster than their Western counter-parts. This is not bad or good; it is just information.

I think I am speaking for many other guys on this forum - where I come from, a girl is more desirable if she does not go to bed on the first or second date. But, that is outside of this topic.

My interest in Thai girl attitudes towards love and sex is not meant in a derogatory sense, but simple as a search for information, and learning what to expect with women from Thailand.

It may be that the culture is so different in Thailand and that sex is not restricted and taboo like in the West. I am only asking - not suggesting or trying to show negative behavior. I am still considering myself a student of Thailand people.

I have been with my Thai GF for almost a year now, and I am quite happy with her. I am also 100% faithful, despite some death-wishes and negative personal messages from some sick people on this board to the contrary.

I am not interested to join anyone in a show of "Cock Power", as you mentioned. It is just interesting to see the poll results on this topic. It shows some indication of Thai women attitudes:

Are Thai Girls Fast or Slow?

I will leave you decide what is means.

And, to anyone with more negative personal messages: lighten up! Vulgar language only comes into play when intelligence has run out.

In theory 'yes', Stroll, but I notice my argument went completely over the head of the OP - which is entirely to be expected; this is after all the Farang Pub - fun, food, entertainment and Expat life forum and most of the posters won't be wandering around in a philosophical cloud like me :-)

Dunno what would be an appropriate forum mind you, and as an newbie aspiring expat I'm not willing to take a lead either. But i'll be around lurking, ready to answer questions where appropriate.

I like what you have to say.

I suggest you start by copying the post from Tue 2004-06-15, 15:51:55, and start a new thread. I promise to join in with comments and questions.

This has been a fun thread.

Why would he want a GF of 50, when he can get one of 21?

Don't see Rod Stewart or Mick Jagger trying to pull birds of 60, do you?

Agreed.

I even remember that when I was in my 20s that I was disgusted at older men looking for and dating much younger girls. However, I changed my thinking as I become middle-aged.

I still like attractive girls. I still enjoy great sex, more than ever. I do not enjoy making love to an overweight soccer-mum (no offense). If I can enjoy a 20 something girlfriend, why not?!

Dondi,

A small tip for you young studs out there that think are have it all, or are complaning about older men going out with your sisters; I am a 50 year old man, and I do it longer, harder and more frequent than when I was 25. I frankly did not know what I was doing when I was 25.

Sex was pleasant in my 20s, but now I am in heaven and enjoy it so much more than in my younger years. I sometimes will not let my girl out of bed, all day. And, she seems very pleased too. Sometimes, she will ask for a time-out and she will get dressed and eat some food. But, sex is not the only thing. I just get a thrill out of watching her sleep or watch her eat an ice-cream. It is soooo romantic!

I do not mean to boast, but I will talk to you again when you reach your middle ages, my friend. You may have a few things to learn, yet.

Sorry, to talk to you like an elder, but I have seen many things over the years.

I myself with my background in East/West religious philosophy have tried very hard to utilise my intellect in these matters and have still made some absolutlely horrendous mistakes.

I appreciate this may not be of any immediate use to you but please at least be open to my suggestion that maybe her mind does work far more differently than you can imagine, and that if you are to understand her in her society then you have to make great efforts to open yourself to learn some very different unspoken ways of thinking.

I agree with you that this is an interesting subject, and that my GF may have some deep rooted differences, in her thinking.

However, my intent by using the label "right/wrong" was not one of religious overtones. It was simply using the words as experienced from a child, without any religious leanings.

There is a such a thing as an universal understanding of right or wrong. Even animals use it when following their instincts. And all humans from all cultures use it as a road for survival. Without an understanding or right and wrong, we would not be a living on this Earth. We would all have turned to dust from all the mischief.

Even a man/woman from Mars would know that cheating - plus lying about it - is wrong. A child knows what is right or wrong.

This is what I was referring to in an earlier post. Perhaps I should not use the word guilt, because of the Christian connections. My mistake - nothing more, nothing less.

The Buddhists know that cheating is wrong. They are not driven by guilt but call lust a “counterproductive emotion”. Cheating can be called anything you want, but the results are still the same: pain and suffering - whether Christian or Buddhist.

BTW, my GF is both Christian and Buddhist. She prays to God and offers flowers to Buddha. It is the most amazing thing to see. I just take it all in - it is all good.

Nobody wants cheating. Even the cheater knows it is wrong. Why else would he/she try to hide it, if it is a good action.

And why would you want to give your gf a second chance if you've come to this conclusion anyway?

One poll is only one test. You are right.

The poll is also not very scientific, and the wording is not accurate and clearly defined. It may lead people to respond in a certain misleading way. I also do not beleive people on this board represent an average of people of Thailand. In other words, this poll should be taken for what it is; a poll of people on this board only.

I decided to give my GF a second chance because I believe in miracles in love. Nothing more - nothing less. Call my stupid, in love, naive - or whatever. If the poll showed 99% of Thai girls are cheaters, I would still do the same - but I would be extremly careful.

I have always been the type that believes in making things go right - in business and in love, despite all odds. Sometimes I lose, but sometimes I win. This is just me.

More fool you if you think all Thai girls cannot be trusted. Second to that, only a fool would consider stereotyping a whole race.

I agree; everyone is different. However, we are talking about Statistics; you know the subject we all hated in college:

As a whole, 2/3 of Thai straight girls are unfaithful. This is clearly NOT everyone, but a majority.

It is a bit like saying 2/3 of the days in Seattle, Oregon are rainy. This does not mean that all days in Oregon are rainy. They also have sunny days in Seattle, Oregon. However, I would prefer living in San Diego where the statistics show there are more sunny days than Seattle.

Are we clear, now?

PS I would rather pick up a girl in a Thai shopping mall in KFC any day before picking up girls (both Western or Thai) in a bar. There is no comparison in terms of attitude.

If a girl wants to sleep with someone else, she will. You can't change that. If she doesn't, be happy. Thai or Western, if she wants to go, let her go.

I agree one can not stop a cheater from cheating, or a girl from wanting to find another BF. This is not the issue under discussion for this thread. (see title: Does Thailand Have Honest Straight Girls?)

The real issue then becomes: Can straight Thai girls be trusted?

I think it is clear from the responses, that Thai girls can not be trusted - and some say that this is similar to any other country.

I beg to differ. Some girls in other countries may also sleep around, but they are in the minority. From the poll in this thread it seems that 2/3 of straight Thai girls sleep around (read: cheat). This is a majority.

We know that some people commit murder, hate and violence in this world. This is already a know fact of life, and maybe it will never stop - because of a few sick people. I also know that Thai bar-girls can not be trusted, as soon as they open their mouths. The question remains; what about Thai straight girls? Are they any better? It seems they are not much different - in terms of majority.

I only started this thread to find out the degree of honesty of Thai straight girls, in matters of sex. The answer is now clear.

Hello Thailover1

How can you expect a person to be "faithful" in the Western definition when they have a different definition of the same concept. 

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This is an interesting post. Perhaps we should start a new thread - East versus West? And, I thought we were done with this thread!?

Yes, I agree that West and East are different in terms of culture. However, you can NOT convince me that people from East and West do not know the same meaning of "right" versus "wrong". We all tick the same way; cry, laugh - and cheat in the same way. No people from any country will say cheating is ok. Period.

We may have different excuses for cheating, but we all know it is wrong and not the preferred way of dealing with issues of the heart.

When someone says the Asian people have a different definition of faithfulness, they are really talking about Asian people having a different level of guilt. We all know cheating is wrong, but some people think it is more wrong than others. Nobody I have met says cheating is a positive action.

Perhaps the people in Asia has been so focused on survival (read: making money to buy food and shelter) that their guilt from lying, stealing and cheating has become more dulled than in the West.

I am not saying the Western way is the only way to survive – it is not. We all live in different cultures, but being decent seems to work better in any culture – from what I have experienced.

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Thanks guys and gals!

It has been fun and comments have been valuable. It showed me there are as many opinions as there are people. I appreciate it.

It seems that the majority of Thai straight girls can not be faithful (reading from both the poll results and the comments by the members). But then again; you can also say that a few Thai girls are faithful.

You have given me hope - even though the percentage of finding straight and faithful Thai girls is only about 1 in 3 (26% versus 49%).

Best of luck to everyone.

Here is another poll so we can compare sexual attitudes of Thai Straight Girls (women NOT working in the sex industry or selling sex for money) with male Farangs in Thailand.

It will be interesting to see what sex (male or female) is more likley to cheat or fool around.

Here is the poll for Do Straight Girls Cheat?

In previous posts you made reference to your success, now you claim to be a pauper...personally i think u r full of crap...............

Be honest and reveal who you really are, and what other name or names you use on this forum.

I speak the truth.

I was divorced 7 years ago, and left almost penniless without a car or house. I have since recovered and done well, but I am not rich. Thanks for the compliment though. (smile)

I consider health and happiness more important than money, and I would never trade one for the other.

PS. I do not have other usernames on this board.