myfriendu

Biased towards common sense.

bit more biased info,thing is iran might build a nuke it would take 3-4 years if everything went as planned.

now 4 years down the line if they did have one,why would they fire it off and destory the iran nation,

if they dont build one and israel has no right to strike with nukes for something that may or may not happen

Russia Today et al quoted Reuters and Afghani lawmakers who interviewed witnesses. What is the US military version relies on?

Walking 2 km is no big deal, that is what people recommend to cool off when you are angry. It was also not just shooting, but also dragging bodies into piles and burning them, it takes time, I figure.

Otoh, today I learned that Robert Bales could be suffering from PTSD, poor soul.

Probably some of the evidence will be based on the overhead videos taken from the blimps in the area. They might even tell us if one soldier left the compound or if 20 of them did. Whatcha think?

Uhh, how far did he allegedly drag these bodies? Were they sleeping in different bedrooms or were they sleeping communal style? Were they all in the same house or were they in 16 separate houses? Did he drag them from one village to the next? (If so, that 2 click walk might have taken awhile.)

My point in all this? You weren't there, I wasn't there, Reuters wasn't there, Russian TV wasn't there and I doubt if there were any Afghan lawmakers visiting the village that night.

Let the investigation run it's course, cut through all the bullshit that will be offered by Karzai's government and the military trying to cut their losses, and then have the discussion.

wait for fox news spin

Where has it been proven a weapon was fired in three different locations at the same time? Russian television, perhaps?

Only the facts on Russia Today.

What if it was indeed the work of 15-20 soldiers?

There's no way the military will admit to that, so far it's been confined to the findings of Afghanis and news outlets like "Russia Today" so it's as good as it has never happened, but if these findings break out in the open and US media has no choice but to report them, what will happen then? Perhaps Al Jazeera and a couple of UK newspapers will start the crack in the information war, perhaps not, but if Karzai himself goes public it will be impossible to hide.

Even that highly critical blog linked on the previous page assumes it was one guy who went into two houses then collected the bodies and tried to burn them. Two houses two kilometers apart. That just doesn't compute.

good post man,no excuse,maybe he trained with david copperfield,and transported himself two clicks away,ive seen it done with a jet on fox news so it must be true

Yeah, I agree with both of you. I don't think it is physically possible for a combat trained, well fit soldier to walk 2 kilometers either. At least not in one night.

I wager there was a donkey involved in here somewhere.

I tend to agree with the above post; Afghanistan for the Afgnanis. If screw-balls take over and forbid females from going to school, and if they reinstate honor killings and stoning for adultery or being gay, .....let 'em stew in their own juices.

If they export terrorism, perhaps US and/or other westerners go in there and carpet bomb a few insurgent rat nests.

The US doesn't have the moral high ground any more (if it ever did) - particularly if its occupying soldiers allow a deranged pal of theirs to go off base (solo or with a group) to randomly kill and burn 16 local civilians.

From a historical perspective: I can't recall a similar dynamic: where an occupying force allows one or more rogue soldiers to go out and kill civilians. I did hear of an incident where Moses commanded his allied group (the Assasins) to go and kill all the members of another Jewish group (women children babies) within his compound .....but that's a different scenario. I can't recall hearing about Roman Centurians ever doing something like that. If anyone can cite a historical precedence for Sgt. Bales' purported massacre, let me know. Wounded Knee in western US?

While it is obvious you have an intense distaste for this tragedy, your broad brush painting of the US and the US Military is hardly justified.

Were the actions of this individual tragic? Certainly.

Were the actions legal or morally correct? Not one bit.

Will the actions be investigated and will the alleged perpetrator be tried in a military court? Certainly.

Do we know the full story merely days after the incident? No.

Did the military "allow" (your word) the alleged shooter to take this action? Absolutely not.

Has the military taken action in similar cases where soldiers have broken laws? Yes.

Currently there are 89,000 US military in Afghanistan. ONE (1) of the 89,000 has taken it upon himself, allegedly, to do this act. I would say that is a pretty good crime rate for most cities to strive for. How about you?

Talk softly, but carry a big stick.

http://www.debka.com/article/21837/

Normally this site provides good information, but I tend to question the part where it says the US Navy has three carrier battle groups IN the Persian Gulf. With the bottleneck at the Straits of Hormuz, there would be no effective way out without suffering some losses.

The Fifth Fleet is normally there and if the other carriers are in the area, I doubt seriously if they are inside the Straits of Hormuz. The three US carriers have around 220 attack aircraft that can get to Iran in very short order if need be. There is no reason to expose three battle groups to a confined area like the Persian Gulf.

DEBKA File provides not only good but also precise information. i remember they forecasted an imminent "bunkerbusting raid" on Iran and even specified the day, something like "monday next week". that was approximately four years ago

them Eyerainians might be stupid. but they are not that stupid making the first step (e.g. mines in the Straits of Hormuz) to justify any action by the "international community". much more, even highly, likely is a staged "Gulf of Tongking" charade by a party which has relevant experience and practice.

'Mossad, CIA agree Iran has yet to decide to build nuclear weapon'

New York Times report quotes senior American officials who believe there is little disagreement between Israeli and U.S. intelligence over Iran’s nuclear program, despite calls for a strike by Israeli officials.

By Haaretz

http://www.haaretz.c...weapon-1.419300

So I guess the sanctions are to help them to continue to not decide.

iran wants peace,everyone else with nukes wants irans oil

All governments do what they wish and its the general public who end up feeling the pinch. The sanctions will hurt the people, the people in the government still get what they have been used to. The govt of Iran will not listen to the people nor will it consider what is happening to them. I am not sure the Russians or the Chinese would want to get involved and provoke the situation, whats in for them?Worth standing up to the West, for what? The West owes the Chinese lots of money for goods and depends on the Chinese for lots of goods, no cannot see the Chinese getting involved and the Russians do not seem to keen on supplying weapons to the Govt so Vetos are probably as far as they go.

The west Military option needs to be on the table but to be used only as a very last resort, if a way could be found for the Iranians to not lose face and fit in with the world community that would be a good option, the problem is that Iran does not like being told what to do by the rest of the world and to be honest if it were your country you would like it either would you, this is what needs resolving more than anything else I think.

In the meantime what of Israel a country that seems constantly at war with various factions? Utmost patience is required, their military option is always on the table, lets hope it stays there and a solution can be found, no one will benefit from raised temperatures or worse a conflict.

does sway me a bit

What if it was indeed the work of 15-20 soldiers?

There's no way the military will admit to that, so far it's been confined to the findings of Afghanis and news outlets like "Russia Today" so it's as good as it has never happened, but if these findings break out in the open and US media has no choice but to report them, what will happen then? Perhaps Al Jazeera and a couple of UK newspapers will start the crack in the information war, perhaps not, but if Karzai himself goes public it will be impossible to hide.

Even that highly critical blog linked on the previous page assumes it was one guy who went into two houses then collected the bodies and tried to burn them. Two houses two kilometers apart. That just doesn't compute.

There seems to be more uproar about this one incident than there ever was about all the afgan soldiers who went on rampages killing nato and Australian troops. Sure the guy did wrong and will pay for his actions so lets get back to the task at hand and that is destroying the Taliban.

remember a guy called bin ladan.

what should have happend is the guy who murdered all these women and kids while they were asleep in there homes and then set them on fire should have been handed over to the afgan state,end of story.

he acted out of the law was not on duty so this cruel person should be stoned to death hanged or what ever they do over there.

not flown back to the usa.

it would not happen if it was a afgan in the states,who did the same.

i rest my case.

I think some people see what you are saying, but don't necessarily agree with you.

I also see the concern about conspiracy theory, but at this point, what is being said is an opinion backed up with some information, and IMO that makes it speculation rather than a conspiracy.

Others may disagree on that point, but that's not exactly the topic of this thread.

in a perfect world no one wants to be the bad guy but letting each guy ,

have a take on things.

its a step forward good job we dont live there.

thank god.

but hope thing turn for the better.

From 1600GMT Swift banking facilities are to be withdrawn from Iran, so they will be cut off from the banking system. According to the BBC news today the Belguim based Swift will cut the link on saturday at 1600GMT. This will be a big wake up call, presumably the only way trade can be done will either be in goods, services or gold.

i wonder what will happen if any nation like russia or china trys to send food medical aid to help the iran nation,they will be attacked and murdered in open international waters,like the aid ferry from turkey.

some how i dont think so.

prey for the kids over there they always suffer

its time to talk and everyone knows it,take the view from iran they dont want taking over and bombing.

have iran started any wars lately.

they want to live in peace and sell oil to who they want,even not in$ good old india are not backing down.

china russia also having none of it. http://digitaljourna.../article/318404

Iran is supporting proxies which have been attacking Israel for years now. Israel has every reason to keep aggressive Iran, dedicated to the end of the Jewish state, as weak as possible. Iran also has no relations with the USA. Maybe we can hope someday that will improve, but not with their current regime.

they should have nukes if they want them,

If a million people say a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing.

Anatole France

expand on this,why not

Ok, Russia & China will just sit back, the are preparing for war privately. Check on Google, there is lots of words from Putin on Iran etc, fair enough he may not be threatening war. Iran is close to Russia's border, at very least they will be severely angry with any attack, Putin even says that the consequences could be "unimaginable" what he means by this is anyone's guess, a sequence of events could transpire that leads up to a bigger conflict, all the ingredients are certainly there.

What I mean by illegal nukes, Israel has them in the 100's they are undeclared,not regulated or inspected by the IAEA, this makes them illegal under international law. Whilst Iran is being hounded for a perception of acquiring nukes, how many countries has Iran attacked in the past 30 years, how many has Israel attacked?

My wording of imminent WW3 maybe a bit over the top, I admit that. When an attack does proceed it will turn very ugly very quickly. No-one can guess the outcome, both China and Russia have lots invested in Iran.

You mention trade with the EU-US-China, agreed, very important to all concerned. When it comes to the Middle East and war, trade, like many other things will go out the window. Asia (including China) will be the worst affected from oil supply disruption, sure they'll just keep quiet about that.

My point is..An attack on Iran has to many variables, lots of things can go wrong, including the possibility of a wider conflict, even a world war, yes it can happen! its not worth the risk on the assumption Iran will fire at Israel the moment it get the bomb.

Lets go through that again: China and Russia are preparing for war privately - and yet you can find their plans on Google. Astonishing :-). Yes, they said consequences will be "catastrophic", "unimaginable", "severe" etc. - where is the war threat here? Aren't those the consequences of most military actions?

As far as I know they did not deploy more units to the south or seriously increase their naval presence in the Gulf, Things could always escalate, sure, but so far they haven't. Not every conflict means impeding global doom.

Israel did not sign the same treaties as Iran, so still not sure how their alleged stockpile is "illegal". Then again, by these standards the USA also got something to answer for, and probably most other members (there were a few enlightening posts about it recently). Another way to look at things is that for over 30 years (or as a long as they had the capability for) Israel never threatened to eradicate anyone etc. You do get that quite a bit from Iran in one form or another, and they're just on threshold..

Anyway, I do think this is rather more about oil than it is about Israel. A nuclear Iran, coupled with the attitudes displayed by its leadership, might not be the best scenario as far as many countries go, not just Israel.

Oil. Lets say oil supply from Iran to China is disrupted. One can imagine there will be a queue of other oil producing countries waiving their hands in hope of netting that one. I'll be much surprised if they don't have a backup supplier lined up. Could be somewhat more complicated if other Gulf countries are effected,

but one way or another - this isn't going to last long. Iran's ability to (1) withstand a sustained attack from US/NATO is overrated, (2) economically survive without oil income is questionable (3) maintain a state of disrupted oil supply is low.

Economy does not "go out the window" when wars break, especially not when oil producing countries are involved.

China and Russia will not keep quiet. They are actually being quite vocal. But when push comes to shove, they can do diddly squat about it without risking much more than they can gain.

I am not sure China would be wanting to get mixed up in any conflict they have too much to lose as they supply most of the worlds consumer goods right now and also hold a lot of the worlds debt, its not in their interests to go head to head with the west, that does not mean the west should take it as the green light for action.

As far as Russia is concerned, Putin has his ego to boost, eventually he will swing round to the west, again this is not any green light.

Much as I dislike what is going on in Iran, restraint must be shown, they have learnt from history and hidden and protected what they are doing, if it is what we think they are doing or not, a strike will exact a counter strike that could be somewhere we dont expect with consequences we cannot therefore conceive, too many factors to put together, patience is required.

A few more key figures to leave the scene perhaps, some infrastructure failures perhaps?

if the shoe was on the other foot comes to mind, but wasted on the biased view coming out certain posters time and time again

Oh come on. This isn't a black and white debate. Of course there are good arguments against attacking NOW but that doesn't mean the threat automatically goes away. Bottom line is a nuclear Iran acceptable or not. Much of the world including the UK say NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

iran dont invade anyone or start wars,because they think they have wmd,s

time to leave them alone.

peace and no more kids killed sounds better to me

its time to talk and everyone knows it,take the view from iran they dont want taking over and bombing.

have iran started any wars lately.

they want to live in peace and sell oil to who they want,even not in$ good old india are not backing down.

china russia also having none of it. http://digitaljournal.com/article/318404

There are plenty of people in Intelligence who do not agree with what is one guy's opinion on rational.

even usa intelligence.http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/25/world/middleeast/us-agencies-see-no-move-by-iran-to-build-a-bomb.html

There are plenty of people in Intelligence who do not agree with what is one guy's opinion on rational.

even usa intelligence.http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/25/world/middleeast/us-agencies-see-no-move-by-iran-to-build-a-bomb.html

like ron paul says none of usa,s business.mccain should have a look in his own backyard and stop his troops killing kids and women while they sleep and setting them on fire which is a fact.

only thing will happen as always more kids and women will die because of airstrikes.

its the bigger picture here that most miss

they just going to far now,burning the korans,chopping off body parts and scalping the victims and taking photos of these acts,now killing kids.what would you think if it was happening in your country.

the one guy who they have caught is a 38 year old father of two.

i hope he is delt with by afgan courts.

1680 was gold entry , concern is the weekly engulfing candles.

Sold GBPUSD at 5726 still hold part position.

EU sold 3131.closed plus 39

AUDNZD sold at 1.2995 plus 100 at stop.

USDJPY bought at 80.02 plus 96 at stop

NZDUSD sold at 8159 minus 40

Sold EURCAD at 1.31500 plus 97 at stop

GBPCAD sold at 5660 plus 123 at stop.

The signal on all these trade came from a daily timeframe. excepy gold which was a 1hr.

i hope russia and the chinese stop the bombing of iran,its all a smoke screen.http://www.zerohedge.com/contributed/contrary-widespread-claims-there-no-evidence-iran-building-nuclear-weapon

good trading guys,nice call on the gu also paulo that u pm,d me