dickyknee

by that logic, it's a 5 year visa, why not wait 5 years? Or just not get a visa at all!

I'm sure TE would do away with the reports and the yearly stamps if they could.

The elite visa had to fit within the existing Immigration Act, (mods correct me if I'm wrong) which means maximum grant of stay of 1 year with 90 day reports. To make it anything other than that, they'd need to change the immigration Act.

Sorry, your logic is not my logic.

They want to make it more comfortable so for me that would be more comfort.

If a law has to be changed, so change it.

who's they? TE? ThaiVisa? Me?None of us can appease your demand to change the immigration act for the sole reason of your "comfort".

What would happen if PE visa holders didn't bother doing 90-day reports and only left the country once a year to get another year's permission to stay?

Are there any reports of PE visa holders / Thai Elite members getting fined for not doing their 90-day reports?

Why would you do such a thing?

Just to break the rule?

For that kind of money, it should be, that I can either at least only one time a year show myself at the Immigration in Thailand or at a border leaving-entering the country.

That would be enough to, in my opinion.

by that logic, it's a 5 year visa, why not wait 5 years? Or just not get a visa at all!

I'm sure TE would do away with the reports and the yearly stamps if they could.

The elite visa had to fit within the existing Immigration Act, (mods correct me if I'm wrong) which means maximum grant of stay of 1 year with 90 day reports. To make it anything other than that, they'd need to change the immigration Act.

To get a motorcycle licence (no motorcycle endorsement on home country license) does one need to actually bring a bike to the Hang Dong facility for practical test?

yep.

“The problem was that water management then was in the hands of politicians not the professionals,” said Mr Niphon.

A problem that's not isolated to water management

The charges are two-fold:

- compensation payments of 7.5 million baht made to families of protesters who died during political unrest between 2005 and May 2010 was excessive.

- a conflict of interest existed in Yingluck's government approving the payment as many of the recipients were red shirts who supported her government.

The only rationale for these charges is political bias.

the only rationale for the payments was political bias.

The only rationale for the 2010 unrest was political bias.

Yep, so obviously only the political pot can call political kettle black.

Excuse after excuse after excuse.. it's time Prayuth practiced what he preached about removing those who didn't meet the required standards from their positions.

Doesn't he realise he's just admitted that his machines don't detect weapons, that tend to be used in hijackings more often than bombs do!!! Ineptitude at the highest level.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_aircraft_hijackings

Maybe, but recent history would say bombs/cutting/stabbing objects tend to get used more.

just want to check the conclusion, to spell it out for the slower amongst us, such as myself, is the whole 20 year visa thing a scam?

not a scam, but if you add the numbers, tourist visa is much cheaper.

I won't argue with elite members who don't like to travel and prefer to stay home and bar all day long .... their free Limo rides are useless as they don't have to travel anymore.

most of these "elites" are in a well chair due to bad blood circulation.

they even need a golf cab to extract them off the plane and can not lift by hand their passport to officers. they need to be fully assisted by Thai ladies.

Joe go pick up his elite card :

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most elite members do travel, just not to get another short term tourist visa in a cramped minibus across the border.

They do it for business and recreation... Frequently, on their own terms, and more frequently than short term visa abusers because it's not done for the sole reason immigration requires the tourist visa abusers to get out.

They can come and go as their life requires, as the elite visa has unlimited entries, tourist visas are are not well suited for the frequent traveller, they're actually the worst option available!

You won't get anyone here to admit that that there is no visa for you. The Thailand Elite is a waste of money and could be reset at any moment like its last incarnation.

I'm not sure what you mean by reset. original members either still possess the original elite visa, or took the offer and changed to the current elite visa offering. that's very reassuring for those who purchased into the current program for the visa.

Lumpini is selling their furnished 32sqm beach view unit on 31st floor for 2.1 million. This is not your usual green loso Lumpini, but rather a luxury development with the added peace of of mind bonus as Lumpini always stand behind their product. So it's far from 2 for 1 and i wish Gerry would get banned for trolling all the time.

In the Thailand Elite threads it is other people's posts that are deleted by moderators... Not mine

I am sure you know who I mean.

I can very well understand that Thailand Elite haters do not appreciate Thailand Elite members correcting misleading and false information posted about the program on this forum. It must be somewhat disturbing indeed.

There are two conflicting approaches.

On one side, a (very small) group does everything possible to criticize Thailand Elite.

On the other side, Thailand Elite members post comments about how pleased they are about the program and how convenient long term visa is.

These two approaches can produce some frictions, indeed. But this is a normal thing. It is going on like this since 13 years, when the program was initiated. And the program is still going on and on... To the displeasure of some, obviously.

Now, to speak about your Lumpini example... About which you speak quite positively, for a change.

You seem to like that development.

A "rather luxurious development" (arf), a company "standing behind their product" (I trust what you say, I never heard about that company), ... It looks like a place you would find yourself comfortable in, apparently.

Now, imagine that Lumpini offers the condo on the 31st floor (your example) not for 2.1, but for 3.1 million, together with a 20 years Thailand Elite membership (worth 2 million) ...

In that case, ... , just by bringing the Thailand Elite subject into the picture, you are going to also hate that company, and start to spit all the bad you think about that project too, same as with Kingdom Property and Southpoint Pattaya,... right?

If you have no intention about trolling this thread then answer the following questions.

- Is this thread about the benefits of the Elite visa or about a dubious developer with a stalled project offering the visa together with the purchase of a condo?

- Has the elite program been temporary suspended early 2009 and members refused renewal of their visa or not?

- Is the email which Kerryd received from Thailand Elite and where they said that the individual membership for property Co program is suspended a hoax?

- Are posts in the Elite thread removed for any other reason than that you keep reporting them because you don't want the truth to be known?

- Why you keep hijacking every thread where the name Elite is mentioned, however the topic of those threads have nothing to do with the benefits of the card?

- Where in this thread has the Elite card itself, rather than the advertising by the known dubious developer, been pictured as a scam?

Failing to answer these question will confirm that your only intention is indeed trolling, but we knew that for a long time already.

the answer to your first question resides in your second question.

It's obviously about the elite visa, otherwise the second question is trolling.[emoji3]

"At this moment, New Zealand has not given us any reply at all," Gen. Prayuth told reporters."

Probably because it's now the weekend.

I know you are directing your comments at me, but do I state facts or not.

Why you still insist to spread the lie that the Thailand elite program is ongoing for 13 years without any problems.

I have posted the facts in the post above yours, and I have many more ready to post.What happened in the past can happen again in the future, and nobody gonna refund you the lost money.

Why you refuse to answer my question? It sounds that you only want the positives to be known to the public, but are persistent on hiding the negatives.

@Anthony5: Apart from the concerns about the condo developer which I can understand, what are your concerns about the TE visa?

Isn't it good that this option exists, both for Thailand and the visa holders who choose this option?

I have no issue with TE visa, but everyone should know that what a certain TE propagandist on this forum tries to hide, is that the program was suspended in the past and can be suspended again on a whim in the future.

So spreading false information on this forum that Elite visa is a safe bet, and there have been no problem during it 12 year existence, is as far from the truth as saying it snows in Chiangmai.

thanks for this. Suspended means that the visa wasn't offered to new buyers anymore but existing visa holders were not impacted, right?

No, if you look at the link in post #160 which is the letter Elite sent to their members, you will know that early 2009 EXISTING members didn't get their visa renewed,

Here is some more information regarding that issue.

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/235788-thailand-elite-program-is-dying-special-entry-visa-suspended/

I got suspended once, in the local competition. The umpires were biased to one side, and after the second whack to the head

Yet...

Post fallout, which was the period of the original SE visa...

2013 and the original members were offered to continue the original offer of the SE or change to the PE visa.

It continues, it never stopped, but stalled interim. Now there is a clause in the "terms and conditions" that protects members against this "scam" as you related earlier. 2.4(3) & 2.4(4) for your reference.

No idea what you are babbling about 2013, but the program suspension was January 2009, and members were DENIED a visa renewal. No SE or PE visa existed at that time.

Which part of the letter sent to their members you don't understand? They were lucky they got the program re-approved at that time, but it could have been different. Terms and conditions that are changed after the event are figs after Easter.

yeah, my battery went dead in my phone before I could finish my post, yet it posted somehow.

Anyways, original members still have their membership. The rest is history.

So it didn't happen then, same as WW I and WW II didn't happen because the world still exist?

They were lucky they got things solved at that time, but you know that the past is no guarantee for the future, and the current government is more than keen to bury all Thaksins brainchilds whenever they get the opportunity.

You will also have noticed that the current government are not so much foreigner friendly, so just wait and see, because they are here for some more years.

i didn't say that.

The rest is speculative scaremongering.

I know you are directing your comments at me, but do I state facts or not.

Why you still insist to spread the lie that the Thailand elite program is ongoing for 13 years without any problems.

I have posted the facts in the post above yours, and I have many more ready to post.What happened in the past can happen again in the future, and nobody gonna refund you the lost money.

Why you refuse to answer my question? It sounds that you only want the positives to be known to the public, but are persistent on hiding the negatives.

@Anthony5: Apart from the concerns about the condo developer which I can understand, what are your concerns about the TE visa?

Isn't it good that this option exists, both for Thailand and the visa holders who choose this option?

I have no issue with TE visa, but everyone should know that what a certain TE propagandist on this forum tries to hide, is that the program was suspended in the past and can be suspended again on a whim in the future.

So spreading false information on this forum that Elite visa is a safe bet, and there have been no problem during it 12 year existence, is as far from the truth as saying it snows in Chiangmai.

thanks for this. Suspended means that the visa wasn't offered to new buyers anymore but existing visa holders were not impacted, right?

No, if you look at the link in post #160 which is the letter Elite sent to their members, you will know that early 2009 EXISTING members didn't get their visa renewed,

Here is some more information regarding that issue.

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/235788-thailand-elite-program-is-dying-special-entry-visa-suspended/

I got suspended once, in the local competition. The umpires were biased to one side, and after the second whack to the head

Yet...

Post fallout, which was the period of the original SE visa...

2013 and the original members were offered to continue the original offer of the SE or change to the PE visa.

It continues, it never stopped, but stalled interim. Now there is a clause in the "terms and conditions" that protects members against this "scam" as you related earlier. 2.4(3) & 2.4(4) for your reference.

No idea what you are babbling about 2013, but the program suspension was January 2009, and members were DENIED a visa renewal. No SE or PE visa existed at that time.

Which part of the letter sent to their members you don't understand? They were lucky they got the program re-approved at that time, but it could have been different. Terms and conditions that are changed after the event are figs after Easter.

yeah, my battery went dead in my phone before I could finish my post, yet it posted somehow.

Anyways, original members still have their membership. The rest is history.

I know you are directing your comments at me, but do I state facts or not.

Why you still insist to spread the lie that the Thailand elite program is ongoing for 13 years without any problems.

I have posted the facts in the post above yours, and I have many more ready to post.What happened in the past can happen again in the future, and nobody gonna refund you the lost money.

Why you refuse to answer my question? It sounds that you only want the positives to be known to the public, but are persistent on hiding the negatives.

@Anthony5: Apart from the concerns about the condo developer which I can understand, what are your concerns about the TE visa?

Isn't it good that this option exists, both for Thailand and the visa holders who choose this option?

I have no issue with TE visa, but everyone should know that what a certain TE propagandist on this forum tries to hide, is that the program was suspended in the past and can be suspended again on a whim in the future.

So spreading false information on this forum that Elite visa is a safe bet, and there have been no problem during it 12 year existence, is as far from the truth as saying it snows in Chiangmai.

thanks for this. Suspended means that the visa wasn't offered to new buyers anymore but existing visa holders were not impacted, right?

No, if you look at the link in post #160 which is the letter Elite sent to their members, you will know that early 2009 EXISTING members didn't get their visa renewed,

Here is some more information regarding that issue.

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/235788-thailand-elite-program-is-dying-special-entry-visa-suspended/

I got suspended once, in the local competition. The umpires were biased to one side, and after the second whack to the head

Yet...

Post fallout, which was the period of the original SE visa...

2013 and the original members were offered to continue the original offer of the SE or change to the PE visa.

It continues, it never stopped, but stalled interim. Now there is a clause in the "terms and conditions" that protects members against this "scam" as you related earlier. 2.4(3) & 2.4(4) for your reference.

I was warned early on about the karaoke bars in CM. I am curious about a couple of things tho. How did they recognize the Tuk Tuk driver at 6am (and after several beers) and why was he (the driver) still waiting around for hours? The attacking the driver seems a bit sketchy to me, especially when you combine the additional drivers getting involved and then the bouncers coming in and stabbing one while the other is being beaten. But hey, you get what you pay for.

Tuk Tuk driver gets a percentage of the take, he was waiting outside to collect his fee from the bar.

(amazed how green some of the posters on this thread are, hard to believe you've ever visited Thailand)

Condescension aside, it seems that he was waiting a long time to get his money from the bar. The Thais I know get paid a flat fee for steering people to businesses and the percentage (if any) is settled up later.

It is standard procedure at scam businesses like this, that the tuk tuk drivers gets a percent and they wait around until after to take them home and make sure they get the right cut. Happens with the seafood restaurant scam in Bangkok, and with the Karoake bar scam in Chiang Mai. The tuk tuk driver's cut will be thousands of baht, just depends on hwo much they can scam the tourists for. He has to be there to drive them to an ATM, most people don't carry 40,000 cash on them.

the tuktuk drivers solicit the scam, they're not just steering customers, they hang about LoiKroh offering to take punters to pretty girls.

May I also jump in?

Warren Buffett would not need to queue at immigration, because at his age he could get an extension based on retirement for a whopping 1900 Baht a year, and he wouldn't even have the inconvenience to leave his place to make 90 day reports, like all those Elite card holders, because he could do it online.

And for his extensions once a year, he could just engage an agent, similar as the Elite card holders do. Only I think his agent wouldn't charge him 100.000 Baht a year to do that.

Now to remind you again, this thread is NOT about the elite visa. You already have your numerous threads to promote Thailand Elite where you report all posts that aren't to your liking, so please stay on topic.

This thread is about a developer in bad papers who tries to lure customers to pay 1.000.000 Baht within 15 days after signing the contract for a dog cage 30m² studio, who then have to wait for the construction to finish ( if it ever finish taken in account the dubious reputation of Mr Cornick in Thailand) for then have the Elite card company to consider the approval.

And going from Kerry's post, it seems that the program Mr Cornick offers isn't even approved by Thailand Elite, so we all know what the consideration from Thailand Elite will be several years after the "victims" got separated from their hard earned savings.

curious, I don't have a non-imm visa so I'm foreign to the process, but can I ask - to stay, it's cheap with a retirement visa, but for a frequent traveller, is a re-entry permit required every time one wishes to depart if residing on a retirement visa? Would they have to go to immigration and queue for that?

And let me also jump in, if the elite visa is so OT, stop walking through the OT door then try slam it shut on everybody else when they try walk through it also.

Btw, it says "elite visa" in the OP, and indicated in the title also, in case you missed that.

If you travel a lot you purchase a multiple entry together with your extension. and never have to queue.Every time you enter you get a new stamp.

But of course the main advantage of having a retirement visa is that for your 90 day reports, you don't have to travel to the Elite office 8 times a year. 4 times to bring your passport and another 4 times to go pick up your passport.

You do it all from the convenience of your own desk while posting on Thaivisa.

Oh and I always see those guys that get picked up at the gate and driven by golf cart to immigration. I always consider they must have one or another deficiency that makes them unable to walk alone. I would shame myself if someone looked at me like that.

for those that utilise the elite visa that travel frequently, all that complicated speak is static noise that they don't have to care about. 90 day reports are irrelevant, re-entry permits irrelevant! That is what makes the visa attractive..

There is a cart service for people that require it, but the elite service is different.

The last time I was driven from the gate, I'm glad my wife wasn't with me as permission to utilise that service might have been revoked! What a stunner, the most beautiful girl in the room all dolled up to greet me at the gate... The looks I got from fellow passengers disembarking ( or should I truthful say " she got" from the passengers)! But let's not that distract from the service though. "Whisked" I think is the term they use to describe the journey from gate to immigration, being the first person from the flight to pass immigration is the truth.

Is the OT door open or closed?

You know i already made clear that I have no intention to feed the troll, but what is an OT door? Is it Open Troll door or something.

Now please have a look at my other post.

There are no Elite cards on offer in this project, since Elite cards are only available to natural foreign persons. And since the developer has declared that more than 70% of the project is sold already, one of 2 buildings is sold 100%, there is no foreign quota available anymore.

No foreign quota means no eligible Elite card candidates.

This advertisement smells as big a scam as the Elite program is.

By the way, aren't you the member that ran a building quality control company in Pattaya a few years ago, or is that another Dickyknee?

BYE.

no I'm not. Curiously why does that matter?

May I also jump in?

Warren Buffett would not need to queue at immigration, because at his age he could get an extension based on retirement for a whopping 1900 Baht a year, and he wouldn't even have the inconvenience to leave his place to make 90 day reports, like all those Elite card holders, because he could do it online.

And for his extensions once a year, he could just engage an agent, similar as the Elite card holders do. Only I think his agent wouldn't charge him 100.000 Baht a year to do that.

Now to remind you again, this thread is NOT about the elite visa. You already have your numerous threads to promote Thailand Elite where you report all posts that aren't to your liking, so please stay on topic.

This thread is about a developer in bad papers who tries to lure customers to pay 1.000.000 Baht within 15 days after signing the contract for a dog cage 30m² studio, who then have to wait for the construction to finish ( if it ever finish taken in account the dubious reputation of Mr Cornick in Thailand) for then have the Elite card company to consider the approval.

And going from Kerry's post, it seems that the program Mr Cornick offers isn't even approved by Thailand Elite, so we all know what the consideration from Thailand Elite will be several years after the "victims" got separated from their hard earned savings.

curious, I don't have a non-imm visa so I'm foreign to the process, but can I ask - to stay, it's cheap with a retirement visa, but for a frequent traveller, is a re-entry permit required every time one wishes to depart if residing on a retirement visa? Would they have to go to immigration and queue for that?

And let me also jump in, if the elite visa is so OT, stop walking through the OT door then try slam it shut on everybody else when they try walk through it also.

Btw, it says "elite visa" in the OP, and indicated in the title also, in case you missed that.

If you travel a lot you purchase a multiple entry together with your extension. and never have to queue.Every time you enter you get a new stamp.

But of course the main advantage of having a retirement visa is that for your 90 day reports, you don't have to travel to the Elite office 8 times a year. 4 times to bring your passport and another 4 times to go pick up your passport.

You do it all from the convenience of your own desk while posting on Thaivisa.

Oh and I always see those guys that get picked up at the gate and driven by golf cart to immigration. I always consider they must have one or another deficiency that makes them unable to walk alone. I would shame myself if someone looked at me like that.

for those that utilise the elite visa that travel frequently, all that complicated speak is static noise that they don't have to care about. 90 day reports are irrelevant, re-entry permits irrelevant! That is what makes the visa attractive..

There is a cart service for people that require it, but the elite service is different.

The last time I was driven from the gate, I'm glad my wife wasn't with me as permission to utilise that service might have been revoked! What a stunner, the most beautiful girl in the room all dolled up to greet me at the gate... The looks I got from fellow passengers disembarking ( or should I truthful say " she got" from the passengers)! But let's not that distract from the service though. "Whisked" I think is the term they use to describe the journey from gate to immigration, being the first person from the flight to pass immigration is the truth.

Is the OT door open or closed?

Poor little man who has to pay 2 million to get 5 minutes attention from a beautiful Thai girl!!

I joined the elite program for the freedom of the visa, but if you do desire a concierge waiting at the gate every time you disembark, it costs! Me personally, I think it's nice, but I'd still have joined if that service wasn't available.

May I also jump in?

Warren Buffett would not need to queue at immigration, because at his age he could get an extension based on retirement for a whopping 1900 Baht a year, and he wouldn't even have the inconvenience to leave his place to make 90 day reports, like all those Elite card holders, because he could do it online.

And for his extensions once a year, he could just engage an agent, similar as the Elite card holders do. Only I think his agent wouldn't charge him 100.000 Baht a year to do that.

Now to remind you again, this thread is NOT about the elite visa. You already have your numerous threads to promote Thailand Elite where you report all posts that aren't to your liking, so please stay on topic.

This thread is about a developer in bad papers who tries to lure customers to pay 1.000.000 Baht within 15 days after signing the contract for a dog cage 30m² studio, who then have to wait for the construction to finish ( if it ever finish taken in account the dubious reputation of Mr Cornick in Thailand) for then have the Elite card company to consider the approval.

And going from Kerry's post, it seems that the program Mr Cornick offers isn't even approved by Thailand Elite, so we all know what the consideration from Thailand Elite will be several years after the "victims" got separated from their hard earned savings.

curious, I don't have a non-imm visa so I'm foreign to the process, but can I ask - to stay, it's cheap with a retirement visa, but for a frequent traveller, is a re-entry permit required every time one wishes to depart if residing on a retirement visa? Would they have to go to immigration and queue for that?

And let me also jump in, if the elite visa is so OT, stop walking through the OT door then try slam it shut on everybody else when they try walk through it also.

Btw, it says "elite visa" in the OP, and indicated in the title also, in case you missed that.

If you travel a lot you purchase a multiple entry together with your extension. and never have to queue.Every time you enter you get a new stamp.

But of course the main advantage of having a retirement visa is that for your 90 day reports, you don't have to travel to the Elite office 8 times a year. 4 times to bring your passport and another 4 times to go pick up your passport.

You do it all from the convenience of your own desk while posting on Thaivisa.

Oh and I always see those guys that get picked up at the gate and driven by golf cart to immigration. I always consider they must have one or another deficiency that makes them unable to walk alone. I would shame myself if someone looked at me like that.

for those that utilise the elite visa that travel frequently, all that complicated speak is static noise that they don't have to care about. 90 day reports are irrelevant, re-entry permits irrelevant! That is what makes the visa attractive..

There is a cart service for people that require it, but the elite service is different.

The last time I was driven from the gate, I'm glad my wife wasn't with me as permission to utilise that service might have been revoked! What a stunner, the most beautiful girl in the room all dolled up to greet me at the gate... The looks I got from fellow passengers disembarking ( or should I truthful say " she got" from the passengers)! But let's not that distract from the service though. "Whisked" I think is the term they use to describe the journey from gate to immigration, being the first person from the flight to pass immigration is the truth.

Is the OT door open or closed?

You never seem to stop promoting the visa Gerry?

I will repeat myself like a broken record.

Would Warren Buffet consider this visa a good value? Would Warren Buffet buy a condo in Thailand?

There is a difference between rich and stupid.

"Would Warren Buffet consider this visa a good value? Would Warren Buffet buy a condo in Thailand?"

Well, what's the answer to your 2 questions then? I mean the answer, not your useless speculation about what you think Buffett may or may not do.

"There is a difference between rich and stupid."

Isn't there just? Buffett is an investor and "buffet" describes a method of serving food.

May I jump in?

Not sure what Warren Buffet would do, but what I know is that he (and countless other people) would never want to queue at immigration. So, after all, he may like the Thailand Elite visa

And for the highly reasonable price of 2,000,000 (baht), it must seem to him like less than 1/100th of the most microscopic part of a peanut. Not even worth to mention.

The PE visa is priceless anyway.

And to come back to the condo story, I never bought a condo in Thailand, so I guess I belong to the smart ones, right?

Strange, some here seem to think otherwise. For the only reason that I am a Thailand Elite member. That's a bit contradictory.

Well, I was smart to get a Thailand Elite card 12 years ago, that's for sure

All these endless arguments are rather entertaining.

So, did anybody buy one of these condos and got a full Thailand Elite membership at the same time?

I am curious to know

May I also jump in?

Warren Buffett would not need to queue at immigration, because at his age he could get an extension based on retirement for a whopping 1900 Baht a year, and he wouldn't even have the inconvenience to leave his place to make 90 day reports, like all those Elite card holders, because he could do it online.

And for his extensions once a year, he could just engage an agent, similar as the Elite card holders do. Only I think his agent wouldn't charge him 100.000 Baht a year to do that.

Now to remind you again, this thread is NOT about the elite visa. You already have your numerous threads to promote Thailand Elite where you report all posts that aren't to your liking, so please stay on topic.

This thread is about a developer in bad papers who tries to lure customers to pay 1.000.000 Baht within 15 days after signing the contract for a dog cage 30m² studio, who then have to wait for the construction to finish ( if it ever finish taken in account the dubious reputation of Mr Cornick in Thailand) for then have the Elite card company to consider the approval.

And going from Kerry's post, it seems that the program Mr Cornick offers isn't even approved by Thailand Elite, so we all know what the consideration from Thailand Elite will be several years after the "victims" got separated from their hard earned savings.

curious, I don't have a non-imm visa so I'm foreign to the process, but can I ask - to stay, it's cheap with a retirement visa, but for a frequent traveller, is a re-entry permit required every time one wishes to depart if residing on a retirement visa? Would they have to go to immigration and queue for that?

And let me also jump in, if the elite visa is so OT, stop walking through the OT door then try slam it shut on everybody else when they try walk through it also.

Btw, it says "elite visa" in the OP, and indicated in the title also, in case you missed that.

I met these two on the weekend. The father is a real lad, cheeky and outgoing, he is not very tall, the son just turned 18, skinny and quiet

and he already had a black eye.

Dad was showing him the adult world for his birthday present. Dad was really eager for the boy to do it all.

Dad would have spoiled the boy in the Karaoke for a few hours, expecting a bill for under 5KB. From the many guys I know that have been

stung at these Karaokes I expect the bill would have been a shocking 70 thousand give or take 20K.

Dad would have left the Karaoke with the son and bouncers to withdraw at the 7/11 ATM then possibly had no money available or decided to front the gangsters.

they were being beaten up but luckily got away before they were pulp. I'll bet when the ambulance took them 200m to the hospital they thought the

mob would find them there and finish the job. Dad did the smart thing and fled to another hospital in a tuk tuk.

The no shirt in a temple, hey, they were in a fight, shirts get ripped. maybe he did use it to stop the bleeding.

Yes, a pair of Aussie yobs they were but Chiang Mai shouldn't be damaging its reputation allowing these Karaokes to continue.

dad was a bit ocker, son was a bit shy. Both very nice people, and polite.

My impression was dad had been to Thailand before, though not Chiang mai, not realising the jet-ski scam exists also where there is no jet skis.

I'm not sure the son already had a black eye, I thought it was a port wine stain.

Thailand Elite still hasn't responded to my email asking for clarification on what they consider to be "property" (with regards to the Thailand Individual Membership for Property Co-Project - http://www.thailandelite.com/factsheet/Property%20Co-Project_Factsheet_English.pdf program option).

Somehow I don't think I'll ever actually get an answer any ways.

So according to this article, it looks like they are selling 2 million baht condos (their cheapest units) for 3 million and including the TE card (with it's 1 million baht membership fee) in the price. It also sounds like they have either agreed to pay the 20,000 baht annual fee or have made a deal with TE to have it waived (most likely it will be recouped through the condo maintenance fees).

(Remember - the "Thailand Individual Membership for Property Co-Project" option is only a 1 million baht membership fee.)

2 million baht for a 30 sqm studio condo plus 1 mil more for the TE card. (Add in whatever the monthly/yearly condo maintenance fees will be.)

Hmmmm, 2 bedroom house (128 sqm) on the Darkside - 1.5 mil. Throw in another 500k for the "Easy Access" TE card. Put the extra mil in the bank - should be able to earn enough interest to easily cover the 20k annual fee.

(Of course the difference is you probably can get the condo in your name, unlike the house, as long as the 49% rule hasn't been reached yet.)

full 20 year membership is 2mil, not 1. The easy access is only 1 5 year visa, and no annual fee.

Edit

The co project thing seems to only exist as a pdf on the website. It'll be interesting to know if someone has ever got one.

You may have missed what is written in the OP.

“The deal is clear, Our entry level is around THB3 million including the visa, and there are no annual fees to pay.”

He added that his company has negotiated the package with Thailand Elite, which is fully owned by the Tourism Authority of Thailand. While the details of the agreement remain confidential, Cornick confirmed that should a buyer wish to add another person to the card there will be an extra THB500,000 to pay to Thailand Elite.

So what you get is a 5 year visa included, and the buyer is responsible for the renewal fees, or do you think that they would give an additional 2 million visa away for 500K?

I did miss it. I'm not sure how many times "20 year visa" was written (it may have even been in the title) and how many times "5 year visa" was written by the OP, but I'll take your word for it.

Thailand Elite still hasn't responded to my email asking for clarification on what they consider to be "property" (with regards to the Thailand Individual Membership for Property Co-Project - http://www.thailandelite.com/factsheet/Property%20Co-Project_Factsheet_English.pdf program option).

Somehow I don't think I'll ever actually get an answer any ways.

So according to this article, it looks like they are selling 2 million baht condos (their cheapest units) for 3 million and including the TE card (with it's 1 million baht membership fee) in the price. It also sounds like they have either agreed to pay the 20,000 baht annual fee or have made a deal with TE to have it waived (most likely it will be recouped through the condo maintenance fees).

(Remember - the "Thailand Individual Membership for Property Co-Project" option is only a 1 million baht membership fee.)

2 million baht for a 30 sqm studio condo plus 1 mil more for the TE card. (Add in whatever the monthly/yearly condo maintenance fees will be.)

Hmmmm, 2 bedroom house (128 sqm) on the Darkside - 1.5 mil. Throw in another 500k for the "Easy Access" TE card. Put the extra mil in the bank - should be able to earn enough interest to easily cover the 20k annual fee.

(Of course the difference is you probably can get the condo in your name, unlike the house, as long as the 49% rule hasn't been reached yet.)

full 20 year membership is 2mil, not 1. The easy access is only 1 5 year visa, and no annual fee.

Edit

The co project thing seems to only exist as a pdf on the website. It'll be interesting to know if someone has ever got one.

Sorry if you believe that I have been spreading mis-information (sic). What I intended to say and believed that I had said was that the earth rotated 365.242 times per year (on its own axis) while rotating once around the sun (one year). Thus we have 365.242 revolutions of the earth per year relative to the sun - during one solar year. However, if one were to observe this from another solar system, the earth makes 366.242 sidereal revolutions. .

Both cannot be true. It is a matter of your point of reference. If you are looking at the axis point, the extra revolution is so gradual that you don't notice it, being less than 1 degree per day. If you look at something more distant like the stars you will count 366 revolution, as they would observing you.

The links I gave you have graphical representations to explain it.

Both are true. If you are sitting in a fixed orbit of the sun ( rather warm) you would count 365+ revolutions of the earth during one year . If you were in a fixed orbit of another sun, you would count 366+ rotations of the earth. The difference ? One extra rotation of the earth around the sun. No charts needed

I'm standing on the earth, and it rotates 360 degrees ie. 1 full rotation, how many times does it do this in a year?

3.5mil gets a condo and 2 elite visas, vs 4mil for the visas alone.

Will you think me silly if I tell you the earth rotates 366 times in a year (to the nearest whole number)?

No I'd not think you were silly, but I would know that you were wrong. The earth revolves around the sun 365.242 times per year - the closest whole number is 365 not 366

I don't think he's silly either, but he's correct.

There are approximately 365 days in the year, a product of approximately 366 revolutions and 1 orbit about the sun.

Try again and use a calculator if necessary, or get a friend to help you. Now, is 365.242 closer to 365 or 366 ? Think carefully !

365.

Will you think me silly if I tell you the earth rotates 366 times in a year (to the nearest whole number)?

No I'd not think you were silly, but I would know that you were wrong. The earth revolves around the sun 365.242 times per year - the closest whole number is 365 not 366

I don't think he's silly either, but he's correct.

There are approximately 365 days in the year, a product of approximately 366 revolutions and 1 orbit about the sun.