josephbloggs

So the central claim that we sent the EU £350m a week was a prediction and not a lie? And that we would send that to the NHS instead was a prediction and not a lie? Farage's racist "Breaking Point" poster was a prediction and not a lie? https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/16/nigel-farage-defends-ukip-breaking-point-poster-queue-of-migrants Michael Gove's "The day after we vote to leave, we hold all the cards and we can choose the path we want." was a prediction not a lie. Boris Johnson promising we had an "oven ready deal" and he just needed to pop it in the microwave and we would be better off was a prediction and not a lie? John Moyniham: "We are the fifth largest economy in the world. We will be able to have a decent deal with the EU. The EU needs a trade deal with us more than we need a trade deal with them." A prediction, not a lie, and in no way delusional? "After we vote Leave, we would immediately be able to start negotiating new trade deals with emerging economies and the world’s biggest economies (the US, China and Japan, as well as Canada, Australia, South Korea, New Zealand and so on), which could enter into force immediately after the UK leaves the EU.” A predication and not a lie? "Taking back control of our borders" was a prediction and not a lie? (Our border security had nothing to do with the EU and has got much worse since leaving) Seems none of these "predictions" came true. Bad luck hey?

Ok, apologies if I have missed some clear reasons in 100 pages of posts but all I remember is generic cliches like "free of EU shackles", "no longer governed by faceless EU bureaucrats", "free of EU tyranny" etc. Seen many of those but don't remember any clear, well thought out reasons (which if well thought out and explained I might well understand or acknowledge). I honestly don't remember any but maybe I missed them in such a long thread - easily possible. So if you don't mind repeating yourself could you explain your reasons? Or point me to the post where you did it if it is not a pain. I am genuinely interested. Would also like to hear which lies the Remain side came out with and how they compare with the scale of the Brexit lies? Genuine question, not a loaded one.

Picking on semantics is the best you can do? It was quite clear the point I was making. Yes, technically my teenage children can work in the EU if they have a solid job offer with minimum salary requirements and probably requiring university degrees in a specialism, their employer can guarantee them, they meet requirements on skill sets and experience, and the government of the country deems that can justify a work permit. How many 18 year olds do you think that applies to? 0.01%? How many job offers like that are forthcoming? So yes, technically you are right that it is not impossible for 0.01% of school leavers. But for the 99+% of school leavers who want to spend 3-4 years working around Europe to gain worldly experience, gain knowledge of other cultures, and generally experience life it is no longer possible. If more people had that kind of experience we wouldn't find our country currently being so inward looking and insular. It's why I always told my children they should travel and experience different cultures. But no worries, they can go and flip burgers in Milton Keynes so all is good. But well done, you picked on semantics and you can feel you got a victory. Excellent.

Sigh. No, there isn't, just as in the same way there is nothing stopping anyone from living and working in Thailand. It's that easy, right? Any 18 year old can come here and work in a coffee shop or a resturant and gain worldly experience? Correct? Ridiculous.

D'oh! Sorry I get it now, I lost track of who was who. It says a lot that I thought you were an actual Brexiteer being serious because that is kind of a believable logic that would be thrown out there.

So you were in favour of Brexit because it would put people out of business and that is good? Right? So you do admit Brexit has caused harm to business then? But you think that's great. Righty ho. Sunlit uplands here we come (apart from those who are now bankrupt).

Meaning? I live here, have done for years. Where else would I run a business except in the country I set up a business in?

No.

What relevance does that have? I run a business here in Thailand and have done for over two decades so it did not affect my trade (not that I run a trading company, I don't). It has affected my family in the UK. It has affected my children who wanted to live and work in Europe to gain global experience and soak up other cultures. I always preached to them the importance of it because I have lived all over the world since I was 21 years old and it opened my eyes tremendously. Now they can't as that right has been snatched away. So it has affected me. And it has saddened me how my country that was built on tolerance and multiculturalism has resorted to an intolerant, inward looking, xenophobic place that cut off its nose to spite its face, and the majority of it was built on outright lies. And when we called them out people put their fingers in their ears and shouted "project fear". Six years later what is better? Name a single thing without using a generic cliche like "free of EU shackles". Name one. Blue passports made in Poland? Anything else? Remember, no generic cliches please. For me, if I disagreed with it on principle but I could see the other side I would admit "I don't agree with it on principle but I can see some benefits much as I don't like them". But I can't see any. And Brexiteers can't bring themselves to admit things are not working that well or that they were lied to when it is staring them in the face. They just gloss over it with "struggle makes you strong" or "you should (magically) adapt", or "it needs time, it'll be better in the future". When? How long in to the future? And how many people will suffer in the meantime? That's the difference.

Do you want to come up with a more childish argument? Should we not want business to be made easier so the country can prosper? Isn't that what a government is supposed to do? Why is making it more difficult a good thing? And when we had easy trade with a huge neighboring bloc for decades and we decided to make that much more difficult and it made our business less competitive against European rivals we should just magically adapt and say "hey ho". But you are ok because you are big and strong so to those small businesses who are no longer competitive through no fault of their own, they should just die. Because they are not as smart as you so they deserve it. You really believe it is that simple? That would explain why you so easily believed all the lies that were spoon fed you too. You may be super strong but you are also gullible.

So not wanting business to be deliberately made more cumbersome, more expensive, more inefficient, and cutting the size of your market is a bad thing? We should want that instead to prove how tough we are? One of the most illogical things I have read in this thread.......and there have been many!

Wow, that is incredible. Yeah, double what I have paid for significantly more expensive cars too. I wonder what is driving that?

100 pages and not one person admitting they are right or wrong on anything. But that's fine because we (Remainers) are right and they are wrong. ????

If you hadn't already noticed the website is back up. Search by your license number to find out what you owe: https://mflowthai.com/mflow/unuserpayment

Don't know about the Haval, but in the Volvo it is not very gentle - it's why I hated it at first. You have to feather the throttle to come to a gentle stop, otherwise it is quite forceful, so I think the brake lights come on most of the time.

I registered my car on MFlow but my wife said she didn't need it on hers.......then ended up driving hers through MFlow as she forgot. We had two fines but they were easy to pay online. But you are right, the website doesn't seem to be working at the moment. (Now both cars are registered) I know it doesn't help you now but after you make your submission you are not supposed to use Mflow until you get an email and / or text saying your application was successful. In my case it took 3-4 hours I think.

Yeah, I spent a few days with an electric Volvo XC40. I got to really like the one pedal driving (after initially disliking it) but that was my concern too - how do I know if the brake lights are coming on? In traffic I was trying to look for reflections in the car behind. I had to Google to make they were coming on and found this from Volvo: The brake lights are activated if the braking force exceeds a certain level. Not very descriptive or helpful. I think your idea of icon in the driver display is a really good idea!

I sometimes get very tired of this forum and the negative bitter nonsense. But then reading posts like yours it restores faith and shows a great side, of knowledgable people taking the time to share their experience and knowledge to help others. Although I don't own a Mini (never have, never will) I enjoyed reading, thanks.

Amazing, what an effort to make for the coronation! Compared to modern days when someone couldn't be bothered flying a couple of hours to attend her funeral!

Both were on Pattanakarn but in different places. Around 10.30pm and 11pm.

And here we go again. Cue all the usual posters popping up with, "The TAT must have paid for this", "I don't believe it", "Lies", "Never heard of that website", "Bangkok is third world" etc etc etc yawn yawn.

Yep. Twice in the last two months I have been through very professional blocks in Bangkok. No escape. Every single driver in every lane breathylised, and permanent cameras set up capturing everything - capturing the tests, and also set up at the desk for processing people caught. No idea what the punishments are / were. I have been here a long time but seems they are finally getting serious about this. Long may it continue.

Yep, they know the identity very well indeed as often they were friends or relatives. The PPE scandal will come out in time as one of the biggest corruption / fraud scandals in UK history. How things would have been under an EU open tender initiative.....

Was just in a Macro in Bangkok, they have L&P. Much cheaper than Villa too.

Erm.... "It was E.U rules that was the reason for UK (blue) passports being made in Poland" - Mac Mickmanus