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22 hours ago, newbee2022 said:

Now hopefully everybody here will believe it. 🙏 😂

Nobody said, or believed, that creatine supplements are necessary. That wasn't the issue, just your strawman.

11 minutes ago, newbee2022 said:

Thank you for outdated stuff. I'm not interested. Keep it for yourself😂😂😂

But you haven't explained why they aren't respectable and are in fact now invalid. Why not? We've had your latest authoritative opinion, but not the supposed science it's based on. Why's that?  😂😂😂 Too modest?

21 hours ago, newbee2022 said:

There are no respectable studies at all. 

So then, as suspected, you don't follow the science at all, but merely your own little authoritative Opinions, calling those "science."

Now Sheryl's article is published here:

Rawson, E.S., Venezia, A.C. Use of creatine in the elderly and evidence for effects on cognitive function in young and old. Amino Acids 40, 1349–1362 (2011). https://doi.org/10.1007/s00726-011-0855-9

and

Amino Acids is an international peer-reviewed journal dedicated to publishing high-quality research related to the chemistry, biochemistry, physiology, pharmacology, and toxicology of amino acids and related compounds.

The editors and board members are listed here:

https://link.springer.com/journal/726/editors

And they all look very qualified indeed, though perhaps not up to your own professional qualifications as yet unknown.

So you might explain why this study isn't in fact a respectable study.

I could quote some possible explanations as to why supplemental creatine (MORE than just dietary creatine) may be effective, but you may follow your opinion. 🙂

To reference one more, a controlled study published in a peer-reviewed journal:

The purpose of this study was to examine the effect of creatine supplementation on the cognitive performance of elderly people. . . . Results showed a significant effect of creatine supplementation on all tasks except backward number recall. It was concluded that creatine supplementation aids cognition in the elderly.

So again it would be enlightening to know why this also wasn't a respectable study--except that you KNOW.

I won't mention the rat studies. Rats ain't humans!

We go back to Sheryl's original and quite accurate point:

On 4/15/2024 at 9:25 PM, Sheryl said:

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21394604/

 

There is some evidence that creatine supplementation is helpful in the elderly

So I think the science suggests it's not a bad idea for the elderly to supplement. Can't hurt, anyway.

24 minutes ago, Caldera said:

If you're old already, why do you refuse to just die when your time has come? Haven't you looted and polluted the planet enough already?

Talk's cheap on the 'net.

The authoritative ANF Longevity Science, after years of tireless research by our top experts, incorporates three What, Me Worry Principles:

8.  What, me worry? I: The genes

It’s all genes. Git nekkid!

9.  What, me worry? II: Fate

It’s me fate. Might be hit by a lorry tomorrow. Get nekkid!

10. What, me worry? III: The French Salute

Woe is me; g'bye cruel world.

But you'll have to ask our Fatalists who profess to follow What, Me Worry? why they try so hard to thwart the Principles by chasing after hospitals, pharmacies, docs, meds, surgeries, treatments and paying all those medical bills. I'm just puzzled as you are. The one I asked didn't answer me, for some reason.

Meanwhile, you have this:

People aged 65 to 79 'happiest of all', study suggests

The survey of more than 300,000 adults across the UK found life satisfaction, happiness and feeling life was worthwhile all peaked in that age bracket, but declined in the over-80s.

The survey of more than 300,000 adults across the UK found life satisfaction, happiness and feeling life was worthwhile all peaked in that age bracket, but declined in the over-80s. , , , The over-90 age group reported by far the lowest levels of feeling their life was worthwhile, even though their reported levels of happiness and life satisfaction were comparable to those in their 20s and 30s.

    --https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-35471624

Which I suppose answers your question for normal people.

30 minutes ago, Carlotta said:

supplements are no medicines, just business as selling garbage bins or tooth brushes.

And some do find garbage bins and toothbrushes helpful.

20 hours ago, Drumbuie said:

Although I must confess to being slightly surprised that so many fifty-plus year olds' conversation is eerily similar to that of a carful of hormonal, Lynx-drenched teen boys. .

 

Ignorantly proud of it, too. But much of the "humor" on the forum doesn't rise to the teen level, maybe 10 years old max. We love the amusement afforded by poop, bums, boobies, boom boom, wee wees, willies, bearded clams. rubbers, pee pee, vomit, farts, burps, boogers, Thaiglish ("velly solly" is SO clever & funny!) and Soi 6.  Bonus: bestiality.

Unfortunately, a crowd needed to maintain the membership numbers, such as they are.

2 minutes ago, newbee2022 said:

I rely on science.

Or maybe not, since you claim it's all a matter of belief. Still waiting for you to reference the evidence you have, based on science, that the probability that creatine supplements don't benefit seniors outweighs the probability they do, according to respectable studies such Sheryl cited. 

6 hours ago, newbee2022 said:

I mentioned "necessary".

Yes, you did. Let me quote your mention again:

10 hours ago, newbee2022 said:

So, if you get healthy food it's not necessary to buy any creatine as supplement.

And then I noted that "necessary" isn't the issue under discussion here. Nobody claimed it's necessary to buy any creatine as supplement.

6 hours ago, newbee2022 said:

In addition read my reply to Sheryl.

I did, but it merely contained assertions irrelevant to the findings of supplementary creatine's likely benefit for seniors in particular, based, furthermore, on imagined personal Authority, not documented contrary evidence.

3 minutes ago, dhupverg said:

It was custom made.

So you can't know what model the case is taken from? I guess checking with shops is your best bet then. Let us know how it goes. Hate to see good machines down & out.

7 hours ago, hotchilli said:

I was talking about the locals who also only have so much disposable money each month.

TAT: ANF has always refused to recognize the existence and positive effects of domestic tourism in Thailand--which, BTW, kept the Pattaya economy alive during COVID. (NO it did not replace international tourism.) However, our UK Economists of course recognize its economic contribution in their own country. For example, domestic tourism, importantly including day trippers from London, are critical to the local economy of Brighton. If you look up the annual economic reports you'll find they squawk if domestic tourism is "down."

Most tourists to Corpus Christi, Texas, are USA domestic tourists who ALSO only have so much disposable money each month. Touring is far more expensive there.

     --https://www.visitcorpuschristi.com/about-us/power-of-travel/

10 million visitors generated $1.4 billion. Int'l tourism bureaus use the same metric as TAT. WOT???

The real TAT (the one with all the fake figures we never refute with our own) always knew this but has encouraged domestic tourism a lot more after its dramatic effect during and immediately after COVID. Hence all the festivals and promotions now aimed at Thais.

TAT deputy governor for Domestic Marketing Thapanee Kiatphaibool said on Wednesday that Thai tourists took 200 million trips across provinces by the end of October this year compared to 222 million for the year before the Covid-19 pandemic in 2019. . . . Thapanee also expects Thai tourists to generate 800 billion baht, higher than the targeted 656 billion baht, on rising domestic family travel and conferences.

     --Thailand’s domestic tourism flying high, expected to surpass pre-Covid level

Note that new word for you, generate. The 800 billion is a total reflecting the multiplier effect you've recently learned about. It's revenue stimulating new economic activity that would not have happened if the tourists had just stayed home. 

Though our Economists (notably the Pattaya forum's now-departed biggest troll), out of the usual bigotry, believe Thais can only afford to spread a mat out on the beaches for *som tam and SangSom, then go home, in fact many have appreciable disposable income. Wealthier Thais (relatively) give money to their extended family members for recreational purposes as well. 

Have never heard diarrhea reported as a common problem. Most revelers probably have the sense to avoid drinking any Songkran water, though bum gun water's OK. We love our bum guns here.

Most of the water-related health problems arise from eye infections, some reportedly quite serious. Best to wear goggles if you partake.

Good solutions here, no disagreements from me. Headphones probably best. Subtitles! Yes.

I can see a case for a home theater if you have the space, distant neighbors, and cash. OP, with his B1500, probably doesn't. Home theaters have never interested me personally.

I have a couple of good bookshelf speakers and a small amp, cheap on Lazada. Many of these amps have bluetooth as well, if your TV doesn't. You can run speaker wire to position the speakers near you. Worked fine for me for years, never saw a need for anything different. I can also use headphones, but I almost never do.

The media app Kodi can be configured to equalize sound so that it stays at a level volume. Not officially documented, found the method on a forum somewhere.

On 4/14/2024 at 7:33 AM, dhupverg said:

It is a 17 inch【43 cm】  hp powerhouse with 32 gbs of ram, 1gb ssd and 3 gb of HDD.

How about giving us the exact model of the "powerhouse."

3 hours ago, newbee2022 said:

It's all a matter of belief.

No.

3 hours ago, newbee2022 said:

Which study you like to believe as well.

Then give references to studies that say creatine supplementation is NOT useful for seniors in particular.

3 hours ago, newbee2022 said:

So, if you get healthy food it's not necessary to buy any creatine as supplement.

Necessary isn't the issue. Think.

16 hours ago, georgegeorgia said:

Not over 65 

Just started back on Creatine last night and feeling great today 

 

Never underestimate the placebo effect.

1 hour ago, Bday Prang said:

very few on here are wise or shrewd, myself included.  

Right, your claim to forum cred will have to be based merely on the usual cynicism. Always plays well here.

1 hour ago, Bday Prang said:

presumably it also takes into account how much they get scammed , overcharged, or extorted

6 minutes ago, rumak said:

btw:  what is your age ?   i will be 74 in a few months .   ( i don't believe it !!! )

75, 2 weeks from now. Time flies, trying to stay above ground!

47 minutes ago, rumak said:

Mostly R and P .  ( rest and pills !)   

Anything resembling getting to the root problem has mostly been ignored or misdiagnosed. ( and i have been to numerous "orthopedics"  in the CM area over the years) .   The average "consultation"  almost always gets a cursory movement of the troubled area,  a quick analysis starting with " i think you have ......" ,   followed by trying to sell me 3 packages of colored pills ( always paracetomin among them ! ), and of course some latest anti-inflamatory drug .   "come back if you don't get better " ....  Of course, now that i am older .... the standard remark is that we all age and have these "arthritic type pains ) . 

Yup, that's EXACTLY what they do and say. Overpriced paracetamol + anti-inflammatory a must. They don't know sports medicine, and they're not accustomed to dealing with seniors who exercise.

Been there, done that. Once I figured I had tennis elbow and I talked to the ortho at THE private hospital in Pattaya. He said, "You have tennis elbow," and told me to rest and take pills. I fixed it on my own w/ stretching and particular exercise, done regularly. Thank you, Dr. Youtube.

Now the problem is that doing nothing may (or may not) make the pain go away, but soon as you do your exercise again, it will start back up. So it's necessary to be proactive and find some potential stretching & strengthening exercises from the gurus on youtube. I've had great success that way, but it takes time, like a month, to see good results--if you get good results.

In case of a serious show-stopper, it seems only the best at Bumrungrad can come up w/ a good diagnosis and treatment that might work. So my idea is to get the initial X-rays and MRI at a public hsp then bring them to the Big Guns. If the problem isn't that structural (requiring surgery) chances are that therapy will fix it IF you find the right therapy--and you have the discipline to stick to the routine. Tough to keep it up for hoped-for results weeks later . . . .

6 minutes ago, SmartyMarty said:

If only you were correct, except the article talked about total spending, “The festival, which has been recognised as an Intangible Cultural Heritage event by Unesco, is predicted to attract 10 million international visitors who will contribute 11.8 billion baht to the total spending”.

The key word you missed was contribute. It doesn't say that's how much they spend. And so the total spending (total) isn't ONLY what they spend. The total comprises all that generated through direct, indirect, and induced revenue.

3 hours ago, Bday Prang said:

I would say those who claim to know one way or the other actually know very little, basing their judgement on very unreliable statistics issued by the TAT 

But our Economists judge reliability according to how negative the stats are, 'cause we like negativity. If numbers and revenue have declined, our Economists wholeheartedly agree. That's cause we've been mistreated so badly by the Thai authorities, and Thailand has so many repulsive characteristics, how can can tourism and the economy be growing? It's impossible. And we want justice.

If they're quite good, as with the 40 million in 2019, then we sneer and proclaim how wrong they are, but without ever providing any figures of our own.

On the other hand, in 2020 when COVID decimated the tourist numbers, our Economists suddenly reversed themselves to accept the 40 million in 2019 as now accurate after all. That was to increase the dramatic horror of the new low numbers and enjoy exaggerating their significance by contrast as much as possible. 

It basically depends on what our Economists will think most enhances their forum cred as wise, shrewd and cynical.

1 hour ago, hotchilli said:

So they spend a couple of thousand on Songkran, and less on other stuff,          how does that help the economy.. they only have so much money

If you're ignorant about the economics of tourism, then that would be a mystery, of course. 🙂 You can educate yourself by reading up on the tourism multiplier effect. Here's a little morsel:

https://www.quora.com/What-are-the-multiplier-effects-of-tourism-as-to-income-generated

1 hour ago, SmartyMarty said:

10 million tourists spending 11 billion is around 1100 baht per person. These figures are total fabrication. 

Our ANF Economists always grab their calculators to make this childlike division to come up with the usual laughable mathematically conclusive proof that TAT tells porkies.

Somehow, the subject of tourism revenue wasn't covered in their studies at the LSE or readings in the Bodleian.

12 hours ago, webfact said:

The TAT expects that the spending of domestic and foreign tourists during the Songkran festival will generate at least 100 billion baht (US$ 2.7 billion) in revenue for the country.

generate. All these TAT articles, despite the occasion slipshod journalism (journalists can be just as ignorant) are talking about revenue generated, not average spend per tourist. Very different, a much larger and meaningful figure reflecting the tourism multiplier effect that you've never heard of and don't know about.

On 4/12/2024 at 5:20 PM, rumak said:

I am now doing light strengthening , stationary bike best for me .

The bike instead of running is well-advised. Made the same change myself and am going to get rid of my old treadmill. Some walking is still good and needed, however. I do a fast walk of about 20 min a few times a week on the beach and then walk up a mere 5 flights of stairs on the way back in. 

About a month ago I started using the side stepper machine at the gym for 10 min sessions. Doesn't stress the knees, and it's great for helping your balance. Lazada has home versions:

https://www.lazada.co.th/tag/side-stepper/?q=side stepper&catalog_redirect_tag=true

Danger is that pain or debilitation may stop the exercising. So I hope your working to resolve it helps enough. Doesn't have to be 100%, just manageable and not getting worse. (Consulting orthopedist recommended, of course.) I might also suggest knee supports during exercise that stress the knee, like this:

https://www.lazada.co.th/products/2-aolikes-i314588943.html

https://www.lazada.co.th/products/2-aolikes-i314588943.html

I wear the straps during my interval sessions on the bike and I find them helpful. Keep the kneecaps from wandering around and getting into positions they don't like.

On 2/7/2024 at 8:47 PM, george said:

 

Hi,

These are old url's that is not in use anymore. What type of feed to you exactly looking for and I can create a feed for you, Which content/subforums do you want included in your rss?

 

Cheers

Been a couple of months now. Is this difficult, George?

23 minutes ago, grain said:

OK thanks for that, I'll play around with it and see what happens.

Blogger may or may not allow you to add CSS styles to an external .css file. Probably not, so I had in mind adding it inline w/ the editor in source mode. You'd need the <style> tag; read about that here:

https://www.w3schools.com/html/html_css.asp

As an aside, in the good old days of ThaiVisa, before all the downgrades, the posting editor had a useful source mode. It's still possible to apply your own custom styles to a page, for personal viewing, via a browser extension. I created a few of those for myself to correct some of the font and spacing downgrades, and hide sections in the sidebar wasting space.