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Routine cleaning, and possibly a small repair.  Western Bangkok (west of the river).  Any recommendations ?

2 hours ago, Kilick said:

As a Canadian you are able to get a notarized letter from the embassy in Bangkok confirming a pension income of 65,000 baht. No need to season money in the bank.

That might be possibility, if my pension income was that high.  It isn't !

1 minute ago, ian carman said:

DR jack 
Is it possible to transfer the money back into your ,if still have,bank in Canada then transfer back into Thai bank

Yes, I've considered that option.  Now that I am here on a Tourist Exempt entry, I don't know if my bank will allow me to transfer, say B 400,000 out.  (I have about B 400,000 on deposit in my Canadian acct., so should not have to transfer B 800,000 back to Canada.)

One more try:  

I already have a bank account, in my name only. I have B 800,000, proveable on deposit from Sept. 2022,of which B 400,000 is proveable from June 2022.

I am with Bangkok Bank.  Does anyone know if their branches are capable of producing 12 month statements on the spot, or is this something that needs to come from elsewhere ?

I'm the OP. Sifting through all of this verbiage is not easy, especially when there are contradictions.

I think I can meet all the requirement, with the possibile exception of proving that my B 800,000 came from abroad.

Background:  I had been on Exxtensions of Stay - Retirement for 11 yrs., but recently was unable to renew due to a lost bankbook on a closed bank account.  Previously, I had no need to prove that my annual "top-up" of my bank account was done by funds transferred from abroad. I did these electronically, and have no printed statements from my Canadian bank. Because of the lost bankbook, I have no written proof from my Thai bank either.

What option(s) do I have, other than going to Immigration, pleading my case, and hoping for the best ?

1. Bangkok, as stated in my OP

2. Retirement

3. 66

4. Canadian

I am on a Visa Exempt entry, and want to apply for the Non-O visa.  Can someone give me a list of what I need to present to Immigration when I apply in Bangkok ?

thank yo u。If doing on line，whatａrｅthe exact steps？

Thank you.  I am intending to proceed to a Non-O.  Am I required to make a separate, earlier, trip to the Immigration Office to file the TM-30, or it can it be done at the same time I will do the application for the Non-O ?

I recently returned to Thailand on a 45 day visa exempt entry.  I am living in Bangkok, at the same address where I previously resided, and for which I submitted a TM 30 in May of last year.  Do I need to do a new TM 30 ?

Thank you both.

Thank you.  Is there a required minimum of days remaining on the 90 day Non-O Visa, at the time he application for Extension is made ?

16 hours ago, BritTim said:

Yes. His post is extremely confusing. My assumptions: (i) he thinks a retirement extension must be associated with a Non B visa (perhaps, because he was once on a Non B visa before retiring); and (ii) he thinks the "conversion" to a Non O visa from his visa exempt entry must be followed by a further conversion to a Non B visa before he can do a retirement extension.

 

Right now, he is asking about how to do the border bounce to get a visa exempt entry. That does not require straightening out his understanding of visas and extensions, but he will hopefully have everything clarified in due time.

I am not a newcomer; it might be said that my problem is the opposite. For 11 years I have been living here on annual Extensions of Stay - Retirement, all using the B 800,000 money in the bank method.  And despite having moved to three different provinces since obtaining the first one, I never had  trouble extending.

Yesterday, I returned to see the same Immigration supervisor who had refused my application last week. I asked him specifically about the possibility of getting a Non-O visa.  My Thai is better than his English; the conversation was 90% in Thai.  He said "OK, you go to Lao or Cambodia".  I asked if Malaysia was a possibility, and he said yes.  He looked again at my bankbook, and said in English "Your money good, you go Section C for Non-O", gesturing to the corner of the office where Section C is. After leaving him, I went to Section C hoping to speak to a supervisor.  There was no one at the desk.  Having received assurance from one supervisor, and Upon Joe here. I left.

As I said in my other thread, I haven't had to make a border run since 2004.  If I am using incorrect terminology here, please correct me.  

I worked here for 15 years. For the last 11 years, I have been retired, using the B 800,000 money in the bank method.  I want to continue to do the same, but find myself unable to prove that I met the  "3 months after"  while I was still living in another province Feb. - May of 2022.

I don't care exactly what they call it.  I know I won't get a visa to do that, unless I return to my country (Canada), or "recycle" some of my B 800,000 through Canada.  Either of those seem expensive. So, I'm proposing to step out of Thailand into an adjacent country, and then returning ASAP.  

I am currently on an Extension of a Non-Immigrant "B" visa for Retirement, expiring March 19, 2023.  Due to some negligence by myself and my bank, I won't be able to get a new Extension inside Thailand.  (To those who have read my concurrently running thread, I returned to Bangkok Immigration this morning and confirmed that.)

I was advised by an Immigration supervisor that I can exit to a neighboring country (without a Re-entry Permit, of course), return to Thailand visa exempt, then go to Immigration in Bangkok and obtain a Non-O visa, and later, switch that to a new Non-Immigrant "B", using the B 800,000, which will have been in a Thai bank account for about ten months at that time.

This will be my first border run since 2004, and my first ever one of this type.  Can I simply step out of Thailand, walk around the Immigration building, and walk back in ?  Or is there a requirement that I spend at least one night outside of Thailand ?  Depending on travel schedules and logistics, I think I might prefer to spend as little time outside of Thailand as possible, and keep the trip as short as possible.

Any other pitfalls that I need to be aware of ?

I

2 hours ago, DJ54 said:

OP can you access your closed account on BKK app? You could try getting 12 month 

statement emailed to you. Go to or call BKK Headquarters and hopefully get someone 

to help. 

- I don't have a smartphone, so don't see how getting one now would help.

-As stated in my OP, I was in Bangkok Bank (last Thu.) They say they can't print a statement for a closed account.

14 minutes ago, shortstop2 said:

As many have suggested enlisting the help of an agent for one year should solve the problem and then next year you can go back to doing it yourself.  Contact a few agents and see what their pricing is.

 

I am a disorganized slob.  Sometimes I search for three hours to find something, figure I don't have it and then a year later I find it.  Usually old bank books have a hole punched through it.

 

It's also a possibility that an agent with special connections with Bangkok bank could get you the the printout you need.  Mot in Pattaya is one such agent.  Although her connection is with a local branch it is "possible" that branch could possibly intercede for you with the head office.

 

Good luck!

 

Thank you for the constructive, on-topic reply.  Can you, or anyone else, give me contact details for a reputable agent who may have dealt with a similar problem.  To anyone contemplating a reply.  Please read or re-read my Original Post before doing so.

11 minutes ago, Shop mak said:

Simple solution: talk with a visa agent, they can fix most if not all problems.

I was anti agent myself, did all myself until I met problems with IO who clearly directed me to use agent.

Members here are clearly divided about use or avoid agents. End of the day, they can save you lots of time, travel and expences, see the full picture of options given already.

Can you send me a Private Message with contact information, and a guess as to cost ?

I am the OP. The more people who reply, the muddier the waters become.  Can anyone provide a link stating the exact requirements for a Non-O visa ? And for the O-A visa too ? I've searched the Immigration site attached to the Pinned topic here, but couldn't find an answer to my questions.

1 hour ago, ubonjoe said:

You can apply for a non-o visa at immigration.

If you have had the 800k baht in the bank for a long time proof it came from abroad is not required.

Your comment is greatly appreciated.  As of today, I can show proof of B 800,000 in the bank for a little over nine months.  What is your guess please ? Is nine months enough to be a "long time ?

I have already been bumped up to the supervisory level at Immigration, and am dealing with a hard-nosed guy.  When I return to see him, I want to be fully prepared, knowing what questions to ask, and not to ask.

I am the OP. I am prepared to do a "visa trip" if necessary.  No one has directly addressed my first question, about my money.  If I go to an adjacent country and re-enter Thailand visa exempt, can I then get the Non- O visa, using the B 800,000 I already have in Thailand ? I seem to recall that the funds have to come from outside Thailand.

Alternatively, can I apply for the O-A visa in an adjacent country ?  I seem to recall seeing somewhere, that you can only apply from your home country.  I prefer not having to fly back to Canada just to do this, if another way can be found.

17 minutes ago, norbra said:

Maybe at trip to bank in Surin is an option for you.

I think not.  I went into Bangkok Bank's head office yesterday.  They clearly understood I wanted a 12 month statement, filled in a form, had me sign it, and charged me B 200.  This morning, someone else phoned me to say they can't do it because the account has been closed (since late May 2023.)

I might consider a trip to Surin, but only if I get at least one report here that another Bangkok Bank customer succeeded with a similar request.

Background:  I am a 27 year resident of Thailand.  I have been retired here for the last 11 of those years.  For the last two of those years, I have been using the B 800,000 money in the bank method.  I know the rules.  In late May last year, I moved from Isarn to Bangkok. Also in late May 2022, I closed the bank account in Isarn in which I had "parked" my B 800,000, and transferred those funds to an account with the same bank in Bangkok, where they have been ever since.

Current: Yesterday, I went into Bangkok Immigration to do my annual renewal, and received a severe shock. The Immigration supervisor demanded proof that I had complied with the "three months after" rule from February to May 2022 in Surin.  I had my final bankbook from Surin with me. To my horror, when I opened it, it showed only the final two days of transactions. I have no idea why, if the bank employee had to start a new bankbook, she did not give me the previous one too. To get to the point:  I have no proof hat I had B 800,000 in the bank from February to May 2022.  I have asked the head office of the bank if they could print a statement, but they say they cannot because the account is now closed.

Future:  I am not here because I want to be told what I ought to have done in the past.  I can't turn back the clock.  What options do I have, if I want to stay in Thailand, continuing to use the B 800,000 money in the bank method ? (The B 65,000/mo. pension method is not an option; I receive a pension in Canada, but it is not large enough.)

1.  I have B 800,000 in the bank here, provable since May 2022.  If I want to continue to use the same money, do these funds need to make a round trip to Canada ?  I have savings in Canada, but as things stand today, only somewhere around B 300,000 - 400,000.

2.  As for myself, I presume I would need to leave Thailand, and re-enter on some sort of short-term visa ?