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5 hours ago, Kwarium said:

2 or 3 years to completion? Good luck with that! I applied and interviewed with SB on the same day, 4 years ago this June.

 

wait, wait, wait....

If I calculate well, between the moment SB passed your application to MOI until the MOI interview, you waited for 2 years (24 months). Am I right?

5 hours ago, Neeranam said:

It would beer nice to hear the times from NIA interview to MOI interview from others.

From this forum's applicants data: 6 to 21 months, with an average around 12-14 months. And I'm currently at 7 months past NIA interview. 

Hi again, I've been away from this thread since I got my PR in 2012. Anyone could summarize if any changes have happened around PR in the past 5-6 years? I just got to know recently that PR holders can register to the e-gate at Suvarnabhumi. Has anything else changed/been added?

 

Hello,

 

I'll need to extend my PR validity for another 5 years by the end of this year, but before that I'll need to get a new re-entry due to a planned trip little before. My question is: can CW provide the one year re-entry when the PR validity is just few months left? Or do you recommend me to first extend the 5-year validity before asking for the re-entry?

10 minutes ago, qualtrough said:

MCQ? I don't think so, but I am not sure what that means. All required documents from the checklist have been been submitted and accepted, but I needed to get the most recent ภ.ง.ด. 50 and update my salary letter. It was then that he asked me to make an appointment to take the Thai test, after telling me I had 43 points and needed to get 7 out of 10 on the Thai test to get over the hump. I made an appointment for the following week, but had to cancel it as the ภ.ง.ด. 50 is going to take another week or so.

Ok, the Thai test is the knowledge test to me. So you probably got the 43 points out of everything, including personality and Thai language test, but excluding this MCQ knowledge test (10 points) where you need to get 7.

41 minutes ago, qualtrough said:

Thanks. He told me I had 43 points, and needed 7 more from the 10 point language. Was very clear about that. Having said that, he has gotten mixed up about several other things so who knows?

Did you do the MCQ about Thai culture/knowledge?

19 hours ago, qualtrough said:

Interesting. I have not relied on any interpreter, assistance, or wife and represented myself entirely in Thai from the start, reading supplied Thai materials and completing forms in Thai,  so I would assume I would score at the high end  of any scale. But you know what happens when we assume :)

I may be wrong -GarryP assumes differently on this topic- but I still think there's a cumulative evaluation where you need to score each step in order to get points for the next one and eventually get 15/15 pts. This is what happened to me. Speaking/understanding gives 8 pts, then singing the anthems adds 2 pts, followed by reading 2 pts and writing 3 pts. Meaning, my assumption is ithat f you don't sing at SB you couldn't score any points for reading/writing.

 

It would be interesting to have facts on this point. Anybody here was able to score points for reading/writing without singing at SB recently?

 

On 4/15/2018 at 11:42 AM, qualtrough said:

What he said was, "You have 43 points. You will need to get 7/10 on the Thai language portion in order to have required 50 points." While I would never claim to be infallible, I am pretty confidant that's what he said.

 

I am still not clear on all the points that are current. Would anyone mind taking a stab at scoring me (less the language/ culture component and personality component)?

 

1 64 years old

2. Ph.D.

3. Owner of Thai company registered since 1997. Taxes paid since founding.

4. Continuous non-immig visas and WP since 2002.

5. Married to Thai national since 1996.

6. Two children, attending Thai Univ.

7. Salary of 40,000 baht through company

 

All my docs have been submitted and accepted. I just have to get one more updated พ.ง.ด. 50 and update my salary letter from my company and then I take the lang/culture test.

Salary (15/25), Education (15/15), Age (4/10), Residence (0/20) = Total 34/70

Remains: Language (?/15), Culture (?/10), Personality (?/5)

11 hours ago, qualtrough said:

It is funny that just the other day I was told by the officer dealing with me that the language requirement was worth 10 points, which goes against the 15 points others experienced. He specifically said I would need to get 7 out of 10 points to obtain a passing score of 50.

Or perhaps you misunderstood between the tests of Thai culture (10 points) and Thai language (15 points)?

9 minutes ago, yankee99 said:

post #4 in the above link is up to date. 

Ah ok - sorry, my mistake. I wrongly thought the change was more recent than 2010.

34 minutes ago, yankee99 said:

points should be here

Be careful, this thread is 7 years old and the points have changed as I remember.

When I applied last year I compiled this table, so unless this changed it is:

 

25 = Security of Profession (married>60K/month => 25.) Others I'm not sure

15 = Educational Level  (Bachelor=>5, Master=>10, Dr=>15)           

10 = Age  (41-50=>10, 51-60=>8, 31-40 and 60+=>4, less than 30=>2)     

20 = Residence in Thailand  (yellow book 5 years=>5, 5 years PR=>10, 7 years PR=>15, 10 years PR=>20)  

15 = Knowledge of Thai Language (speak/understand=>8, anthems=>2, read=>2, write=>3)
10 = General Knowledge about Thailand

5 = Personality

15 minutes ago, GarryP said:

That is pretty quick. Much quicker than it used to be. They must have cleared most of the backlog by now. Good luck.

Thank you. I just hope I won't have to wait a year or more to get the MOI interview. Time will tell.

On 4/8/2018 at 7:21 PM, Neeranam said:

Firstly, thanks a lot for sharing your experience.

I've had the interview with the NIA.

How long after that interview did you get the summary letter?

I guess this is the next thing I have to wait for. I got the interview in January.

Interesting that you didn't need to show your WP at the MOI.

I'm hanging onto a job just in case I am asked for it.

14 months to wait for the MOI interview,  damn, I was hoping for a few months, maybe 1 year max.

Does everyone get a letter saying the docs have been passed onto the MOI?

Last week I got the information that my file has been passed to MOI recently. It's been 5.5 months after NIA for me, and overall 12 months after my first contact with SB. I didn't get the copy of the summary letter as I totally forgot to ask this during my phone call. I'll plan a visit to SB soon in order to get it, and I'll probably bring some cakes or Thai sweets for the occasion.
 

5 minutes ago, Kwarium said:

Have you got your summary letter listing all the details being passed on to MOI yet? 

Not yet. It's been 12 months since my first visit to SB, I know my file is ready queuing for a while, but it's radio silence from SB at the moment.

23 minutes ago, Kwarium said:

Thank you. So SB will send me a letter next? Then there is publishing the result in the royal gazette? Then an oath at SB? Then the Thai ID?

 

I have read all 241 pages at some point, but still not sure how these steps actually go down.

J

Btw- I had been told it would be best to maintain the work permit until the MOI interview. I did and took it with me, but they didnt want to see it. Actually, NO docs were needed at the interview, but I had a bag full!

From what I know (but haven't been through yet) it's:

MOI approval -> SB informs you -> The oath is scheduled -> Your name gets published to the RTG -> SB issues the citizenship certificate -> You can proceed to get the ID card.

15 hours ago, Kwarium said:

Just want to confirm what' s next and see if anyone has recent timeline input.

Based on recent successful applicants feedback: the time to receive the MOI approval letter (through SB) after the MOI interview ranges from 1 to 8 months.

I wish you good luck and to receive the good news very soon!

24 minutes ago, yankee99 said:

Looks like Choonsan interviewed with MOI may 2016 so about 22 months from interview

I think it was November 2016.

Hello Choonsan and BaanBKK as you both got published to RTG last November, may I ask if you got your Thai ID card already? I remember you applied both in the beginning of 2016 and I think you're in the race of being the fastest processed applicants. Thanks to let us know.

On 3/11/2018 at 9:45 PM, qualtrough said:

Here's my question. Regarding the two witnesses, can my father-in-law be one, or do they have to be non-family members?

The document I got in March last year said non-family members ( พยานจะต้องไม่ใช่ญาติพี่น้องของตนเอง หรือญาติพี่น้องของคู่สมรส) and I assume this didn't change.

How long between dropping the documents at SB and getting the SB interview with the SB boss?

5 months for me.

2 hours ago, yankee99 said:

The documents go from SB to NIA then back to SB?

Then from SB to MOI

Just from SB to MOI. NIA interview went as if they knew nothing about me (My first questions were 'Name, Surname, birth date...')

It's been 12 months since I decided to apply in March 2017 and started collecting documents. Here I am, one year later, same for me... my file has not yet been sent to MOI. My NIA interview was in September 2017.

From recent successful applicants data, I already expected something like

- 1 year for gathering documents, dealing with SB and having them to send the application to MOI
- 1 year around MOI getting the documents, scheduling the interview and issuing the result
- 1 year around the finalization of the approval (signatures, oath, official letter, ID issuance)
Total 3 years -which I understand is almost the best timeline one can get-.

We'll see...

41 minutes ago, THAIJAMES said:

Sorry if this has been answered before, beside a letter from your employer which specific tax form is used as evidence of your tax payment?

is it PND 90 / 91 or  PND 1 ?

Thank you in advance.

It will be PNG 90 if you submitted PND 90 or PNG 91 if you submitted PND 91. The only difference between both is that PNG 90 has to be used when you have additional income other than salary (LTF gain, mutual fund gain, rental income, stock dividends...)

13 minutes ago, onthemoon said:

As an employer, I beg to differ. We had a European with Thai  citizenship, and he was paid an expat salary and fringe benefits. The reason for that is that the expectations we had were such that he still had to be an asset to the company and not a cost center. Any born Thai who can achieve the same would be entitled to the same salary and fringe benefits.

 

Nobody will be paid less just because he now has the Thai citizenship. To the contrary, we were quite happy that we did not have to go through the WP procedures.

I understand. I had perhaps more in mind multinational corporations (or international NGOs) that employ expats with special benefits like house rental, driver, plane ticket back to their home country, kids school fees. Once they know a person has been naturalized, they have a way to challenge their package. I'm not saying they will always do that but I feel they'd be tempted to reconsider the terms when the contract expires of prior to that. But I may be wrong. Each case must be different for sure.

Has anyone had benefits removed from their employment contract as a result of Thai citizenship e.g flights & bonus. I have an issue with this at the moment. If anyone can PM me with advice as its a bit of a nightmare scenario.

Just a general comment but it does make sense to me that once naturalized one would stop being entitled benefits of an expat in Thailand regarding labor legislation aspects, and consequently I don’t see what would force an employer to keep paying any expat advantages.
When I got my PR, not even citizenship, although my company saved 75% of visa-WP renewal costs, they stopped paying the 5,700 baht for the re-entry stamp which I still needs if I travel outside Thailand -but is not mandatory for a PR holder who remains in The country-, you see. so I expect higher level of this when getting naturalization.


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