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This is really common, I had a friend die this way in Cambodia. These chaps thought they were buying cocaine but ended up with heroin. One can snort a great deal of cocaine and be no worse off than a shocking hangover and agonizing embarrassment but the same amount of heroin will kill.

We spent a couple of months in Cambodia, and there were a lot of deaths like this. People thinking they were getting cocaine but it was actually quite pure heroin. Most were found with their heads on the table, some with the straw still in their nose. Don't know if it's calmed down, but it was a huge problem when we were there a couple of years ago.

If it's not in a blister pack from a reputable pharmacy, don't take it. Why would you in Cambodia - there are no restrictions on drugs; generation of doctors lost when Pol Pot killed all of the educated people. Pharmacists were obviously smarter than doctors and better at disguising themselves as the village idiot or whatever to escape execution. People still need medication, doctors or not, so everything was available over the counter, and still is today. If you can get yourself some legal amphetamines, why bother with white powder which could be anything. As I said, when we were there it was heroin, not mixed too much so very very strong - strong enough to kill if you have no tolerance to it, an people who snort cocaine want uppers are unlikely to also snort a downer such as heroin.

RIP to the two gentlemen, my thoughts are with their families who must be devastated. At those ages they would likely have parents and grandparents to cope with the grieving.. Let's hope something good comes of this and it scares others off doing the same thing.

Don't know much about heroin or cocaine but from what I have read it seems that heroin IS A LOT MORE EXPENSIVE THAN COCAINE... So why would a vendor sell you heroin at the same price as heroin..?? Or is the price so cheap that the user / buyer thinks he's getting a good deal on cocaine.. >> Dunno something just doen't seem logical here..?

Don't know where you do your reading but heroin is generally lots cheaper than coke especially in Asia where heroin is much more prevalent than coke.

Two boys partying? Why would they come to Thailand to sit in a room and snort substances in each other's company unless they were gays? Let's wait for the substance report. Sounds like that may open a few more options and I would bet there is foul play involved. Hotel in Klong Toei? Again why would anyone want to stay there?

What a nasty post!

Why oh why would you want to do this to yourself?? 27 and 31 <deleted>.

Drugs are the scourge of our time.

What a joke this statement is. Drug policy is the scourge of our time.

Alcohol is a drug. Tobacco is a drug. Medication from the pharmacy are drugs. Drugs are clearly not 'the scourge of our time.' It is the way we view drugs, the way we isolate some and discriminate against them, and mostly it is the way we view drug users / addicts - not as sick people who desperately need our help but as criminals who deserve to be punished for their crimes.

If they could have popped along to a chemist and bought cocaine safely certainly they would still be alive.

So in a way I suppose, you are correct.

Why would that be then? It's impossible to overdose on drugs from a chemist, is it?

Another idiotic comment.

Just an observation re some other comments; there seems to be an uncomfortably large number of posters who know so much about illegal drugs and their consumption. It's almost as if some are bragging about their knowledge. Maybe this should be taken into account when reading some of the non-sensical posts that appear on TV.

I've taken it into account, and my conclusion is they know something of what they are talking about and you don't!

Arrested them while they were still asleep?

Can't wait for them to clean up Phi Phi, isn't it a national park with no building allowed?

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blablabla blablabla blabla blabla, who cares what this monkey says.

Many voters!

I guess as humans we feel pity for the animals that look most like us. Those animals with big eyes, like monkeys, seals, the cute animals.

We couldn't give a rat's ass about the insects, rodents, shellfish etc. We must come across animal cruelty everyday, in many ways, human cruelty too. but somehow a well fed ape dressed up and performing is much worse than the beggars we see in the streets in Bangkok. Human beggars crippled by gangs who take the money donated to them by deluded peole thinking that they are being rewarded with some BS karma.

I digress....

The thing with the organutans is that without zoos and without the tourist dollar there wouldn't be any left here at all in Asia. There are a few in the wild, in Indonessia I think, Borneo, but those are in reserves that are maintained by western dollars. Without conservation and zoos these animals would disappear from the radar. Maybe one of the kids that watches one of these 'shows' will remember the animals and try to something about conserving them when they grow older. Its a crap shot, its not ideal, but I can think of a lot worse things happening in the kingdom than this.

''The thing with the organutans is that without zoos and without the tourist dollar there wouldn't be any left here at all in Asia. There are a few in the wild, in Indonessia I think, Borneo, but those are in reserves that are maintained by western dollars.''

Always nice to hear from an expert.

number Pongo abelii Sumatran orangutan Sumatra 6,667 Pongo pygmaeus Bornean orangutan Borneo P. p. morio Northeast Bornean orangutan Sabah 11,017 P. p. morio Northeast Bornean orangutan East Kalimantan 4,825 P. p. wurmbii Central Bornean orangutan Central Kalimantan >31,300 P. p. pygmaeus Northwest Bornean orangutan West Kalimantan and Sarawak 7,425

What about horse racing a multi-billion pound/dollar industry. Is this cruelty to animals?

Not saying I agree with orangutan boxing because I don't, but I got the feeling a lot of you that are jumping on the animal rights bandwagon would jump at the chance of a free ticket to the Grand National or the Kentucky Derby.

'' but I got the feeling a lot of you that are jumping on the animal rights bandwagon would jump at the chance of a free ticket to the Grand National or the Kentucky Derby''

Not me! wouldn't go there if you paid me, nearly as boring as golf.

Humans really have done the job on orangutans - destroyed their habitat, hunted them to the brink of extinction, snatched infants for a lucrative market in cute primates and the ultimate indignity: for our amusement we dress them up as ourselves and train them to imitate our behaviour.

Its a depressing reflection on how humanity has no respect for the world and the other living things we share it with.

Speak for yourself!

He speaks for me also.

Well, back to the article shall we?

How do you feel about the UDD offering large amounts of money as a reward for MiB convictions? That would seem rather ridiculous if as you claim they were actually funded & controlled by the same people.

How much are the Dems offering?

No PPD. The MIB ARE controlled by the same people who offer the reward. They can get the money back. Get it!!! Therefore the amount is irrelevant.

- MIB??!! I thought they didn't exist. (According to UDD, Chalerm and the rest of the liars)

-To late to play this money/reward game. Should have done it before the dems came out.

The dems ''came out''? must be that English university education!

Pattaya is getting quite busy these days with stabbings/crime. Great for tourism. Wasn't Pattaya going the be the prime location in Thailand to take your family on vacation?

Name any one tourist destination anywhere in the world which is popular with most people and you will get the same.

Singapore ?

He did say ''popular with most people''.

Everyone can walk in a pharmacy here and buy almost everything. From codeine to valium.. the choice is your's.

Thats a real problem.

Drugs, difficult problem. However not everyone reacts the same to drugs. I have in the past used xtc and many of my friends did too. They held a job and just used it in the weekends like once every 2 weeks. I used weed too no problems either. Many others did not have a problem too.

Just like with alcohol its a small group that gets addicted, question is should you ban it all just to protect a few at the expense of the freedom of others.

I do feel that you should never use drugs alcohol included to operate any vehicle ever. Its totally immoral to endanger others. But it seems among expats that drinking and driving is widely accepted.

For the record i haven't used drugs since i left my country the Netherlands. We don't have much of a problem compared to other countries. I am also not inclined to use drugs at this point as it does not work together with the rest of my lifestyle now.

Why take the risk in the first place? No-one knows what the outcome will be by introducing any substances into your body. Those that take the first step are playing Russian roulette and as in RR, not much chance of return if the chamber is full. Sheer stupidity no matter how you try justify it.

Oh please! you sound just like this Finnish guy I met once on Koh Jum, he would get pissed and obnoxious every night and lecture me about smoking weed!

You sound loads of fun.

The tokay geckos referred to are dam_n big, i don't know about cat sized though. They are pretty common in the pet trade in America. I have heard they can be quite mean little suckers as pets, yet harmless (even beneficial) as "houseguests". They tend to love pretty big spaces (something you could just barely not fit your arm behind) behind cabinets and such. They are noisy as all hell, kind of a pain in that way.

In my wife's village there are rumors about their feet being able to cause some sort of damage to the skin. This is all based on some movie or something (any help?)? Not that i've researched this, but i'm 99.9% sure that is total crap.

I have not read through the entire thread, but I saw a cobra here. I would think that is near the top. I was actually very happy to have seen it, it was truly a thing of beauty.

Granted, it wouldn't be a huge cat, but I did say Thai cat. Wish I'd had a camera on me but it was '88 so before mobiles. Don't suppose there's much like that around any more given the amount of Isaan people around these days.

Would this story have been so high-hitting if he was still the heir to Red-Bull but; Red- Bull was a Citroen sponsor, and he'd been driving a 2CV?

I do wonder!

-mel.

Seriously? The make of the car has nothing to do with the story . . . it's all about the actions and attitude of the driver and his family, i.e. no remorse, think they are above the law, know they can pretty much get away with murder etc etc. . . .fairly typical attitudes to be honest with respect to the "hi-so" here.

If the story was about the 'actions and attitude of the driver and his family', as you put it succinctly, then there would be a lot more hit and run reports in the weekly news, surely?

I believe the fact that he is heir to billions of US$ and was driving a Ferrari all point to him, and not necessarily actions of his 'family', as they were all probably fast asleep in bed, and not high on coke or alcohol.

I don't believe the HI-SO family he comes from condones his actions, and I further that he is solely responsible for 'using' his own finances to curtail his own actions.

There has been little, or no, reported words from the elders in his established family purporting to hide his actions.

For that, I don't or wouldn't knock all Hi-So families in believing they are above the law. It is generally the Hi-So government elected who believe they are above the law, is it not? So saying, "They believe they can get away with murder", I don't think is applicable in this domain. I think the young asshol_e himself is tantamount to his beliefs, as a spoiled little brat. I do hold the parents responsible, however, for convening his immaturity and neglect of others. That's a different agenda, though.

-mel.

Interpreter please.

The Police(red shirts) are actually going to do their job and stick this kid(yellow shirt) in the slammer.

This family can't keep their kid out of jail? That will be a serious loss of face.

They won't be able to show their face again at the country club.

What has it got to do with reds and yellows? Grow up please!

next weeks question where do you buy nice fitting underpants from

It could be interesting for everybody:

After few weeks of searching, finally I've found a nice raincoat. Actually it's a huge poncho, covering the whole motorbike. I tried it in the last 2 days and it just works perfectly! It was strong wind and rain yesterday afternoon, but this raincoat did't leak at all, I was only a little bit wet at my feet. Finally!

I've found it at a shop in Ao Nang, but this was the last one. I payed 600 baht for it.

If you search "dryve raincoat"in Google, you will find the distributor, and you will pay them only 500 baht.

Safe drive!

Ummm really safe. Covers the front AND rear lights:o

sent from my Wellcom A90+

Actually, you don't need an underpant, because only your feet will be a little bit wet in the big storm.

Yes, it covers the front lights with a transparent material, but it didn't disturbe be driving nighttime. But it doesn't cover the rear lights as I'm sitting on the raincoat. :-) With my helmet it's a perfect protection and yes, it's SAFE!

No way is that safe, so many ways that could impair or snag you in a gust of wind.

Could never see the point of this place really and it's certainly not worth the 200 bht fee to go and see it.

Please don't tell me they're charging to go in there these days, not worth a baht. Come to think of it, there was a funny little box in the entrance last time I was riding around aimlessly a couple of years ago, didn't think much of it, he must of been asleep, not that I care, I decided 20yrs or so ago when they started charging 10 - 20 times what the locals pay, that they can shove it, seen lots of 'em anyways.

Yeah Yeah! don't believe a word of it.

Dear Corruption, you are an amateur, over here in the u.k., we pay people extra for doing their job and call it a bonus, and if you're useless enough at your job and manage to bring a bank near to bankruptcy, we'll pay you millions, you can't get corrupter than that! Then we'll not elect a government, then this not elected government will reward their banker friends, who have nearly bankrupted the western economies, by cutting their taxes and getting the money back off the poor and sick and unfortunate.

Khun Corruption, you have a lot to learn.

Regards.

Democratic free market capitalism.

''Australia has expertise in investigation and cross border crime''

and what border would that be then? hope the Aussies learned something.

Put YOU in charge? I wouldn't put you in charge of the toilet!

If it is circa 1975...and the frame has been repaired once or thrice...metal fatigue maybe a seriously limiting factor when it comes to fun riding the trails. You can only work those tubes so much before they loose the will to live!

I could be wrong but it looks to be a fairly recent aluminium frame.

Doesn't look ally to me.

Used to be able to, had a cbx750 for a couple of weeks, got it from some guy who had a couple of cars and bikes somewhere near the malaysia. Was a time ago though.

Just under 50 years ago it was a real paradise. Dead during the week but very lively at weekends. No Hotels just bungalows. Great seafood. Most of the expats were working in Bangkok and lots of embassy people and nice Thais. Water was very clear. No scuba divers so great spearfishing. Got about 100 kilos daily good eating fish . Large and lively "disco". No bar girls. No riff raff.

Well I was there in '66 and all I can remember IS Bar girls by the bucket load and plenty of riff raff, Us!

''He was also happy to reveal his supplier''

Just can't get the staff these days!

The boot on his testicles made him happy to squeal!