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oh boo hoo.

i had my hopes pinned on us getting through to the next round, it going to extra and then winning on a penalty shoot out.

then for us to be absolutely thrashed by one of the big guns in the Quarter Finals.

damn, just can't get what you wish for these days, can you ?

heard on the radio this morning in the U.K. that there is a social media campaign to get this song to no. 1 in the charts as the unofficial world cup song for England.

got to be better than any of the other crap attempts that are out there at the moment !

a comical genius that will be sorely missed.

^ hold your horses just a minute you lot.

the Netherlands aren't as bad as you think.

off the top of my head in the knockout qualifying groups they beat the Irish in less 14 over chasing a 180+ target to get through to the main tournament.

they were a should of beaten S. A. a canter had it not been for some poor batting down the order and some good comeback bowling.

they have some exceptional quicks, a good spinner and a couples of Aussie ringers that bat well and ply their trade in the leagues down under.

as for the tournament itself it is what it is just like any other t/ 20 match truely unpredictable and IMHO not cricket.

its a shame to have seen good sides like the black caps, Pakistanis and Aussies exit so early compared maybe a side like the Windies.

having said that i hope the Indians win, they have been true class in every department.

as for the Lankans they have been lucky to get this far and i don't like cheats !

better late than never, back in the old country though it is only just past 6 o' clock.

anyway slightly off the beaten track, but just warming up !

Suck it up buttercup.

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oh i am, with a handicap mark of - 7 at just under even money.

carry on smoking old chap.

btw what has happened to the original Gunners thread ?

no need to reply carms and alfie you know you'll only regret in the long run.

Well fair play to Wenger, no excuses from him. Said only the fans performed for 90 minutes (!), we were very poor in every department and congratulated the mickey mousers for their performance.

This post must have hurt. Nice.

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are you smoking that shrub instead of wearing it today ?

Some tourists do get it,adventure tourism.It's all about seeing the world,its not all wats and beachs you know.I was a spectator in1991,great experience.

Quite - I was a spectator in 1992 when there was real trouble. Certainly an experience and wouldn't want to witness it again.

NO forwigner has ever been deported for taking part in a demonstration that I know of.

Some people are paranoid wooses.

not sure about what happened to this moron, but i would hazard a guess.......

hands up who remembers this moron from last time around ?

two words, Sabra and Shatila.

i rest my case !

wow ! the intensity both on and off the field is quite amazing and something to behold. never seen anything like it in an AFL match before. the Dockers are really giving it to the Swans and i was always told and lead to believe that Perth resembled a sleepy over 60"s retirement village.

great atmosphere and intriguing game between the tigers and the blues.

gotta say the tigers should have enough in reserve to fight off the blues especially considering the fact of how many knocks they've picked up already. the blues are clinging on in there and you never know though, this weekend has already thrown up it's fare share of head scratching shock results.

please correct me if i am wrong and slightly off topic, sorry, but to all the Thai apologists out there.

i seem to remember a few years back a guy having the living crap beaten out of him in Phuket in front of his wife and kid/kids by a load of taxi drivers for parking in a legitimate parking bay.

do you feel in some way that their behavior was justified ?

They will be eating only grub made by AVB's autntiethis week mate.

that's what you think mate !

most of you got it right. LMFAO !

what an utter load of tosh !

80 + days of Levy being a complete c!@# including today and you lot all spouting off about the fact that Bale ain't going know where.

i tell you what Ian let's wait until Sunday evening to pass judgment shall we.

and do me and the rest of the forum a favor mods, don't let them have another thread like this one again.

what a bunch of wannabee attention seekers and you wonder why all the other London clubs are in full agreement about one thing.

How has it been, can you elaborate as you obviously know the full details!

80 + days of Levy being a complete c!@# including today

let's just say alfie and ian come to think of it, i a long with all the other Gooners that i work with have our ways of keeping tabs on a day to day basis on what goes on behind closed doors at your club.

btw hope all the chavs and chumps within your squad enjoy all their training ground meals this week. we took special tender care getting your caterers order made up.

here's a clue if your a bit on the slow side as i know some of you spuds can be.

Lasagna !

Thirty nine pages of guff....you wonder why we wanted a separate thread?

So....has amyone stumped up the asking price yet?

No they haven't have they?.....no surprises gents.

Bring on the Woolwich....let's boot em back to sarf London.

...thirty nine pages of guff............half of it by Spuds.

I think you will find most of us got it right..... Lets pass judgment on Sunday morning shall we?

most of you got it right. LMFAO !

what an utter load of tosh !

80 + days of Levy being a complete c!@# including today and you lot all spouting off about the fact that Bale ain't going know where.

i tell you what Ian let's wait until Sunday evening to pass judgment shall we.

and do me and the rest of the forum a favor mods, don't let them have another thread like this one again.

what a bunch of wannabee attention seekers and you wonder why all the other London clubs are in full agreement about one thing.

Yeah but if he wants to win the League at White Hart Lane, Wenger's the man to do it. It worked for Sol Campbell, innit?

exactly Chicoq, wouldn't be the first time now would it ?

and why don't the spuds disclose who's bid for him then ?

<deleted> lightweight small club wannabee 's thinking they are a big club trying to play hard ball with the big boys !

Let me ask them a question; though neither of them will answer it:

If someone involved in one or both camps had taken advantage of the bookies odds for a draw; why did both teams put so much effort into trying to get a result?

i will answer your question, but first one for you.

A lot more than one question in your post!

The bookies, and everyone else, thought that after England's negative batting on Friday (a tactic that owed nothing to T20 cricket or the IPL!) and the loss of Saturday that the game was going to be a draw.

The Oval used to be a great batting track. People who really know about the game, Botham, Warne, Boycott, Holding etc., all agree that this pitch was rubbish.

The rest of your post is paranoid rubbish.

Friday England's first priority was to reach the follow on target. To do that they had to not lose wickets. It's a tired cliché of his which appears in Boycott Bingo, but Boycott is correct when he says "You can't score runs in the dressing room."

As you claim to be a lover of good old fashioned test cricket and a hater of the modern game and a Yorkshireman, I would have thought you would have agreed with him and England's tactics on Friday!

Sunday morning after reaching the follow on target England knew that they were unlikely to lose; so they batted with a bit more freedom.

Clarke, with or without discussion with Cook, decided to try and salvage a win in this series by making a game of it. Doubtless because he didn't want to be the first Aussie captain since 1977 to leave England without winning at least one test.

When Clarke declared at tea, England went for it; doubtless because they wanted to be the first English team ever to win a home Ashes series 4-0.

No conspiracy involving bookies or Murdoch; just sound, cricketing reasons. Reasons which are used all the time in county cricket to try and get a result.

But maybe you think county cricket is corrupt as well!

I do agree, though, that both the 50 over game and T20 have had an influence on the way test cricket is played these days and the expectations of those who watch it.; sometimes good, sometimes not so.

I have commented on that earlier in this topic, though, and have no intention of repeating it here. Go look for those comments if you wish.

As for my question, I do admit to a misreading and misunderstanding of your previous post on this; having reread it I now assume you actually meant that Clarke and Cook had quietly bet on a result.

what you have to try and understand though is how bookies read betting trends. if they think something isn't above board they will suspend betting or make it inconceivable to even think of betting on one outcome because the odds are so ridiculously short. in this instance they did't suspend, but did make the odds incredibly short. put another way, they bottled it because somebody lumped on big time.

even more suspect though was that towards the end of the test England chased a 50 over score in one session, went odds on and then the umpires pulled the plug. which meant that somewhere a long the line the bookies got out of jail.

over the years they have made countless amounts of errors concerning cricket betting and tend to like to make their rules up as they go a long.

2 examples off the top of my head. the England vs Pakistan test were the umpires ruled in favor of England winning the test after the Pakistani's walked off. England were heavily odds against to win that test when it all kicked off and guess what ? they paid out on England and pocketed a hat full. the ICC later ruled the game a tie or void ( can't remember ) and gave the Aussie umpire a disciplinary, but the bookies never refunded the bets, even though they say they pay out on the official result.

the other example being when they first started to take bet on i day cricket they forgot to conveniently have odds on a draw result. if you asked them for odds on a draw they wouldn't, but take part of your stake as a losing bet if you bet on one side to win and the outcome was a draw.

we also both know that county cricket a long with t/20 40 and 50 over cricket is a totally different kettle of fish, don't we. so that argument is a non starter i'm afraid.

and for your info, although i will let you off, even though i have posted it before. but you obviously haven't read the post properly

i am the grandson and the son of of a Yorkshireman and Yorkshire lass.

A scheduled 10am start instead of 11am would not have made any difference yesterday as the heavy overnight rain meant that play wasn't possible until 11:30 anyway.

It's a shame that the rules meant the game could not be played to a finish, but rules is rules. Having set the benchmark on Thursday when they stopped play due to the light, the umpires had no choice; they had to stop last night when the light dropped to that level.

Kudos to Clarke for setting a reachable target with his declaration, and kudos to England for going for it.

Of course Mr Knowsnothingabouttestcricket is spouting his usual rubbish, and I see he's brought a friend along this time.

Let me ask them a question; though neither of them will answer it:

If someone involved in one or both camps had taken advantage of the bookies odds for a draw; why did both teams put so much effort into trying to get a result?

i will answer your question, but first one for you.

why do you think the bookies made the draw such a nailed on cert ?

before the test started it was the outside of the three outcomes at 3/1 or there about's depending on which bookie you went with.

people who know a thing or two about the game do a bit of homework !

everyone knows that the oval is a great batting track, then take into account team selection ( 2 big calls that not even the pundits could predict as far as England were concerned ) then the good start the Aussies got on the first morning and most importantly the 5 day weather forecast.

by lunch on the first day the bookies were running scared and had made the draw the odds on fav.

now who broadcasts the ashes and who owns the company ? Sky, yes ? Murdoch, yes ? ( bent as they come ) Sky also own their own betting company btw.

and what about the ad breaks, ever seen them ? near enough in between every over there are countless amounts of book making firms offering in running betting offers.

do you not think it at all possible that maybe someone behind the scenes might have tried to tap someone up for a fee ? i mean it wouldn't be the first time would it ? and the game hasn't exactly got a squeaky clean image has it, as far a betting scams go ?

or have you got your blinkers on again, as usual ?

all i was suggesting initially was that the way Tests are played these days and the way the teams play them, to me isn't the way i think the game should be played. ie i don't like the influence that twenty/20 has on cricket these days. teams don't know how to bat anymore. look at this series for example. how many times did either side reach a score over 400 ? you even nearly had one side batting their 2nd innings on the first day a few times for god sake.

the game is just all about keeping the rich that have too much influence and that make too much money out of cricket even richer.

and i think that it just might be conceivable that maybe some was scared of losing a bit too much money out of this test, so a little bit of friendly persuasion might of been administered.

The utter farce is your complete and utter lack of understanding of Ashes cricket.

mate, i was there at Headingley with my Grandad a proud Yorkshireman to see Beefy, now that was real ashes cricket !

sorry but you don't know what you are talking about and it's coming out your Arse.

ask any Aussie and they will agree.

what a total farce of a test and the blame lays solely at the doorstep of twenty/20 cricket, the IPL and the money whores that promote it and play it !

And me. I'm in favour of making a game of it as well. Personally, I'd rather see them play until next Tuesday. But there's no point in abandoning a game and saying "never mind, game abandoned by an act of God for a bit of rain. If they can't play in rain, they should play when it's not raining

SC

Maybe they should start a bit earlier

just one fact and i will rest my argument.

the draw overnight was 1/200 with most bookmakers and now this.

please, it's more bent than Dennis Lillie putting a tenner on England in the old days !

what a total farce of a test and the blame lays solely at the doorstep of twenty/20 cricket, the IPL and the money whores that promote it and play it !

This Essendon Carlton game could explode

5 mins prior to kick off the English bookies were giving the bombers a +19.5 point handicap at near enough even money.

1. they obviously hadn't heard the team news and

2. more importantly someone must of not told them that it's a derby.

now i know Essendon have faded badly over this last month or so ( especially in the second half ), but i reckon that's crazy odds !

is it just me or have some of the umpires/refs call this weekend been particularly <deleted> ?

Hawthorn vs N. Melbourne and now the Geelong vs Sydney game.

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I keep well away from Bangkok and feel very safe.Not realy scared of anything,if i die i die,if i kill someone i kill someone.

10 Years in Pattaya is far safer than cities in the uk,and i feel extremly safe,and only a phone call away from good help.

yeah Pattaya has a lot in common with Stoke does'nt it ?