YoungBrit

Dr. Chakkrit has treated dogs with H. canis before and is a pretty good vet.

I hope that the dog not showing sx yet means the disease is in its early stage.

Fingers crossed you and the dog get more optimistic news from Dr. Chakkrit.

Wish you good luck!

Thanks very much. We got the result late last week. He has a strain that can be cured in a lot of cases so he is on antibiotics and we need to take him back in a another week to check his blood again.

Dr. Chakkrit was excellent! Thanks to yourself and everyone else that recommended him.

YoungBrit

Oh, that's wonderful news! Now, keep on having my fingers crossed for some perfect blood test results next week.

Thanks very much! Me too. Although I would be very surprised if next weeks results came back negative. I think after 4-6 weeks is more likely.

Fingers crossed!

72 days is far to long to be without football but definitely agree need to know the options as soon as possible!

There is a rough guide that can be applied to most dogs of +5minutes per day per month of age of the pup/dog.

So at 7 months => 35 minutes walking per day at 9 months 45 minutes etc. up to an hour for mature dogs. Our timings and durations depend on the weather, heat and day of the week.

Active play around the house/garden does not contribute to this time.

The walking can be on-lead (good for control training and being used to being on-lead) or accompanied as we do when walking across the fields, river, Wat and back home. Starting and ending on-lead, free roam in the middle with the option to go on-lead depending on who/what we meet en-route.

The issue of concern is causing joint damage in a breed that is susceptible to various joint dysplasia problems (typically hip/elbow), Labradors are a breed that can often carry this inherited disease. I believe that incessant in-breeding of cousins has allowed breed specific diseases to flourish. more so in recent years, particularity where motive is puppy sales rather than health of the stock.

Canine Elbow Dysplasia=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elbow_dysplasia

Canine Hip Dysplasia=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canine_hip_dysplasia

There are checks that a vet can carry out to see what the "Hip score" is, a rating of if affected and if so how badly affected a dog is. Mostly this problem becomes apparent in older dogs, but pups showing signs are not uncommon and their life-experience and treatments are not easy. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labrador_Retriever#Inherited_disorders

Part of the mix in limiting walking (forced exercise) is to reduce any physical injury that affects development of a pup's joints and so acts as a precursor to joint problems later in life.

For example: A family will enjoy watching a pup scramble to climb a staircase at home and then jump down the stairs in turn, oh what fun!

....pity that the shock pressure that is experienced by the pup on paws and shoulder joints is completely unnatural, pups generally do not live on mountains, and such activity will damage the pup. Larger the breed (weight) the greater the damage.

Even my Golden (about 18mth-2yrs and 37Kg) and Rottie-Cross (5Yr-40Kg) I don't left jump down from the back of the SUV, certainly not onto hard ground.

In all the treatment programs I've seen for CED/CHD include Glucosamine (often from sea-borne micro creatures), I see this is too little too late in the treatment of a condition that is not going to improve with a late change of diet and needs surgery that is expensive and generally not common in Thailand I understand.

So why not avoid the problem latter in life by feeding a diet that carries Glucosamine in a natural form that dogs would have eaten for thousands of years, namely chicken bodies etc. Animal joints (chicken legs/wings/backbones) carry Glucosamine in a form that is readily digested and is bio-available to the dog's system.

I also feed a small amount of vitamin C as I have read about this being a missing nutriment that plays a part in the whole scheme, we feed a little Papaya or Guava, sometimes as is; if I'm eating some from a plate the dogs will desire to share some of my food so it's an easy hit. Otherwise half a vitamin C tablet can be used when training your dog to accept medication or in left-overs that are also seen by the dog as a treat being shared food from the boss.

The other thing to consider during and after your walks is to carry out a paw/pad inspection. If your established daily pattern includes a walk your dog will move heaven and earth to accompany you on your walk/patrol/hunt and mark out your/his territory. So if he is suffering a cut pad he is likely to walk on it - how dogs can endure such pain is beyond me. One of mine suffered a cut that I choose to carry half a mile home, took a week to heal.

Thanks very much for this excellent information, some great points that I will be in mind.

YoungBrit

Dr. Chakkrit has treated dogs with H. canis before and is a pretty good vet.

I hope that the dog not showing sx yet means the disease is in its early stage.

Fingers crossed you and the dog get more optimistic news from Dr. Chakkrit.

Wish you good luck!

Thanks very much. We got the result late last week. He has a strain that can be cured in a lot of cases so he is on antibiotics and we need to take him back in a another week to check his blood again.

Dr. Chakkrit was excellent! Thanks to yourself and everyone else that recommended him.

YoungBrit

I think you're doing just fine.

We have 4 dogs, a lab (2 years old), a golden and 2 shih Tsuzs and we take them on a daily walk lasting about 15 mins. The Golden is old and just lumbers along, but we let the lab off the lead and he scampers around like crazy and wears himself out.

We also have a decent sized garden and all the dogs can run around and take exercise. Sometimes the lab goes crazy and races around the pool edge at very high speed. We don't let any of them in the pool as it will clog up the system with their hairs.

Check his weight - if he is in good shape with just a hint of his bone cage showing through his skin on the sides then he is about right.

The biggest problem with pet dogs here is overweight, and it is even more unhealthy in a hot climate - just like us....

Enjoy your dog - labs are great fun and very loving.

Thanks very much for the help Mobi. Will keep going with what I am doing with adding swimming in a couple of times a week.

Thank,

Young Brit

if it truly is a lab swimming is the best way to exhaust it.

A body of water, an old tennis racket and a couple of tennis balls.

whack, wait, repeat until the dog wont return the ball.

exercised.

He is a labrador thai, been told mostly taken the lab side.

I will be taking him swimming. Thanks very much.

I have taken in (stray) a male labrador (7-10 months vets estimation) who is living outside (perfectly happily) in a fairly decent sized garden. By that I mean I can throw a ball and he can run and retrieve etc.

He sleeps most of the day due to the heat but early morning and evening he has a lot more energy. I have read a lot about how far and long to walk him and have seen a puppy should not be walked to much etc.

I was wondering what people would recommend because of the heat here how it differs from normal conditions?

Currently he is getting 10mins walk in the morning and about a 20min walk + play time (fetch) in the evening. On the weekends he is getting a lot longer in the late afternoon evening......40mins to an hour. If he is restless in the evenings I will also take him out for another 10mins before I sleep.

Just looking for advice/ thoughts on this?

Thanks,

YoungBrit

Certainly an interesting thread.

RIP to the deceased.

Very fortunate indeed!

If quoted correctly, that sounds like a "come and get me" call.

Just to give an update, I spoke with Dr Chatri (not sure about spelling) at Ban Ma kha vet and he said it is all dependent on the dog. I will take him there to see what he recommends to do.

Fingers crossed!!

YoungBrit

> How likely is that to happen if we follow all tick control measure?

You have to be effective and successful in your tick control at all times.

For transmission to your dogs the tick-route has to be successful just once.

The odds are against you, or rather against your current dogs.

> ....much info as possible about this disease. Proving difficult so far so any help/advice/info would be greatly welcomed.

Does this fact alone suggest that there is still a lot to be discovered about this condition.

Your motive is admirable indeed, but I question if emotion is displacing common sense here?

I suggest you are seeking to gamble with your current dog's well-being as your stake in a dice throw.

Unless you have some special status that makes you truly immune form the risk of having to leave Thailand and being able to oversee the care of this special situation and access to veterinary care that seems to be bleeding edge in the First World, you are making a rod for someone else's back.

I have zero experience in this illness, but from reading the symptoms and general condition of dogs with this illness I see that they are likely to be stiff, lethargic, and depressed with walking problems, muscle wasting etc. Will your dogs respond to this new-comer with welcoming paws or take the stance that an ill-dog is not welcome in the pack.

I would expect it to cause stress to the infected dog as it attempts to be 'normal' among others, I've seen dogs walk on badly cut pads to "keep up" for fear of rejection. Where a dog is experiencing pain and needing to maintain a status I can't see an easy life ahead.

I'm sure you will have considered that the whole situation is greater than just the dosing of medication and the risk of cross infection. The integration of a new dog can be problematic, integration of a new dog with pre-existing condition that will only deteriorate with time seems less than wise.

Thanks for your reply, all valid points that are going through my head. I would like to stress that I cannot see that this dog is ill or in pain in any way. Apart from the skin conditions, until the vet did the blood tests she thought he was perfectly healthy. Of course like you said he might be hiding it.

Thanks again for all your points, I am bearing them all in mind.

Thanks again,

YoungBrit

From the pdf HEPATOZOON CANIS AND HEPATOZOONOSIS IN THE DOG by A. Ivanov*, I. Tsachev (See link below):

THERAPY AND PREVENTION

The primary drug used nowadays in the therapy of canine Hepatozoon canis infection is Imodocarb dipropionate. It is applied at 5-6 mg/kg, subcutaneously or intramuscularly at 14-day intervals until the disappearance of gamonts in blood. Usually, one or two injections are sufficient, but in severe infections, an 8-week or longer treatment could be necessitated (10).

In order to treat the possible coinfections transmitted by the tick vector, often Imidocarb dipropionate is combined with

Doxycycline at daily oral doses of 10 mg/kg for 21 days. The percentage of healed dogs with low Hepatozoon canis parasitaemia is high and mostly depends on other accompanying diseases. The prognosis in animals with high parasitaemia rates is guarded. In experimental studies, 48% of dogs with high parasitaemia are reported to survive

but after almost 2-month specific therapy (10).

The prevention of Hepatozoon canis infection is based upon the effective control of ticks on dogs and in the environment.

Hepatozoon canis prognosis: https://www.google.co.th/search?q=hepatozoon+canis+prognosis&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

Hepatozoon canis treatment: https://www.google.co.th/search?q=hepatozoon+canis+prognosis&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a#gs_rn=14&gs_ri=psy-ab&tok=NdcAjgSVAp7a9jBRnV9Z0g&pq=hepatozoon%20canis%20prognosis&cp=25&gs_id=ipz&xhr=t&q=hepatozoon+canis+treatment&es_nrs=true&pf=p&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US%3Aofficial&sclient=psy-ab&oq=hepatozoon+canis+treatmen&gs_l=&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_qf.&bvm=bv.47008514,d.bmk&fp=2fc2536143b80f10&biw=1025&bih=447

Did you go for a second opinion already, such as the Small Animal Hospital or Ban Mha ka Meaw. as it is not necessarily incurable, reading from the above part of the report.

Did you ask the vet what kind of meds the dog is receiving?

Thanks for this, I had not found this.

I havn't found out what meds the vet will recommend , I will be doing so when the vet opens at 9. I am also going to get a 2nd opinion. Thanks again, will post once I have more info.

A problem I am getting is conflicting info, like the vet has said incurable as has some info whereas the report above and other vets I have spoken to have said treatable with antibiotics for a period and then most are cured. I think it depends on how high the percentage of the infection is in his blood. That needs to be my next question I guess.

Thanks again

Young Brit

Hi all,

I was wondering if any dogs owners here had ever come across a blood disease called Hepatozoonosis. I am looking to take in a stray but my vet has done blood tests and has said he has this incurable disease. I had a few questions regarding it if anyone had any knowledge experience with it I would be very thankful to hear from them?

A few of the questions are:

1. I have been told that it is only transferable to our other 2 dogs by them ingesting an infected tick? How likely is that to happen if we follow all tick control measure?

2. Although incurable, I have been told it is manageable with daily medication. Is this true? How normal of a life is he going to have being in this medicine for the rest of his life?

I am desperate to give this lovely dog a home and am trying to find out as much info as possible about this disease. Proving difficult so far so any help/advice/info would be greatly welcomed.

Thanks in advance,

Paul

Some of the troops were on the booze here at the Greenery tonight and have gone out, but there was some very beautiful soldier's( female's ) amongst the group most had large bottles of Chang and Singa in hand, all seemed very relaxed and they have been very well behaved here, when they leave the girls on the front desk and the cleaning ladies will miss them and the tips

Of course probably a different group, but an American soldier caused a huge riot last night according to hear say. Hundred strong Thai mob chasing 6 American military men out Zoe area!!! Apparently he hit a Thai girl! Of course, this is only what I have heard.

Found it now.

Could you share please?

Thanks,

YoungBrit

About 4 years ago I was in smile bar on Muang Mueng and there was a guy who was a spitting image for Keith Richards. He looked so alike people were having their picture taken with him. Think the guy lived here so might be the same man although 4 years is obviously a long time. YoungBrit

Don't suppose you've got a snap of this geezer?

I think I might have. I will try and fish it out!

About 4 years ago I was in smile bar on Muang Mueng and there was a guy who was a spitting image for Keith Richards. He looked so alike people were having their picture taken with him. Think the guy lived here so might be the same man although 4 years is obviously a long time.

YoungBrit

there was a jumper up at Teppanya Hospital a few nights ago.

The gf and her girlfriend stopped a week ago on the overpass near airport plaza... had a young girl there about to jump. They talked her down, typical story, heartbroken twenty-something caught her bf in bed with another girl. The girls took her to a nearby coffee shop and spent the next few hours talking with her, telling her they'd both experienced the exact same thing in their lives and that they were now pretty happy, so it was nothing to kill yourself over. Eventually they took the girl to the bus station and bought her a ticket to her villiage. They did get a call a few days later from her just to say she arrived home and was doing ok. Alls well that ends well, I guess...

An excellent job by your gf and her friend and I hope the girl is ok! Well done!

I just managed to buy one of the display trees at Big C on the Hang Dong Road.

Thanks for all the help guys.

YoungBrit

Thanks for both the suggestions. Will go and have a look. Yes eyecatcher, I am only looking for an artifcial one.

Thanks again.

YoungBrit

Hi guys,

I am looking to buy a 6ft or bigger christmas tree. I have been to both big c and tesco's on the Hang Dong road but they have both sold out. Any ideas where has them in stock.

Thanks in advance,

YoungBrit

I cannot recommend myself but if you have a property maybe you like us to list it on our website?

The problem in CM is, if you have a house for sale, not many people go into to buy a second hand one, from our statistic, 99% asking for a new one and no way to change their mind to buy a second hand one.

If you have a condo with the right price, the sale should be done in maximum 3 month, if not, the price is wrong

If a second hand house is not easy to sell, it tells me that anyone who thinks about buying a house with the intention of selling it in the not too distant future should reconsider.

You agree or disagree?

I don't own a house and would like your opinion.

Surely if the price was right people would buy it regardless of ghosts or spirits. The fact that they don't sell shows that the price is too high!

To answer the op question I used Perfect Homes and found them extremely helpful when I was looking for a condo.

YoungBrit,

You missed a great night last night, a nice discounted couple of beers and John's place then on down Loy Kroh for some Halloween shenanigans!

Dave, we should do it again this weekend, without the costumes of course! 5555

Now that's a shame! Did you drive yourself or did you pillion?