smedly Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 7 minutes ago, sanemax said: CW was detained and questioned , whether he was actually arrested or not is immaterial . You seem to be claiming that because CW wasnt actually arrested , that means the Thai two are innocent !!!!!!!!! Chris Ware was questioned along with many others and was very quickly cleared of any involvement, what is the point of this, what does it matter. On the other hand a high ranking police officer (the lead investigator) arresting someone and publically claiming they had evidence that connected him to the crime is an entirely different matter, that evidence was never made public and the police officer was quickly transferred and silenced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quack Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 1 hour ago, Briggsy said: This one will be like a hot potato at the Supreme Court. It will get passed round the judges like an unwanted pet. They know if they deal with it properly, their political masters will punish them. If they deal with it as their masters want, they become a joke. It is lose - lose. The good news for the judges is individual accountability for judgements and the naming of judges is shrouded in opacity in Thai courts so they can avoid any blame. Expect a very long wait. Well it's about time one of these so-called judges mans up and does his job. He might get punished by his bosses but he'll surely gain massive respect from the rest of the country. Not that it's likely to happen, since when did a Thai care about anyone but his/her family members? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iReason Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 6 minutes ago, Happy Grumpy said: Good luck boys. You're gonna need it! Unfortunately the appeal will be thrown out in record time. Hardly, if they have already accepted a 319 page document: "The Supreme Court of Thailand has accepted the final appeal of Zaw Lin and Wai Phyo, the two migrant workers sentenced to death for the murders of British Tourists Hannah Witheridge and David Miller on Koh Tao." "The 319 page document points to evidence that Wai Phyo and Zaw Lin had been denied justice and fairness and are innocent of the crimes of which they have been convicted." You see, the "throwing out" bit applies to rejecting a case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiscoDan Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 5 minutes ago, iReason said: Right. The reporter just made this all up. Is that what you are saying? Eighth Region Police Command commissioner Pol Lt-Gen Panya Mamen identified the first suspect as Mon. He was arrested after evidence which police collected were examined and proved he was involved, he said. He also said another suspect is also a son of that village headman. He said both suspects were captured by CCTV cameras and the police have gathered enough evidence to implicate them in the murders. Same paper 6 days before the above Article Surat Thani police yesterday arrested a British tourist after he was suspected to have connection with the deaths of two fellow Britons in Koh Tao off Surat Thani coast. Police said they arrested him after employees of a resort on the beach told police that the suspect was seen strolling near the scene where the two British tourists were killed on the night of September 14. Besides they also found a significant evidence which is a blood stain on his clothes. http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/british-backpacker-arrested-suspected-murder-fellow-britons-koh-tao/ So does this make Chris Ware guilty then ? Because Thai pbs reported it he must of been walking down the beach at the time of the Murders ? Because Thai pbs reported it, they must of been blood stains on his trousers ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiscoDan Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 6 minutes ago, smedly said: Chris Ware was questioned along with many others and was very quickly cleared of any involvement, what is the point of this, what does it matter. On the other hand a high ranking police officer (the lead investigator) arresting someone and publically claiming they had evidence that connected him to the crime is an entirely different matter, that evidence was never made public and the police officer was quickly transferred and silenced. He wasn't arrested and the police officer was promoted not transferred. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smedly Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 7 minutes ago, DiscoDan said: , but it's one of the main things the conspiracy theorists use to try and there are no conspiracy theorists posting here, there some very highly experienced and educated people offering expert advice to those that are challenged and don't quite understand how law justice and evidence works If you want to talk conspiracy then go start your own thread about the moon landings and see how many join you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanemax Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 2 minutes ago, DiscoDan said: No they were all taken in and questioned as suspects the only people who were arrested are the B2. And you are correct that doesn't mean they are innocent and it does not mean they are guilty, but it's one of the main things the conspiracy theorists use to try and imply they are and it fails the sniff test miserably. The people who feel that the two Thais are guilty are implying that the two Thais are guilty based a multitude of other things , not just the above Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smedly Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 (edited) 3 minutes ago, DiscoDan said: He wasn't arrested and the police officer was promoted not transferred. Arrest Warrant for Koh Tao Murder Suspect to be Issued in Three Days SURAT THANI, 1 October 2014 (NNT) - Royal Thai Police expect to issue a warrant within three days for the arrest of a suspect in the case of the double murder on Koh Tao. Pol.Lt.Gen Panya Mamen, Assistant Commission-General of the Royal Thai Police, today disclosed progress in the investigation of the murders of two British tourists on Koh Tao, Pha Ngan district, Surat Thani province, saying that the police now have enough information to issue an arrest warrant for the suspect in the case. The police have interrogated ten witnesses and received relevant information that conforms with the forensic evidence gathered. The witnesses are Thai citizens and immigrant workers who had been in the AC bar, about the time the crime happened on the nearby beach, after midnight. The police are confident that a warrant can be issued within 2-3 days. ***************This never happened******************* Edited September 23, 2017 by smedly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLCrab Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 (edited) 9 minutes ago, iReason said: <snip> "The 319 page document points to evidence that Wai Phyo and Zaw Lin had been denied justice and fairness and are innocent of the crimes of which they have been convicted." <snip2> The above and the use of the word 'innocent' was written by the SamuiTimes reporter. It was not a statement by the defense attorneys. Edited September 23, 2017 by JLCrab Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StealthEnergiser Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 (edited) Taxi driver says he was beaten up by Thai police investigating murder of two British backpackers because he refused to accept bribe to give false evidence Pornprasit Sukdam claims he was offered £13,300 to implicate football team Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2776072/Taxi-driver-says-beaten-Thai-police-investigating-murder-two-British-backpackers-refused-accept-bribe-false-evidence.html#ixzz4tUGCCYM9 Edited September 23, 2017 by StealthEnergiser Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanemax Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 1 minute ago, DiscoDan said: He wasn't arrested and the police officer was promoted not transferred. Disco Dan : Can I ask you straight question ? As I dont want to pry or ask any person information : May I ask a question with a yes or nor answer . A : Do you live on KT , have a business there or have any connection with those involved or have any reason why you would like the B2 to remain "guilty" B : Do you have no connection with KT and have no vested interest in this case . What is it ? A or B ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiscoDan Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 2 minutes ago, smedly said: Arrest Warrant for Koh Tao Murder Suspect to be Issued in Three Days SURAT THANI, 1 October 2014 (NNT) - Royal Thai Police expect to issue a warrant within three days for the arrest of a suspect in the case of the double murder on Koh Tao. Pol.Lt.Gen Panya Mamen, Assistant Commission-General of the Royal Thai Police, today disclosed progress in the investigation of the murders of two British tourists on Koh Tao, Pha Ngan district, Surat Thani province, saying that the police now have enough information to issue an arrest warrant for the suspect in the case. The police have interrogated ten witnesses and received relevant information that conforms with the forensic evidence gathered. The witnesses are Thai citizens and immigrant workers who had been in the AC bar, about the time the crime happened on the nearby beach, after midnight. The police are confident that a warrant can be issued within 2-3 days. What's this Article to do with it ? he is talking about the B2 article was published a day before there arrest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smedly Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 4 minutes ago, smedly said: Arrest Warrant for Koh Tao Murder Suspect to be Issued in Three Days SURAT THANI, 1 October 2014 (NNT) - Royal Thai Police expect to issue a warrant within three days for the arrest of a suspect in the case of the double murder on Koh Tao. Pol.Lt.Gen Panya Mamen, Assistant Commission-General of the Royal Thai Police, today disclosed progress in the investigation of the murders of two British tourists on Koh Tao, Pha Ngan district, Surat Thani province, saying that the police now have enough information to issue an arrest warrant for the suspect in the case. The police have interrogated ten witnesses and received relevant information that conforms with the forensic evidence gathered. The witnesses are Thai citizens and immigrant workers who had been in the AC bar, about the time the crime happened on the nearby beach, after midnight. The police are confident that a warrant can be issued within 2-3 days. ***************This never happened******************* The key point here is were the primary investigation was taking place - the place the victims were seen alive, shortly after this Panya was transferred and all of this initial investigation interviews and evidence was never mentioned again - it was buried Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iReason Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 5 minutes ago, DiscoDan said: Same paper 6 days before the above Article Surat Thani police yesterday arrested a British tourist after he was suspected to have connection with the deaths of two fellow Britons in Koh Tao off Surat Thani coast. http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/british-backpacker-arrested-suspected-murder-fellow-britons-koh-tao/ More repeated, tedious deflection from a pointed question: The reporter just made this all up? Is that what you are saying? Eighth Region Police Command commissioner Pol Lt-Gen Panya Mamen identified the first suspect as Mon. He was arrested after evidence which police collected were examined and proved he was involved, he said. He also said another suspect is also a son of that village headman. He said both suspects were captured by CCTV cameras and the police have gathered enough evidence to implicate them in the murders. You implied a reporter was fabricating quotes from Eighth Region Police Command commissioner Pol Lt-Gen Panya Mamen. Do you have evidence to substantiate your implication? I think not. Your response is simply diversional blather about Chris Ware. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smedly Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 (edited) 6 minutes ago, sanemax said: Disco Dan : Can I ask you straight question ? As I dont want to pry or ask any person information : May I ask a question with a yes or nor answer . A : Do you live on KT , have a business there or have any connection with those involved or have any reason why you would like the B2 to remain "guilty" B : Do you have no connection with KT and have no vested interest in this case . What is it ? A or B ? you really need to ask ? and don't assume this person is Farang either Edited September 23, 2017 by smedly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iReason Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 12 minutes ago, JLCrab said: The above and the use of the word 'innocent' was written by the SamuiTimes reporter. It was not a statement by the defense attorneys. Simply deflection from the fact, that the case was accepted by the Supreme Court. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLCrab Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 (edited) No -- the attorney said there was 'not enough evidence' for a murder conviction -- not that they were innocent. Edited September 23, 2017 by JLCrab Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiscoDan Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 3 minutes ago, sanemax said: Disco Dan : Can I ask you straight question ? As I dont want to pry or ask any person information : May I ask a question with a yes or nor answer . A : Do you live on KT , have a business there or have any connection with those involved or have any reason why you would like the B2 to remain "guilty" B : Do you have no connection with KT and have no vested interest in this case . What is it ? A or B ? No just look at the facts, plenty of circumstantial evidence points to their guilt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanemax Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 2 minutes ago, DiscoDan said: No just look at the facts, plenty of circumstantial evidence points to their guilt So, your answer was "B" You have no connection what so ever with Koh Tao? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transam Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 1 minute ago, DiscoDan said: No just look at the facts, plenty of circumstantial evidence points to their guilt .................Good grief man.... Their DNA was even on the murder weapon too.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiscoDan Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 8 minutes ago, iReason said: More repeated, tedious deflection from a pointed question: The reporter just made this all up? Is that what you are saying? Eighth Region Police Command commissioner Pol Lt-Gen Panya Mamen identified the first suspect as Mon. He was arrested after evidence which police collected were examined and proved he was involved, he said. He also said another suspect is also a son of that village headman. He said both suspects were captured by CCTV cameras and the police have gathered enough evidence to implicate them in the murders. You implied a reporter was fabricating quotes from Eighth Region Police Command commissioner Pol Lt-Gen Panya Mamen. Do you have evidence to substantiate your implication? I think not. Your response is simply diversional blather about Chris Ware. No it's the same paper making the same false claims if you read the article printed by them the next day is cleary says he was not arrested. http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/new-twist-murder-two-brits-koh-tao/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanemax Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 23 minutes ago, DiscoDan said: He wasn't arrested and the police officer was promoted not transferred. Dont you think thats quite suspicious and suggests a cover-up ? The Police officer in charge of the investigation stated that he knew who carried out the murders (That two), named them and said they had all the evidence needed for a conviction and arrests will be made shortly and he also stated that there would be no cover -up . Prayruth then stated that no Thais could do such a thing and the investigating Police officer was taken off the case and replaced by someone else , and the New Police officer investigating then said that it must have been the Burmese 2 that did it . Thats not only suspicious, its a blatant cover up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saminoz Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, DiscoDan said: Only one paper reported this they also made the same claims about Chris Ware which also turned out to be false. http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/british-backpacker-arrested-suspected-murder-fellow-britons-koh-tao/ Chris Ware was never arrested he was only a suspect yet the same paper claimed he was as well. IT also claimed THERE was significant evidence against him this was also false. What the conspiracy theorists will not tell you about is the article printed by the same paper the next days that states they were not arrested and only brought in as suspects. http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/new-twist-murder-two-brits-koh-tao/ "They were NOT arrested just in police custody he said" You will notice it's only Thai pbs that claimed Chris Ware & Mon has been arrested, and it's the only article conspiracy theorists have to back up their claim. Lol Lol? LOL??!!! I find it quite loathsome that you can find this miscarriage of justice humorous while trying, desperately, still to deflect on this travesty. It has been a while but I forget what,exactly, are your vested interests in this case, and Death Island in particular? No matter what forum this scapegoating is brought back to life on, it is remarkable that you always seem to be at the forefront of those trying desperately to give the keystone cops some credibility and to try to spin any attention whatsoever away from the headman's family. I forget the other ID you were using after the actual murders and during the farce of a trial, but the Disco Dan moniker refers to, presumably, your role as the lead spin doctor? What I am really interested in is why you are so concerned about them having their final appeal accepted? Edited September 23, 2017 by saminoz addition Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiscoDan Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 6 minutes ago, transam said: .................Good grief man.... Their DNA was even on the murder weapon too.... No only a partial profile found and a quarter of the indicators did match one of the suspects http://news.sky.com/story/thai-murders-suspects-dna-not-on-weapon-10345506 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanemax Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 8 minutes ago, DiscoDan said: No it's the same paper making the same false claims if you read the article printed by them the next day is cleary says he was not arrested. http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/new-twist-murder-two-brits-koh-tao/ They were in Police custody , its irrelevant as to whether they were actually arrested or not . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iReason Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 8 minutes ago, JLCrab said: No -- the attorney said there wass insufficient gfrpounds for a murder conviction -- not that they were innocent. [sic] Isn't that was is referred to as a dichotomy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LannaGuy Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 Where is Pol Lt-Gen Panya Mamen? I suspect the courts will do what is politically required as they have before and that, for those two boys, is very unfortunate and a travesty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLCrab Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 To the above: No -- insufficient grounds for conviction and 'innocent' are quite distinct legal concepts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iReason Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 18 minutes ago, DiscoDan said: No it's the same paper making the same false claims if you read the article printed by them the next day is cleary says he was not arrested. http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/new-twist-murder-two-brits-koh-tao/ I see. Who is making the false claims? Just more deflection from: The reporter just made this all up? Is that what you are saying? Eighth Region Police Command commissioner Pol Lt-Gen Panya Mamen identified the first suspect as Mon. He was arrested after evidence which police collected were examined and proved he was involved, he said. He also said another suspect is also a son of that village headman. He said both suspects were captured by CCTV cameras and the police have gathered enough evidence to implicate them in the murders. You implied a reporter was fabricating quotes from Eighth Region Police Command commissioner, Pol Lt-Gen Panya Mamen. Do you have evidence to substantiate your implication? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saminoz Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 40 minutes ago, DiscoDan said: He wasn't arrested and the police officer was promoted not transferred. ....and Thai police are regularly moved to inactive posts because they need a rest and haven't been caught with their hands in the cookie jar? You are such an ingenue! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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