snoop1130 Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 Ex-Trump campaign manager Manafort surrenders to FBI - reports By Karen Freifeld WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Paul Manafort, a former campaign manager for U.S. President Donald Trump, surrendered to federal authorities on Monday in the first charges stemming from a special counsel investigation of possible Russian meddling in the 2016 U.S. presidential election, according to media reports. Manafort arrived at the Federal Bureau of Investigation Washington field office, television video showed. He was to surrender to federal authorities, the New York Times and CNN reported, citing sources. The charges against Manafort would be the first arising from the investigation by Justice Department special counsel Robert Mueller, who was appointed to look into alleged Russian meddling to sway the election in favour of Trump. The charges against Manafort would include tax fraud, according to the Wall Street Journal. A federal grand jury issued the indictment on Friday and a federal judge ordered it sealed, a source briefed on the matter told Reuters, adding it could be unsealed as soon as Monday. Manafort associate Rick Gates would also surrender, the Times reported. Lawyers for Gates and Manafort would not immediately return calls for comment. Manafort, 68, served the Trump campaign from June to August of 2016 before resigning amid reports he may have received millions in illegal payments from a pro-Russian political party in Ukraine. Mueller has been investigating Manafort’s financial and real estate dealings and his prior work for that political group, the Party of Regions, which backed former Ukrainian leader Viktor Yanukovich, sources have told Reuters. Investigators also examined potential money laundering by Manafort and other possible financial crimes, according to the sources. Gates was a long-time business partner of Manafort and has ties to many of the same Russian and Ukrainian oligarchs. He also served as deputy to Manafort during his brief tenure as Trump’s campaign chairman. Trump has denied any allegations of collusion with the Russians and called the probe "a witch hunt." The Kremlin also has denied the allegations. Just before the Manafort report came out, Trump senior adviser Kellyanne Conway insisted any charges would not necessarily implicate Trump or his campaign. "Whatever happens today with the Mueller investigation, we don't even know that it has anything to do with the campaign ...," Conway said on Fox. The Russia investigation has cast a shadow over Trump's 9-month-old presidency and widened the partisan rift between Republicans and Democrats. U.S. intelligence agencies concluded in January that Russia interfered in the election to try to help Trump defeat Democrat Hillary Clinton by hacking and releasing embarrassing emails and disseminating propaganda via social media to discredit her. Mueller is also investigating whether Trump campaign officials colluded with the Russian efforts. (Additional reporting by Mark Hosenball; Editing by Peter Cooney and Jeffrey Benkoe) -- © Copyright Reuters 2017-10-30 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thakkar Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 Sean Hannity (@seanhannity) 20/8/2016, 9:08 AM .@newtgingrich: "Nobody should underestimate how much Paul Manafort did to really help get this [Trump] campaign to where it is right now." Yashar Ali ? (@yashar) 22/3/2017, 8:53 PM WATCH: Newt Gingrich Last August: "Nobody should underestimate how much Paul Manafort did to get this campaign to where it is right now." pic.twitter.com/WXIo1IErT0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 Probably best tweet so far after Manafort news. "Also a good time for public to see which media outlets have been reporting the actual story vs which are obedient vassals of people in power" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boomerangutang Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 "Whatever happens today with the Mueller investigation, we don't even know that it has anything to do with the campaign ...," Kellyanne Conway said on Fox. I know. It does. Does that make me smarter than $172,000/yr. Kellyanne? Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thakkar Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 6 minutes ago, oilinki said: Probably best tweet so far after Manafort news. "Also a good time for public to see which media outlets have been reporting the actual story vs which are obedient vassals of people in power" Roberto Ferdman (@robferdman) 30/10/2017, 7:16 PM Paul Manafort just agreed to turn himself in to the FBI. What should we report on? CNN: Manafort MSNBC: Manafort Fox News: Hamburger emoji pic.twitter.com/Wjsvkb2coW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenny2017 Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 (edited) The ground gets a bit too hot for him with all these " undisclosed payments." Mr. Manafort, a veteran Republican strategist, joined the Trump campaign in March 2016 to help keep delegates from breaking with Mr. Trump in favor of establishment Republican candidates. Mr. Trump soon promoted him to chairman and chief strategist, a job that gave him control over day-to-day operations of the campaign. But Mr. Trump fired Mr. Manafort just months later, after reports that he received more than $12 million in undisclosed payments from Viktor F. Yanukovych, the former Ukrainian president and a pro-Russia politician. Mr. Manafort spent years as a political consultant for Mr. Yanukovych. Edited October 30, 2017 by jenny2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thakkar Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 While every other station is running the Manafort story, these are the things Fox is covering (and, as Dave Barry used to say, I’m not make any of it up): Survey—top halloween candies Google and the new hamburger emoji “Probe shows Dems ties to uranium deal, dossier” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenny2017 Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Thakkar said: While every other station is running the Manafort story, these are the things Fox is covering (and, as Dave Barry used to say, I’m not make any of it up): Survey—top halloween candies Google and the new hamburger emoji “Probe shows Dems ties to uranium deal, dossier” I'm just wondering what the difference between the Ukrainian president and the mafia is, and Manafort as the "political consultant" must have learnt a lot of new tricks. Is Russia finally ruling America remote controlled? Edited October 30, 2017 by jenny2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptHaddock Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 2 minutes ago, jenny2017 said: I'm just wondering what the difference between the Ukrainian president and the mafia is, and Manafort as the "political consultant" must have learnt a lot of new tricks. Is Russia finally ruling America remote controlled? Trump didn't know people like Manafort, Gates, and Carter Page before his campaign, all of whom had ties to the Russians for years before the 2016. The fact that they all were given powerful positions in Trump's campaign has lead some to suspect that they were sent by the Russians specifically for the purpose of getting Trump elected and indebted to the Russians. The main point of the Steele Dossier is the allegation that the Russians were cultivating Trump for years before the 2016 campaign. So, if those suspicions are correct, then, yes, Trump is the Manchurian Candidate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berkshire Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 One of the two, or both, will sing like a canary. Translation? Trump is toast. Ding dong, the witch is dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thakkar Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 5 minutes ago, jenny2017 said: I'm just wondering what the difference between the Ukrainian president and the mafia is, and Manafort as the "political consultant" must have learnt a lot of new tricks. Is Russia finally ruling America remote controlled? The difference between the former Russian-backed Ukrainian President that Manafort worked for and the mafia is that the mafia are less ostentatious, less greedy and less slimy. Is Russia running the Administration by remote control? Who knows? But if I were a Russian dictator, here’s my wish list: A decimated, underfunded State Dept headed by a “friend of Russia” A reluctance by the president to sign Russia sanctions bills. A reluctance to implement said bills if forced to sign. Sow internal divisions within the US. Alienate NATO allies. Allienate neighbors and friends. Sow mistrust among allies and provoke enemies. scrupulously avoid any criticisms of Russia. —remind you of anyone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilostmypassword Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 8 minutes ago, CaptHaddock said: Trump didn't know people like Manafort, Gates, and Carter Page before his campaign, all of whom had ties to the Russians for years before the 2016. The fact that they all were given powerful positions in Trump's campaign has lead some to suspect that they were sent by the Russians specifically for the purpose of getting Trump elected and indebted to the Russians. The main point of the Steele Dossier is the allegation that the Russians were cultivating Trump for years before the 2016 campaign. So, if those suspicions are correct, then, yes, Trump is the Manchurian Candidate. The Siberian Candidate. (joke not original with me) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenny2017 Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 6 minutes ago, CaptHaddock said: Trump didn't know people like Manafort, Gates, and Carter Page before his campaign, all of whom had ties to the Russians for years before the 2016. The fact that they all were given powerful positions in Trump's campaign has lead some to suspect that they were sent by the Russians specifically for the purpose of getting Trump elected and indebted to the Russians. The main point of the Steele Dossier is the allegation that the Russians were cultivating Trump for years before the 2016 campaign. So, if those suspicions are correct, then, yes, Trump is the Manchurian Candidate. Considering all of that as just the tip of the iceberg, what else will follow? When does the next "suicide" occur? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greatwhitenorth Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 Putin was going to win either way. Trump and Clinton both sold their souls to the Russia. Both are corrupt and deserve our contempt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilostmypassword Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 Just now, greatwhitenorth said: Putin was going to win either way. Trump and Clinton both sold their souls to the Russia. Both are corrupt and deserve our contempt. Exactly how did Clinton sell her soul to Russia? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenny2017 Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 2 minutes ago, Thakkar said: The difference between the former Russian-backed Ukrainian President that Manafort worked for and the mafia is that the mafia are less ostentatious, less greedy and less slimy. Is Russia running the Administration by remote control? Who knows? But if I were a Russian dictator, here’s my wish list: A decimated, underfunded State Dept headed by a “friend of Russia” A reluctance by the president to sign Russia sanctions bills. A reluctance to implement said bills if forced to sign. Sow internal divisions within the US. Alienate NATO allies. Allienate neighbors and friends. Sow mistrust among allies and provoke enemies. scrupulously avoid any criticisms of Russia. —remind you of anyone? You're so right.And hundreds of thousands of American heroin addicts can't just be a "coincidence." Afghanistan and Russia, is that where all had started? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptHaddock Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 7 minutes ago, Thakkar said: The difference between the former Russian-backed Ukrainian President that Manafort worked for and the mafia is that the mafia are less ostentatious, less greedy and less slimy. The Mafia is a lot smarter. You don't see wise guys writing "I love it" emails about their upcoming secret meetings with foreign governments to get illegal campaign assistance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greatwhitenorth Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 4 minutes ago, ilostmypassword said: Exactly how did Clinton sell her soul to Russia? something about a $500,000 speach her husband gave, some contributions to the Clinton Foundation at the same time she gave your uranium away I think Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thakkar Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 6 minutes ago, greatwhitenorth said: Putin was going to win either way. Trump and Clinton both sold their souls to the Russia. Both are corrupt and deserve our contempt. There is fairly strong suspicion that Trump’s campaign manager may have sold out to the Russians. There is *some* slight indication that Trump May have done so. There is absolutely *no* indication that Clinton has done so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptHaddock Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 Another Trump campaign aide, George Papadopoulos, has plead guilty to lying to federal officials about conspiracy with the Russians. So, despite Trump's frantic tweets, today is indeed about the Trump campaign conspiracy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thakkar Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 38 minutes ago, jenny2017 said: You're so right.And hundreds of thousands of American heroin addicts can't just be a "coincidence." Afghanistan and Russia, is that where all had started? No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thakkar Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 11 minutes ago, CaptHaddock said: Another Trump campaign aide, George Papadopoulos, has plead guilty to lying to federal officials about conspiracy with the Russians. So, despite Trump's frantic tweets, today is indeed about the Trump campaign conspiracy. “I hire the best people (that Putin tells me to hire)” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilostmypassword Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 14 minutes ago, CaptHaddock said: Another Trump campaign aide, George Papadopoulos, has plead guilty to lying to federal officials about conspiracy with the Russians. So, despite Trump's frantic tweets, today is indeed about the Trump campaign conspiracy. "A former foreign policy adviser for Donald Trump’s presidential campaign pleaded guilty weeks ago to making false statements to the FBI as part of Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s probe. According to court documents released Monday, George Papadopoulos, 30, pleaded guilty to making “material false statements and material omissions” during an interview with the FBI in January as part of its investigation into Russian meddling in the 2016 presidential election and possible collusion with the Trump campaign. The document said Papadopoulos "lied to special agents of the Federal Bureau of Investigation, concerning a federal investigation ... about the timing, extent, and nature of his relationships and interactions with certain foreign nationals whom he understood to have close connections with senior Russian government officials." http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/former-trump-foreign-policy-adviser-george-papadopoulos-pleads-guilty-to-lying-about-contact-with-russians/article/2638962 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
attrayant Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 [Clinton] gave your uranium awayShe did? Was this from her own personal stash? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnefallis Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 37 minutes ago, CaptHaddock said: Another Trump campaign aide, George Papadopoulos, has plead guilty to lying to federal officials about conspiracy with the Russians. So, despite Trump's frantic tweets, today is indeed about the Trump campaign conspiracy. No, idiot, it is not. Has nothing to do with Trump. The best they could come up with was allegations against Manafort for activities years ago. Learn to read. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greatwhitenorth Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 2 minutes ago, attrayant said: She did? Was this from her own personal stash? No, i would have said she gave away her uranium if that is what I meant. By" your"I meant the USA's uranium. sorry for the ambiguity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
attrayant Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 No, i would have said she gave away her uranium if that is what I meant. By" your"I meant the USA's uranium. sorry for the ambiguityI see. But that didn’t happen either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
attrayant Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 The best they could come up with was allegations against Manafort for activities years ago. ...that continued through 2016. Is 2016 “years ago”? [edited out personal insult in quoted post] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnefallis Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 Just now, attrayant said: ...that continued through 2016. Is 2016 “years ago”? Keep trying. Trump isn't going anywhere. But Menendez, Lynch, Comey, Clinton and many others may well be.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boomerangutang Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 1 hour ago, jenny2017 said: I'm just wondering what the difference between the Ukrainian president and the mafia is, and Manafort as the "political consultant" must have learnt a lot of new tricks. Is Russia finally ruling America remote controlled? Manafort has known a lot of dirty tricks for many years. He worked shoulder to shoulder with one of the top dirty trickters in the US; Roger Stone. Indeed, Republicans have the all ten of the top ten dirty tricksters, including Atwater. US politics allows dirty tricks galore. There's no limit on money, manipulating, lies, and spreading untrue dirt on your opponent. Republicans and Russians are experts at that subterfuge. When a Republican takes a time-out from his dirty-tricks business, I can picture him crawling into a cess pit to cool off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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