SURVEY: Time to start culling stray animals?

[Scott]

The recent outbreak of rabies has brought further attention to the number of domestic animals that roam the streets of Thailand.   In your opinion, which is the best option for dealing with the issue of stray animals.

 

Feel free to leave a comment.

[uffe123]

Just was bitten by the neighbors dog. They stated that the dog had been vaccinated, but I dont believe them. went to the hospital and the doctor stated that the animal should have been taken to a vet for observation, which did not happen.

Now taking rabies shots as doctor recommended. Also had to had to get tetanus  shot., just because the fnk neighbor cant control their dogs and let them run wild. Why they dont round up all these mangy soi dogs. In the U.S. they wouldn't last long all be shot.

Edited March 19, 2018 by uffe123

[Samui Bodoh]

I certainly think that the wild/street animal population in Thailand has gotten out of control, but a cull is only part of the answer. There is considerable evidence that a cull alone will not solve the problem; there needs to be a simultaneous push for spaying animals on a huge scale. 

 

(members might want to look at the success/failure of animal control in Indian cities; it was essentially a failure)

 

If Thailand wants to control its population of stray/wild animals living in conjunction with people, it requires a huge commitment of time and money. Is Thailand willing to make that commitment? I would guess no. And if one part of an area doesn't follow the required guidelines, then no part off an area will be successful.

 

There is a good chance of success on an island like mine, but for Bangkok? I sincerely doubt that the commitment and resources will be there.

 

Sad really....

 

[OneZero]

Why doesn't the survey include a spay & release choice?

[cardinalblue]

Please correct lost to loose esp  in a survey

 

soi dog is not a type of breed but a condition of living on the street w/o proper ownership and needs taken care of...

 

so one  cannot refer to owner and soi dog in the same sentence...just b/c someone provides food doesn't make them their owner 

Edited March 19, 2018 by cardinalblue

[Orton Rd]

Not the time, the time to start it was 20 years ago!

[seajae]

unfortunately most thai animal owners dont really care or take responsibility for their animals/pets. People leave their gates open so their dogs can crap on the street and raid any garbage to find food, walking anywhere is always a risk due to this fact. A cull would help remove all the stray animals but they also need to start fining owners that allow their animals to stray as they do in western countries, making owners get their animals sterilized and licensed would also help clean up the problem. If they cannot breed(unless they are licensed to do so) it would help considerably, the way it is now is rediculous, strays need to be collected, owners notified if able to be found and then destroy the animals if they are not claimed and owners fined.

[JAG]

It's certainly a central tennet of the belief system of a very large proportion of the Thai people ( whatever you feel about some of the "fake monkery" which goes on) that dogs should be allowed to live out their lives. That means that the "caring for them" option is probably the most appropriate option. How to pay for it? I really don't know.

Personally I dislike the idea of killing them, but then I'm not a fan of killing anyone or anything to arrive at a situation which one desires...

[Ossy]

30 minutes ago, OneZero said:

Why doesn't the survey include a spay & release choice?

And still have possible rabies-carrying dogs, loose on the street . . . where they might bite people. Would you like to be bitten by one of a bunch of soi-prowling mutts, knowing that failure to get the rabies medication might end up with your death certificate? Think about it!

[grumbleweed]

I can't see a cull happening. Once a cull is organized all the dog lovers and "life is sacred" brigade will be rushing to adopt them and take them into their own homes, wont they? 

[insiket]

The recent outbreak of rabies has brought further attention to the number of domestic animals that roam the streets of Thailand.   In your opinion, which is the best option for dealing with the issue of stray animals.
 
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They are not domestic animals...they are feral..
Shoot the lot of them

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[attrayant]

20 minutes ago, seajae said:

unfortunately most thai animal owners dont really care or take responsibility for their animals/pets. People leave their gates open so their dogs can crap on the street...

 

I am constantly at odds with my inlaws because of this.  Father inlaw refuses to train or restrain the three dogs we have.  Aggressive behavior is met with a beating from a golf club handle.  He constantly barks at them for chasing motorcycles or nipping at the shins of passersby. He refuses to have them neutered, ensuring they remain aggressive and territorial.

Meanwhile I sometimes take the dogs out for a walk to a nearby grassy lot so they can play and poop.  I always carry a few tiny 7-11 bags with me in case they do it in the street.  Thai people look at me with amazement when they see me cleaning up after my dogs.  Apparently it's beneath them to keep clean the streets that their children play on. 

 

I've trained all three dogs to stay close to me and not chase strangers or motorcycles.  When I call them, they come and sit next to me.  When he calls them, they run away and hide under cars.  He just doesn't get it.

 

It's time for a dog pound and an animal control squad.  Probably more than 50% of the soi dogs won't be salvageable, while others might make good pets or could be turned into police dogs.

[vogie]

1 hour ago, uffe123 said:

Just was bitten by the neighbors dog. They stated that the dog had been vaccinated, but I dont believe them. went to the hospital and the doctor stated that the animal should have been taken to a vet for observation, which did not happen.

Now taking rabies shots as doctor recommended. Also had to had to get tetanus  shot., just because the fnk neighbor cant control their dogs and let them run wild. Why they dont round up all these mangy soi dogs. In the U.S. they wouldn't last long all be shot.

Please don't send me any more pm's, if you look at your post I gave you a 'like'. Your pm to me was totally inapropiate and reported!

[Ossy]

32 minutes ago, grumbleweed said:

to adopt them and take them into their own homes, wont they? 

Yes, that'd be fine, as long as they kept them in their homes . . . that's the whole problem.

[Credo]

The rabies outbreak doesn't bode well for street animals.   It is a public health risk and needs some type of attention.   A lot of the dogs (and some of the cats) maybe salvageable, but many are in such poor condition that other than being put down, they have very little chance of any quality of life.   

 

I have lived on a number of sois where strays were a problem.   I never had trouble with them, but the same dogs that were reasonably well behaved during the day would form packs at night and become quite aggressive.   I worked with several people who got attacked.   

 

 

[Scott]

Troll post removed.

 

[Kieran00001]

1 hour ago, Samui Bodoh said:

I certainly think that the wild/street animal population in Thailand has gotten out of control, but a cull is only part of the answer. There is considerable evidence that a cull alone will not solve the problem; there needs to be a simultaneous push for spaying animals on a huge scale. 

 

(members might want to look at the success/failure of animal control in Indian cities; it was essentially a failure)

 

If Thailand wants to control its population of stray/wild animals living in conjunction with people, it requires a huge commitment of time and money. Is Thailand willing to make that commitment? I would guess no. And if one part of an area doesn't follow the required guidelines, then no part off an area will be successful.

 

There is a good chance of success on an island like mine, but for Bangkok? I sincerely doubt that the commitment and resources will be there.

 

Sad really....

 

 

The argument in India against culling was that when dogs in an area were removed others moved into that area and fought for the new territory often resulting in humans being bitten.  It is not that culling does not work, it was that in their situation, with 30 million strays, they could never make enough of a dent in the population to make any difference.  But that does not mean that the same would be true of Thailand which is a much smaller country with much smaller urban areas and a much smaller dog problem,.

[Brunolem]

Stray animals should be round up, then vaccinated, before being released in some apprpriate place where the law of the jungle is the norm.

 

And what a better place than Pattaya, with its multitude of species roaming the streets, looking for air con in buildings and food in trash containers...from barechested hairy gorillas to dinosaurs, to savage tribes barely afected by human development and civilization, emerging once a year from nowhere, covered with tattoes and armed with water cannon in order to wage war against intelligence during the interminable Songkran festival., 

 

No doubt that stray animals would find themselves at ease in such a place, surrounded by kindred "spirits".

 

[Sheryl]

I did not vote since the acceptable option was not listed:

 

"rounded up, vaccinated and neutered, then released"

[Anak Nakal]

Thai people allowed the dog to become many, Thai people should adopt.

[peperobi]

Not only on the street you find stray animals, almost in temples, some of them really very aggressive!

[vogie]

23 minutes ago, Sheryl said:

I did not vote since the acceptable option was not listed:

 

"rounded up, vaccinated and neutered, then released"

I think questions 1 & 2 are very similar and could easily be counted as the same question, which would at this stage would give a indication of how people are thinking on here.

[digger70]

3 hours ago, simoh1490 said:

I'm more in favour of rounding up and euthanizing many of the western tourists I see here currently than I am culling the local dog population - this isn't the USA, thankfully.

Are you Serious ? Wait till one bites you and you get infected & wait to long  to get  a needle,,,, Guess what You will not have a Happy ending.

[CGW]

Pointless survey as Nobody is asking for or will take any notice of our opinion!

30+ years ago, Soi dogs were a problem, nothing has ever been done, why would they do anything now?

[Grumpy Duck]

I may be incorrect but as I understand Thailand is a Buddhist nation and accordingly

 

Therefore, it is against the first precept to harm, kill or eat sentient beings as it is the same as harming, killing or eating the flesh of our own child or mother. Monks were forbidden from intentionally killing an animal, or drinking water with living creatures (such as larvae) in it.

 

Also as I also understand King Bumibul Adulyadej made it a crime to injure soi dogs by royal decree.  But I understand that may be incorrect. I have read that people that publicly ridiculed the kings dog were arrested under le magiste laws. 

 

I personally believe it is much better to treat a disease than to eliminate the victims. But I am an animal admirer

[Jip99]

 

I find it incredible that more than 10 people who voted in this survey find the current situation acceptable!

[Grumpy Duck]

20 minutes ago, digger70 said:

Are you Serious ? Wait till one bites you and you get infected & wait to long  to get  a needle,,,, Guess what You will not have a Happy ending.

I have been here only 3 years and only one soi dog ever as much as barked at me. I was invading his territory. Dogs do not arbitrarily bite people without provocation. Just my experience

[ScotBkk]

9 minutes ago, Grumpy Duck said:

I have been here only 3 years and only one soi dog ever as much as barked at me. I was invading his territory. Dogs do not arbitrarily bite people without provocation. Just my experience

Your so wrong. I've been bitten twice and same for my kids. These roaming killers need to be put down in my personal opinion.

[lovelomsak]

1 hour ago, Sheryl said:

I did not vote since the acceptable option was not listed:

 

"rounded up, vaccinated and neutered, then released"

I think that is good but  would be too much work so it will never be done.

 

  

Why doesn't the survey include a spay & release choice?

And still have possible rabies-carrying dogs, loose on the street . . . where they might bite people. Would you like to be bitten by one of a bunch of soi-prowling mutts, knowing that failure to get the rabies medication might end up with your death certificate? Think about it!

  I think the idea here was that the numbers would be reduced .

[Samui Bodoh]

1 hour ago, Sheryl said:

I did not vote since the acceptable option was not listed:

 

"rounded up, vaccinated and neutered, then released"

I have a great deal of respect and sympathy for this option, and had the effort been made years ago it might have been possible.

 

However, the sheer scale of the problem prohibits this policy at this time. It is a question of numbers; by the time you get a handle on the current number of animals, enough new ones will have made the policy moot. I can't tell you the exact number of stray animals, but with an adequate food supply they will continue breeding at a (relatively) rapid pace which will, in my view, outpace the neutering campaign.

 

As much as I dislike the thought, perhaps the best method is a mass, rapid cull swiftly followed by a catch, neuter and release program, coupled with a massive effort in removing food supply (essentially garbage) from the feral population.

 

Humans created this problem, and humans need to take responsibility. I think the above is the best, possible solution. Not ideal, but the best possible one...