Scotland introduces minimum alcohol pricing to cut deaths

[Baerboxer]

1 minute ago, Mario666 said:

 

Scottish budget is obviously FICKED....You watch...Next they will be taxing Ironbru,  Kilts, Sporans and Fried Mars Bars....No point in increasing income tax because most Jocks would stop work!...What do I mean "Stop Work"?

 

 

 

Now she's allowed to set tax rates independently from Westminster she's already having a go at the higher earners!

 

Many in Scotland believe that should Scotland ever leave the UK with Sturgeon and her muppets in power that they'll really hit property owners with massive property taxes.

 

Have to fund her presidential world tours etc 

[Mario666]

5 minutes ago, Grouse said:

sangsom is available at M&S for 10 quid, normally 16.99. You will not be able to buy it for less than 14 pounds in Scotland

 

Overall, it's a good move!

 

Mr. Grouse .....Despite your avatar which (correct me if I am wrong) is borrowed from the Grouse Brand of Scotch whisky I believe you do not originate from Scotland?

[Grouse]

2 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

 

No it's not. A good move would be to educate the populace to the dangers of alcohol and persuade them of the benefits of not over indulging and binge drinking.

 

Making decisions for them, and punishing them financially to try and ensure compliance is somewhat dictatorial.

Yes, great! Except it doesn't work

 

If you CAN buy 20 big cans of Tennents Extra for 10 quid instead of 42 quid you'll do it. The idea is to stop supermarkets discounting irresponsibly. Better just go the pub.

[Baerboxer]

Just now, Grouse said:

Yes, great! Except it doesn't work

 

If you CAN buy 20 big cans of Tennents Extra for 10 quid instead of 42 quid you'll do it. The idea is to stop supermarkets discounting irresponsibly. Better just go the pub.

 

And government price controls have always been so wonderfully successful.

 

But hey, why should people be allowed to make decisions for themselves? 

[Grouse]

8 minutes ago, Mario666 said:

 

Mr. Grouse .....Despite your avatar which (correct me if I am wrong) is borrowed from the Grouse Brand of Scotch whisky I believe you do not originate from Scotland?

I am half Scottish. My father was a highland Scot. 

 

I stole my avatar from that nice Mr Gloag in Perth.

 

I also have property in Edinburgh

Edited May 2, 2018 by Grouse

[Grouse]

3 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

 

And government price controls have always been so wonderfully successful.

 

But hey, why should people be allowed to make decisions for themselves? 

Last time. It's not excise duty. It is to stop supermarkets acting irresponsibly.

[Mario666]

13 minutes ago, scubascuba3 said:

23 minutes ago, Mario666 said:

Well if you believe that you'll believe anything.....by the way are you looking for a second hand motor?

Are you one of those conspiracy theory people, never believe anything on the face of it? How is the Scottish govt getting this increase in price?

Yes...and I have met loads of Jocks! And observed Adolf Sturgeon!

Edited May 2, 2018 by Mario666

[Baerboxer]

1 minute ago, Grouse said:

Last time. It's not excise duty. It is to stop supermarkets acting irresponsibly.

 

Price control. Government minimum price that must be charged according to law. That's why I referred to "price controls" not being fantastically successful.

 

And you waffle on about excise duty. 

 

Have you been imbibing yourself?

[observer90210]

Oh my goodness !!!....people will die of thirst now...!

[Mario666]

2 minutes ago, observer90210 said:

Oh my goodness !!!....people will die of thirst now...!

Back soon...Run out of beer, nipping down to 7/11...Baerboxer...PM me if I miss anything

[Grouse]

2 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

 

Price control. Government minimum price that must be charged according to law. That's why I referred to "price controls" not being fantastically successful.

 

And you waffle on about excise duty. 

 

Have you been imbibing yourself?

As a matter of fact I have, and am, imbibing. One more Singha before injecting some pace with a gentleman's measure of The Famous Grouse!

 

I accept your point and apologise for my poor parsing!

 

Cheers!

[Baerboxer]

3 minutes ago, Grouse said:

As a matter of fact I have, and am, imbibing. One more Singha before injecting some pace with a gentleman's measure of The Famous Grouse!

 

I accept your point and apologise for my poor parsing!

 

Cheers!

 

Cheers Grousy!

 

PS - have you tried the Bell's here? It doesn't seem the same to me although it's labelled as "the original". I emailed Bell's marketing and inquired, rather nicely, several months ago. They completely ignored it.

 

Although it could be my taste buds have changed after copious amounts of som tam boo phra raa and gwai diaow!! 

 

Back to the JW for me 

Edited May 2, 2018 by Baerboxer

[stevenl]

15 minutes ago, Mario666 said:

Yes...and I have met loads of Jocks! And observed Adolf Sturgeon!

So you have no arguments.

[RuamRudy]

10 hours ago, Baerboxer said:

This story was on the Beeb world news this morning. Quite hefty price increase examples given. A 3L bottle of strong cider which could be bought for around 3 GBP was now going to cost 7.50 GBP.

 

Also, the figure of deaths anticipated to be saved was 400, but several hundred sounds better. 

 

Scotland has suffered from heavy drinking issues among parts of the population for generations. But so do many other countries. Educating people to make better life style choices is one thing. Using price as a way to police people and force a change is another. As one retailer pointed out, it will be the low income people who get hit the hardest. The ones who can't afford the expensive stuff.

 

Sturgeon heads a party that is nationalist and socialist. And like many of that ilk acts like the state should tell people how they must live, which must meet with her approval and no opinions but hers matter or can be tolerated.

 

Wonder where all the extra cost will go - to the drinks companies, the retailers, or perhaps the Scottish government to spend wisely as only they can!

 

Interesting to see how the electorate react. 

400 is several hundred, is it not?

 

As Grouse stated, the price will affect those with a penchant for Frosty Jack and whatever other unnecessarily high alcohol content beverages enjoyed by underage binge drinkers. It will not affect most products.

 

The extra revenue will be retained by the retailer. Our government it prevented from excise tax changes. Of course, this is a temporary problem. The ongoing disaster that is the Tory Brexit debacle will resolve that problem for us.  

[RuamRudy]

2 hours ago, Baerboxer said:

 

Now she's allowed to set tax rates independently from Westminster she's already having a go at the higher earners!

 

Many in Scotland believe that should Scotland ever leave the UK with Sturgeon and her muppets in power that they'll really hit property owners with massive property taxes.

 

Have to fund her presidential world tours etc 

Many? Is that from your own personal canvassing or have you evidence to suggest that this it anything other than nonsense?

[rosst]

On 02/05/2018 at 10:25 AM, Baerboxer said:

This story was on the Beeb world news this morning. Quite hefty price increase examples given. A 3L bottle of strong cider which could be bought for around 3 GBP was now going to cost 7.50 GBP.

 

Also, the figure of deaths anticipated to be saved was 400, but several hundred sounds better. 

 

Scotland has suffered from heavy drinking issues among parts of the population for generations. But so do many other countries. Educating people to make better life style choices is one thing. Using price as a way to police people and force a change is another. As one retailer pointed out, it will be the low income people who get hit the hardest. The ones who can't afford the expensive stuff.

 

Sturgeon heads a party that is nationalist and socialist. And like many of that ilk acts like the state should tell people how they must live, which must meet with her approval and no opinions but hers matter or can be tolerated.

 

Wonder where all the extra cost will go - to the drinks companies, the retailers, or perhaps the Scottish government to spend wisely as only they can!

 

Interesting to see how the electorate react. 

An excellent analysis and the poorer binge drinkers will give less food to their starving children, not great policy in my opinion. 

[dfdgfdfdgs]

On 5/2/2018 at 4:25 AM, Baerboxer said:

Interesting to see how the electorate react. 

At least now they will be sober enough to get to the polling station.

[thaibeachlovers]

Anyone thinks raising the price in Scotland will have any effect is silly. Either it'll be smuggled in from England, just like they used to bring in booze from Europe, or people will make their own brew, which will cause medical problems.

Only answer is education, and it'll be a cold day in h_ll before that changes the booze culture, with the present ( non ) education system.

[RuamRudy]

Just now, thaibeachlovers said:

Anyone thinks raising the price in Scotland will have any effect is silly. Either it'll be smuggled in from England, just like they used to bring in booze from Europe, or people will make their own brew, which will cause medical problems.

Only answer is education, and it'll be a cold day in h_ll before that changes the booze culture, with the present ( non ) education system.

It won't need to be smuggled because it won't be illegal to bring it into the country. Distilling - that can be done already - but I presume if your life is controlled by an need to consume large volumes of super strong lager, the means of building and operating your own still will be beyond you; as for home brewing, the effort, wait, cost etc - again, I suspect that all this would put it out of reach of all but the most highly functioning of alcoholics.

 

As some of our more direct posters have pointed out, Scotland has had a drink problem for a number of years. Do you honestly believe that this is the first and only initiative taken to try to address the problem? Do you really think that this is a step taken in isolation, and without consultation? This is part of a panoply of efforts to try to reduce alcohol dependency on adults, and to try put out of the reach of children the super strong alcohols that they, until very recently, consumed for only a few pounds a bottle. The majority of alcoholic drinks are unaffected because they exceeds MUP.

[vogie]

[thaibeachlovers]

24 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

It won't need to be smuggled because it won't be illegal to bring it into the country. Distilling - that can be done already - but I presume if your life is controlled by an need to consume large volumes of super strong lager, the means of building and operating your own still will be beyond you; as for home brewing, the effort, wait, cost etc - again, I suspect that all this would put it out of reach of all but the most highly functioning of alcoholics.

 

As some of our more direct posters have pointed out, Scotland has had a drink problem for a number of years. Do you honestly believe that this is the first and only initiative taken to try to address the problem? Do you really think that this is a step taken in isolation, and without consultation? This is part of a panoply of efforts to try to reduce alcohol dependency on adults, and to try put out of the reach of children the super strong alcohols that they, until very recently, consumed for only a few pounds a bottle. The majority of alcoholic drinks are unaffected because they exceeds MUP.

Do you honestly believe that this is the first and only initiative taken to try to address the problem? Do you really think that this is a step taken in isolation, and without consultation?

I'm sure all that has been done and has had ZERO effect. 

Time to try something different?

[RuamRudy]

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Do you honestly believe that this is the first and only initiative taken to try to address the problem? Do you really think that this is a step taken in isolation, and without consultation?

I'm sure all that has been done and has had ZERO effect. 

Time to try something different?

Like minimum unit pricing, perhaps?

[Grouse]

47 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

Like minimum unit pricing, perhaps?

If you do some maths, it is clear to me that this is very well targeted 

 

I do hope it succeeds 

 

I don't see this as clamping down on alcohol generally. Pub prices will be unaffected

 

BUT cynical shopkeepers will be stuffed

 

Good. Too many young drunks on the streets 

 

Maybe shop keepers can sell knives as a loss leader instead?

[RuamRudy]

Oh - would you look at that? I guess it will ease traffic congestion on the border, what with those busloads of zombie alcoholic Jocks no longer flocking south for their discount bottles of Frosty Jack?

 

Minimum alcohol price for England back under consideration

[nontabury]

On 02/05/2018 at 12:08 PM, Baerboxer said:

 

Now she's allowed to set tax rates independently from Westminster she's already having a go at the higher earners!

 

Many in Scotland believe that should Scotland ever leave the UK with Sturgeon and her muppets in power that they'll really hit property owners with massive property taxes.

 

Have to fund her presidential world tours etc 

I’ll have you know, the S.N.P. is very popular with the traders in the north of England.

 

 

 

 

[vogie]

5 minutes ago, nontabury said:

I’ll have you know, the S.N.P. is very popular with the traders in the north of England.

 

 

 

 

So the english are selling belgium lager to the scots, please tell me they are buying their own whisky off us? ???

[RuamRudy]

7 minutes ago, nontabury said:

I’ll have you know, the S.N.P. is very popular with the traders in the north of England.

 

 

 

 

Can you link to the article because it is impossible to read as a jpeg, and I would like to see how much they paid for the Stella, Strongbow and Bells.

[metisdead]

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