4 hours ago, sanemax said:

Trump didnt sign with the Iran agreement and he didnt sign them that is the big difference .

   Kim did commit to numerous things in the agreement .

Trump gained peace with NK , he solved the NK problem , not just for the USA , but for the whole region

Well, if he solved the NK problem, then sanctions should be lifted immediately. And why not since Trump himself has written ""There is no longer a Nuclear Threat from North Korea."

22 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

Well, if he solved the NK problem, then sanctions should be lifted immediately. And why not since Trump himself has written ""There is no longer a Nuclear Threat from North Korea."

Trump probably meant that in the way of "As we are now friends with NK , there is no longer a nuclear threat from them * , although considering NK still have nuclear capabilities , sanctions will be lifted along NK's nuclear abilities . 

4 minutes ago, sanemax said:

Trump probably meant that in the way of "As we are now friends with NK , there is no longer a nuclear threat from them * , although considering NK still have nuclear capabilities , sanctions will be lifted along NK's nuclear abilities . 

So something else Kim got: America's friendship.

 

The list keeps on getting longer.

6 hours ago, sanemax said:

Trump didnt sign with the Iran agreement and he didnt sign them that is the big difference .

   Kim did commit to numerous things in the agreement .

Trump gained peace with NK , he solved the NK problem , not just for the USA , but for the whole region

 

Please tell me what Kim committed to.

 

He has NOT solved the N Korea prolem as they still have nuclear weapons which have not gone away. There is NO agreement as yet that KIm will agree to de-nuclearise, nor a timetable, nor any sign of any verifiable inspections.

 

N Korea is no different today than it was before the meeting.

 

3 hours ago, sanemax said:

Trump probably meant that in the way of "As we are now friends with NK , there is no longer a nuclear threat from them * , although considering NK still have nuclear capabilities , sanctions will be lifted along NK's nuclear abilities . 

 

Maybe he meant this, maybe he meant that.

That's not the level of clarity and communication one would expect from the POTUS.

On 6/12/2018 at 8:25 PM, spidermike007 said:

Now, at the end of the summit, he has created another in a thousand lies. He says he has a great relationship with Kim! How do you develop a great relationship in one meeting? I mean this guy has no regard for facts, whatsoever. All we know, as of now is the following:

 

1. Trump said he would suspend the war games, with South Korea. The South Korean ministry said they have no idea where that came from, what it means, or the reason for it. China is wetting their pants in delight.

2. Trump said he would work towards bringing down the number of US troops stationed in the DMZ and in South Korea. China is again wetting their pants in delight.

3. He said he would work toward easing sanctions. Both Kim and China are wetting their pants in delight.

4. Trump said he would offer security guarantees to North Korea. Nice one for Kim. Terrible for South Korea. 

5. Trump said he would consider removing American nukes from Korea. Nice one for Kim. Terrible for the South Koreans. 

 

What did the so called master of the art of the deal get in return? A vague promise that we will work toward de-nuclearrization from North Korea. What else? There was no mentioning the previous US aim of "complete, verifiable and irreversible denuclearization." And Kim's commitments did not appear to go beyond what he already pledged to do in April when he met South Korean President Moon Jae-in along their countries' border.

 

Who got played here? Looks like Trump got played, just like he is getting played by the Saudis, the Israelis, the Canadians, and just about anyone else he engages with. This man is a horrific negotiator. He could not negotiate his way out of a paper bag. 

 

Tiny Don. The art of I cannot make a deal to save my life. 

humpty dumpty trumpty had a great fall , all more trumpy tower hotels to be built negotiated very well for the family business 

Edited June 15, 20188 yr by Mad mick
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1 hour ago, Mad mick said:

humpty dumpty trumpty had a great fall , all more trumpy tower hotels to be built negotiated very well for the family business 

 

Your post is just as idiotic as the long winded post you are responding to. Sober up and try harder.

Edited June 15, 20188 yr by lannarebirth

14 hours ago, bristolboy said:

Well, if he solved the NK problem, then sanctions should be lifted immediately. And why not since Trump himself has written ""There is no longer a Nuclear Threat from North Korea."

But  the NK problem isn't solved.

Trump singlehandedly gave the green light to Russia and China to  remove sanctions. The USA is no safer today than it was last month, and now that sanctions are over for NK, with no agreement to denuclearize, NK is in a stronger position.

 

When people who are often labeled "conservative" or "liberal" share a common position, as is the case for North Korea, it is an indication that the  concern they express is genuine and has merit. Kim and his despotic dictatorship is a brutal repressive regime which kills tens of thousands  in any given year. It's recognition and support is both morally wrong and strategically dangerous.

 

10 minutes ago, geriatrickid said:

But  the NK problem isn't solved.

Trump singlehandedly gave the green light to Russia and China to  remove sanctions. The USA is no safer today than it was last month, and now that sanctions are over for NK, with no agreement to denuclearize, NK is in a stronger position.

 

When people who are often labeled "conservative" or "liberal" share a common position, as is the case for North Korea, it is an indication that the  concern they express is genuine and has merit. Kim and his despotic dictatorship is a brutal repressive regime which kills tens of thousands  in any given year. It's recognition and support is both morally wrong and strategically dangerous.

 

 

Where did you get the impression "that sanctions are now over for NK". Sanctions remain in place until such time as they make good on their pledge to denuclearize. The meaning of which remains to be determined. But clearly, we ain't there yet.

24 minutes ago, geriatrickid said:

Trump singlehandedly gave the green light to Russia and China to  remove sanctions. The USA is no safer today than it was last month, and now that sanctions are over for NK, with no agreement to denuclearize, NK is in a stronger position.

 

Do stop all this nonsense .

Russia and China have not and will not remove sanctions , the USA is safety today moreso than last month , sanctions are NOT over and NK HAVE agreed ti denuclearise and NK isnt in a stronger position .

   Everything that you wrote is wrong and the opposite of the reality

42 minutes ago, geriatrickid said:

It's recognition and support is both morally wrong and strategically dangerous.

How would you have dealt with the situation ?

What would have been the better alternative ?

1 minute ago, sanemax said:

How would you have dealt with the situation ?

What would have been the better alternative ?

By not putting yourself into that situation in the first place.

2 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

By not putting yourself into that situation in the first place.

You mean the USA should have tried to stop NK building nukes , by imposing sanctions ?

   How could the USA have avoided NK building nukes ?

Just now, sanemax said:

You mean the USA should have tried to stop NK building nukes , by imposing sanctions ?

   How could the USA have avoided NK building nukes ?

I mean Trump shouldn't have gone to Singapore to meet with Kim.

Or are you saying that Kim blackmailed Trump into going to Singapore?

1 minute ago, bristolboy said:

I mean Trump shouldn't have gone to Singapore to meet with Kim.

Or are you saying that Kim blackmailed Trump into going to Singapore?

How would you have dealt with the NK issue ?

 

1 hour ago, lannarebirth said:

 

Your post is just as idiotic as the long winded post you are responding to. Sober up and try harder.

you are an idiot with no sense of dry humor , you need to get off the turps your safe mate??

2 minutes ago, sanemax said:

How would you have dealt with the NK issue ?

 

By proposing US diplomats meet with North Korean diplomats. If the sanctions were working, then that pressure should have been enough. Instead Trump fell for the bait and gave Kim what he wanted: international legitimacy. In fact, Trump gave him so much more. According to him. North Korea is no longer a nuclear threat. You don't think Putin and Xi, amongst others, are going to use the super stable genius' evaluation against him..

2 hours ago, bristolboy said:

By proposing US diplomats meet with North Korean diplomats. If the sanctions were working, then that pressure should have been enough. Instead Trump fell for the bait and gave Kim what he wanted: international legitimacy. In fact, Trump gave him so much more. According to him. North Korea is no longer a nuclear threat. You don't think Putin and Xi, amongst others, are going to use the super stable genius' evaluation against him..

 

North Korea is no more "legitimate" than it is "not a nuclear threat". Only people who believe evrything they watch on TV might even "possibly" think so.  Personal question: Do YOU think NK is "legitimate" and no longer a nuclear threat?"

2 minutes ago, lannarebirth said:

 

North Korea is no more "legitimate" than it is "not a nuclear threat". Only people who believe evrything they watch on TV might even "possibly" think so.  Personal question: Do YOU think NK is "legitimate" and no longer a nuclear threat?"

First off, I used the word "legitimacy" and not "legitimate". And they don't mean exactly the same thing. In the context of nations, it means respect and being treated as a normal nation. So while I don't personally think Trump's characterization has enhanced North Koreas legitimacy, it gives any nation an excuse to act as if it's so.  And the same thing apples to the nuclear threat. It gives nations an excuse to downplay the fear. In both cases, it gives other nations a citable reason not to go along with the US.

1 minute ago, bristolboy said:

First off, I used the word "legitimacy" and not "legitimate". And they don't mean exactly the same thing. In the context of nations, it means respect and being treated as a normal nation. So while I don't personally think Trump's characterization has enhanced North Koreas legitimacy, it gives any nation an excuse to act as if it's so.  And the same thing apples to the nuclear threat. It gives nations an excuse to downplay the fear. In both cases, it gives other nations a citable reason not to go along with the US.

 

I imagine that countries that have a nuclear missle aimed at them will go along with the US and those that don't will not.

5 hours ago, lannarebirth said:

 

I imagine that countries that have a nuclear missle aimed at them will go along with the US and those that don't will not.

Well given Trump's volatility, if I were the leader of South Korea or Japan, I would do whatever I could to placate Trump and hope he is limited to just 1 term.

I'll give it to Trump that he made a stab at the NK situation.   He also exacerbated it with his rhetoric, but he has made a move in the right direction.   

 

The problem is that like a lot of these agreements (think Iran), it requires keeping your eye on the ball and Trump isn't likely to do that.   He'll stay focused until some ball player decides to kneel during the National Anthem and then we will be off in a whole different direction and NK will be left to its own devices.