cysampan Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 If Statins increase atherosclerosis considerably, and you already have it. - Why on earth would my doctor have prescribed them? Wouldn't I be better off eliminating them and relying on diet alone? My cholesterol ratios are now way low. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogNo1 Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 Refer to spacedoc.com for exhaustive information on heart disease medicine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FracturedRabbit Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/31175783/Sent from my iPhone using Thaivisa Connect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hanuman2543 Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 Interesting read: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0167527318347417?fbclid=IwAR2gqPyu-3WminbhjyIYhIJZkwEQtsbpL2vKGqRbX--ApQMB7x1VelQg3j4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post FracturedRabbit Posted June 11, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted June 11, 2019 Not sure if statins actually increase atherosclerosis, but there is not much science that I have found that indicates that it reduces it. For those that have actually had a cardiac event, statins do seem to reduce the risk of a follow up event, but that may be more due to their anti-inflammatory properties rather than their stated goal of lowering LDL. I found out I had atherosclerosis two years ago, with a 50% blockage in one artery that resulted in feelings of faintness. Doctor prescribed beta blockers to slow my heart and stop the faint feeling, which they did, and statins to get my LDL down to 70 which he said gave me a 5% chance of slowing the disease; although he could not explain how. He also never asked me what I ate.... I threw the statins away because they made me feel terrible and started reading. I discovered that LDL, the bad cholesterol, is not cholesterol and it is not bad. Indeed as you get older your all cause mortality risk is lower if you have high LDL. Oxidised LDL may indeed be associated with arterial damage; but if you are metabolically healthy then your LDL is not going to oxidise. LDL has a cell repair function. There are no studies that correlate high LDL with atherosclerosis; but there is strong correlation between low HDL and/or high triglycerides and atherosclerosis; which is why the Trig/HDL ratio is such an important marker; should be less than 2. With lifestyle changes my HDL is now 94 and my trigs are 58, giving a ratio of 0.6. Three months ago I was feeling so healthy I tried stopping the beta blockers and felt fine, and my heart, which used to start fluttering at 138bpm does not complain at 155bpm. I will have a CAC scan in a couple of years and my goal is to substantially reduce the plaque. But to answer your question, your doctor prescribed because they are highly profitable and there is a massive industry and PR campaign to keep them relevant. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cysampan Posted June 11, 2019 Author Share Posted June 11, 2019 Good lord. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheryl Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 Statins do not increase athersclorosis, where did you get that idea from? They do not significantly shrink them in size, that is true, but that is quite different from increasing them, and it is thought they may have other effects on atherosclerotic plaques in ways that reduce the associated risks. in particular it is thought they render athersclerotic plaques less likely to rupture. See https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4599025/ 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivor bigun Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 Statins do not increase athersclorosis, where did you get that idea from? They do not significantly shrink them in size, that is true, but that is quite different from increasing them, and it is thought they may have other effects on atherosclerotic plaques in ways that reduce the associated risks. in particular it is thought they render athersclerotic plaques less likely to rupture. Seehttps://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4599025/Had a by pass 33 years ago and have taken them ever since,anyone who says they are bad is mad. Sent from my SM-A720F using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cysampan Posted June 12, 2019 Author Share Posted June 12, 2019 High dose and long-term statin therapy accelerate coronary artery calcification Article in International Journal of Cardiology 184(1):581-586 · February 2015 with 245 Reads ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Statin Medication Enhances Progression of Coronary Artery Calcification Journal of the American College of Cardiology Volume 68, Issue 19, November 2016DOI: 10.1016/j.jacc.2016.08.040 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Progression of Vascular Calcification Is Increased With Statin Use in the Veterans Affairs Diabetes Trial (VADT) Diabetes Care 2012 Nov; 35(11): 2390-2392.https://doi.org/10.2337/dc12-0464 etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elliss Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 (edited) I thought medicine, is/was a Science. Edited June 12, 2019 by elliss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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