UK car industry warns next PM against 'seismic' no-deal Brexit

[candide]

30 minutes ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

Meanwhile, in the EU:

 

EU and South American economic bloc Mercosur have clinched a huge trade deal after 20 years of negotiations. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-48807161

So Brazil, Argentina and others have joined Japan and Korea  in the conspiration against UK.....????

[welovesundaysatspace]

23 minutes ago, candide said:

So Brazil, Argentina and others have joined Japan and Korea  in the conspiration against UK.....????

I guess when you wanna play “us alone against the rest of the world because we are a great nation and let’s not forget WW2” everything is a big conspiracy. Let’s wait what Kim Jong Johnson has to say when supermarket shelves are empty but the country is freed from the shackles of international agreements. 

[Loiner]

 
The consumers will pay a higher price for less choice.
 
 

Yer pays yer money and yer makes yer choices. Chooser pays for imported cars.

[Loiner]

Industrial sabotage you say.
 
Are we back to Thatcher and the asset stripping of British industry?
 
Time to learn from the Germans

That would be the EU who have been stripping the UK car industry, relocating it into euro wage slave countries.
Over 40+ years we have learned that, but the Remainers haven’t.

[Loiner]

but if no one is producing cars in the uk that just means consumers have to pay more for their cars !

Car production remains and returns to the UK in preference to expensive foreign imports.

[Loiner]

So the narrative when this all goes pear shaped is going to be it was a plot against the UK by those nasty foreigners and not that we did something damn stupid ourselves ? 
 
Why can't brexiters see that  making our own industry less competitive is simply going to mean that it all moves to europe. Being nasty to the rest of Europe will mean they won't give us any favours like when we were part of the same community.
 
Brexit England is going to end up very soon surrounded on all sides by the EU - once Ireland is reunited and Scotland joins . Trying to be nasty to all of them is not going to be a winning proposition. 

The nasty foreigners have been doing it for years. See the threat in this topic as another example. Move as much UK industry to the EU as possible.
Why can’t Remainers see that?

[Loiner]

Foreign companies have chosen to make cars in the UK as part of the EU, those companies can just as easily choose to make their cars somewhere else.
Should they do so, do you really think a UK government will have any say in the matter.

Cars made in the UK, even under a foreign banner, are Ok. If the owners want to relocate factories to wage slave EU they can do, but expect a tax on those cars coming into the UK.
As the UK government is left with the responsibility of supporting the unemployed car workers, it certainly does have a say in the matter.

[welovesundaysatspace]

23 minutes ago, Loiner said:

Cars made in the UK, even under a foreign banner, are Ok. If the owners want to relocate factories to wage slave EU they can do, but expect a tax on those cars coming into the UK.

The Trumpian strategy of making your people pay for your stupidity. Brilliant. 

 

 

Edited June 29, 2019 by welovesundaysatspace

[Loiner]

The Trumpian strategy of making your people pay for your stupidity. Brilliant. 
 
 

Nothing stupid in making people pay more for a car which was previously made in Britain, but now by a foreigner while UK car factories lay off their workers.
If you support globalism you pay for it.

[candide]

2 hours ago, Loiner said:

That would be the EU who have been stripping the UK car industry, relocating it into euro wage slave countries.
Over 40+ years we have learned that, but the Remainers haven’t.

So the EU has been conspiring for 40 years to strip the UK car industry (and not the other EU countries) .... Lol.

Of course the problem does not originate in the initial poor competitiveness, innovation and quality of this industry, that led it to become mainly a production facility for foreign companies.

[sandyf]

10 hours ago, Loiner said:

Cars made in the UK, even under a foreign banner, are Ok. If the owners want to relocate factories to wage slave EU they can do, but expect a tax on those cars coming into the UK.
As the UK government is left with the responsibility of supporting the unemployed car workers, it certainly does have a say in the matter.

The bulk of car production leaves the UK so why should it come back.

• 81.5% of all vehicles made in Britain are exported
• The EU accounted for 52.6% of UK-built vehicle exports – making it our biggest trading partner. https://www.smmt.co.uk/industry-topics/brexit/key-exports-data/

Fairly obvious if the UK is not part of the EU why would the EU want to import cars from a third country when it could make them at home.

Of course the UK will pay more for vehicles as well as everything else, it's what the brexiteers have wanted all along.

 

Maybe you can explain how successful the government have been in preventing recent job losses. Theresa May tells PMQ's every week it is a business decision.

[Loiner]

So the EU has been conspiring for 40 years to strip the UK car industry (and not the other EU countries) .... Lol.
Of course the problem does not originate in the initial poor competitiveness, innovation and quality of this industry, that led it to become mainly a production facility for foreign companies.

There is a list of UK companies poached to the EU. I’ll find it again if you want. Others move of their own accord for the cheap labour.
Of course not. If you want to compare cars over the last 30 or 40 years, just look at the crap that was produced in Europe.
That UK became a production facility for foreign companies is a good indicator of the quality of the car industry and the importance of the UK market. This has not changed, but the lure of globalism and cheap labour is stronger.

[Loiner]

The bulk of car production leaves the UK so why should it come back.

• 81.5% of all vehicles made in Britain are exported
• The EU accounted for 52.6% of UK-built vehicle exports – making it our biggest trading partner. https://www.smmt.co.uk/industry-topics/brexit/key-exports-data/

Fairly obvious if the UK is not part of the EU why would the EU want to import cars from a third country when it could make them at home.

Of course the UK will pay more for vehicles as well as everything else, it's what the brexiteers have wanted all along.

 

Maybe you can explain how successful the government have been in preventing recent job losses. Theresa May tells PMQ's every week it is a business decision.

Only about half of the cars exported from the UK go to the EU, the others go world wide mostly the US. If the industry is allowed to relocate to the EU we loose all the value of the domestic, EU and the cream in Other international trade. It has got to be encouraged/forced back by all means possible by the UK government.
If the industry is not supported by the government, it will go to cheap labour countries. Tariffs and taxes after Brexit are one means to support UK industry. If that means you pay more for a Benz BMW or VAG then tough.
May tells us it’s a business decision because she’s one of them - a Europhile and globalist. (See Bilderberg Group) We can’t fight it while we are part of the EU. Time to Brexit.

[Chomper Higgot]

The sooner the UK gets back to producing the ‘Leyland Princess’ the better.

 

So long as only Brexiteers are forced to drive it.

[Chomper Higgot]

8 hours ago, Loiner said:

There is a list of UK companies poached to the EU. I’ll find it again if you want. Others move of their own accord for the cheap labour.
Of course not. If you want to compare cars over the last 30 or 40 years, just look at the crap that was produced in Europe.
That UK became a production facility for foreign companies is a good indicator of the quality of the car industry and the importance of the UK market. This has not changed, but the lure of globalism and cheap labour is stronger.

The parts of the UK that attracted foreign car companies did so on the basis of cheep Labour and EU grants.

[Loiner]

The sooner the UK gets back to producing the ‘Leyland Princess’ the better.
 
So long as only Brexiteers are forced to drive it.

Scoff as much as you like in 2019. They were way ahead of their time in the mid seventies.

[Loiner]

The parts of the UK that attracted foreign car companies did so on the basis of cheep Labour and EU grants.

You think UK Labour was cheap is the eighties? Where were you paying for workers?
Tell me how much in grants the EU paid to bring factories to the UK.

[Loiner]

The sooner the UK gets back to producing the ‘Leyland Princess’ the better.
 
So long as only Brexiteers are forced to drive it.

Would Remainers like to drive any of the 1970s mass produced euro cars? How about those crappy Fiats, Renaults and Citroens? Except for the Beetle, the VWs were doubtful until the Golf arrived.

[stevenl]

1 hour ago, Loiner said:

You think UK Labour was cheap is the eighties? Where were you paying for workers?
Tell me how much in grants the EU paid to bring factories to the UK.

When did honda, Nissan, Tata, VW etc start producing in the UK?

Edited June 30, 2019 by stevenl

[colinneil]

17 minutes ago, stevenl said:

When did honda, Nissan, Tata, VW etc start producing in the UK?

Nissan has the largest car plant in the UK, at Sunderland.

Please dont post with incorrect facts.

[stevenl]

1 minute ago, colinneil said:

Nissan has the largest car plant in the UK, at Sunderland.

Please dont post with incorrect facts.

What facts? I asked a question, when did they start producing?

Edited June 30, 2019 by stevenl

[bristolboy]

8 hours ago, Loiner said:

There is a list of UK companies poached to the EU. I’ll find it again if you want. Others move of their own accord for the cheap labour.
Of course not. If you want to compare cars over the last 30 or 40 years, just look at the crap that was produced in Europe.
That UK became a production facility for foreign companies is a good indicator of the quality of the car industry and the importance of the UK market. This has not changed, but the lure of globalism and cheap labour is stronger.

Actually, if you wanted to look for crappy cars made in the west, the champ would have been the UK. It's bizarre reading a commentary that betrays so little awareness of Britain's sorry history of British automobile manufacturing for the last 40 years.

And the reason that foreign auto companies located to the UK instead of mainland Europe is the fact that workers in the UK have a lot less rights and protecton than those on the mainland. It certainly couldn't have been the quality of the build of British brands.

[Loiner]

When did honda, Nissan, Tata, VW etc start producing in the UK?

Ask your mate Chomper. He’s going to tell us how much they got in EU grants to come to UK. I’m sure there’ll be a date with each grant.

[sandyf]

14 hours ago, Loiner said:

It has got to be encouraged/forced back by all means possible by the UK government.

Fundamental flaw in the brexit way of thinking, the UK government cannot tell foreign companies how they spend their money.

With the mess that brexit has created you may well see state built cars in the Peoples Democratic Republic of England and Wales.

[stevenl]

43 minutes ago, Loiner said:

Ask your mate Chomper. He’s going to tell us how much they got in EU grants to come to UK. I’m sure there’ll be a date with each grant.

I'm asking on the forum. Some posters here seem to think the British car industry was doing well, I think it was doing nothing until rescued by Japanese first, later others, who did this because UK was part of the EU.

 

None of the brexiteers is willing to answer the question, very telling, other brexiteers seem to not understand it, even more telling.

Edited June 30, 2019 by stevenl

[Loiner]

Bewildering - who is going to be paying those inflated prices ? The UK public right ? So something available for £'x' today is going to cost 10%, 15% or 20% more on November 1st. How is that sitting pretty ? Again - there are NO mainstream UK owned car manufacturers.
 
Dear god I hope you're not in business !

The UK public won’t be paying the inflated prices. That’s right. Where will all those RHD cars go?
The public, and more importantly the fleet buyers, will drift back to UK produced cars in preference to imported ones.
When comparing imports/exports, who cares about the factory ownership when it comes to employment and doing business in the UK. Yep, good business.

[Chomper Higgot]

19 minutes ago, Loiner said:

The UK public won’t be paying the inflated prices. That’s right. Where will all those RHD cars go?
The public, and more importantly the fleet buyers, will drift back to UK produced cars in preference to imported ones.
When comparing imports/exports, who cares about the factory ownership when it comes to employment and doing business in the UK. Yep, good business.

Out of curiosity can you (for the record) name the UK produced cars consumers and fleet buyers will be buying?

 

We can come back later and see how many stick around. 

[Loiner]

Out of curiosity can you (for the record) name the UK produced cars consumers and fleet buyers will be buying?
 
We can come back later and see how many stick around. 

Ask those responsible for the decisions. I am not as good a soothsayer as you.

You may not be around by that time.

[bristolboy]

Just now, Loiner said:

Ask those responsible for the decisions. I am not as good a soothsayer as you.

You may not be around by that time.

Cars won't be around by that time.

[Chomper Higgot]

1 minute ago, Loiner said:

Ask those responsible for the decisions. I am not as good a soothsayer as you.

You may not be around by that time.

I may, but I might not.