Trump calls Danish PM's rebuff of Greenland idea 'nasty' as trip cancellation stuns Danes

[mtls2005]

If "buying" Greenland is such a great idea why hasn't he mentioned it before? 

 

What is the policy behind such a purchase?

 

Why give up so quickly?

 

Why is every woman "nasty"?

 

For a guy who said he was a dealmaker and a closer, he sure folds quicker than he "finishes" with a porn star (90 seconds).

 

Definitely seems to be slipping further into dementia, and/or the new med protocol is not working, if his "pronouncements" are to be understood.

 

 

In other nordic news...

 

 

Iceland's Prime Minister Says She'll Skip Mike Pence's Visit, Citing 'Prior Commitments'

 

(REYKJAVIK, Iceland) — Iceland’s leader has announced that she will skip U.S. Vice President Mike Pence’s visit to her Nordic nation, opting instead to keep “prior commitments” by attending a trade union conference in Sweden.

 

Prime Minister Katrin Jakobsdottir said that she’s planned for months to give the keynote speech for the Council of Nordic Trade Unions’ annual meeting in Malmo, Sweden, on Sept. 3 — the day before Pence’s arrival. She has no plans to return the following day for his visit.

 

https://time.com/5658037/iceland-pm-skipping-pence-visit/

 

 

 

 

[Basil B]

Pitty TM did not tell him Britain was not for sale a few months ago...

[Justgrazing]

4 hours ago, TopDeadSenter said:

So true. He is right to react like this to vicious and triggered attacks against himself. He was only floating out ideas. It sounds to me the mainland Danes are terrified the Greenlanders would actually vote for Trump's plans. As a naturally rich island ruled by a strict socialist society they would almost certainly be better of under Donald's capitalism and start getting rewarded for their natural resources.

 

 Hope he does buy it after all this song and dance from the Danes.

You're being absurd there .. 

[PiBret]

Why is he buying things when the US is $22 trillion in debt. The US is screwed, just wait, any day soon.

[JamesBlond]

Take away the Trump-bashing and there is barely any intellectual content in this thread at all.

Here are some things for you think about:

 

Have you seen the size of Greenland on the map? Have you seen the size of Denmark?

Have you been to Denmark? The whole place is like Norfolk. No cultural or geological connection to Greenland at all. Do the Danish have the know-how to oversee glacier or tundra management?

Greenland came under Danish control as a kind of historical accident at at time when Greenland was nothing and nobody was interested. It was mainly a kind of caretaker arrangement.

The world has changed and given climate change, fishing rights, resource exploitation etc, Greenland is now much more important in world geopolitics.

Do we know what the Greenlander's attitude is to Danish governance? The population is Inuit, not even European. Most communities are on the western (Canadian) side, totally remote from Denmark.

 

Why should it be Danish? Let the Greenlanders have a referendum at least. Canada could put themselves in the ring too.

 

Edit: Norfolk is too interesting. I should have said Lincolnshire.

[mikebike]

12 minutes ago, JamesBlond said:

Take away the Trump-bashing and there is barely any intellectual content in this thread at all.

Here are some things for you think about:

 

Have you seen the size of Greenland on the map? Have you seen the size of Denmark?

Have you been to Denmark? The whole place is like Norfolk. No cultural or geological connection to Greenland at all. Do the Danish have the know-how to oversee glacier or tundra management?

Greenland came under Danish control as a kind of historical accident at at time when Greenland was nothing and nobody was interested. It was mainly a kind of caretaker arrangement.

The world has changed and given climate change, fishing rights, resource exploitation etc, Greenland is now much more important in world geopolitics.

Do we know what the Greenlander's attitude is to Danish governance? The population is Inuit, not even European. Most communities are on the western (Canadian) side, totally remote from Denmark.

 

Why should it be Danish? Let the Greenlanders have a referendum at least. Canada could put themselves in the ring too.

 

Edit: Norfolk is too interesting. I should have said Lincolnshire.

One word for you: Falklands.

 

Y’all weren’t too happy about that “historical accident” going to another country..

 

All your other “intellectual” questions have been answered. Denmark is a fine steward of Greenland and Greenland’s population is content to autonomously Danish.

[bristolboy]

12 minutes ago, JamesBlond said:

Take away the Trump-bashing and there is barely any intellectual content in this thread at all.

Here are some things for you think about:

 

Have you seen the size of Greenland on the map? Have you seen the size of Denmark?

Have you been to Denmark? The whole place is like Norfolk. No cultural or geological connection to Greenland at all. Do the Danish have the know-how to oversee glacier or tundra management?

Greenland came under Danish control as a kind of historical accident at at time when Greenland was nothing and nobody was interested. It was mainly a kind of caretaker arrangement.

The world has changed and given climate change, fishing rights, resource exploitation etc, Greenland is now much more important in world geopolitics.

Do we know what the Greenlander's attitude is to Danish governance? The population is Inuit, not even European. Most communities are on the western (Canadian) side, totally remote from Denmark.

 

Why should it be Danish? Let the Greenlanders have a referendum at least. Canada could put themselves in the ring too.

Some of your questions answered below:

"As part of the self-rule law of 2009 (section §21), Greenland can declare full independence if they wish to pursue it, but it would have to be approved by a referendum among the Greenlandic people.^[19] A poll in 2016 showed that there was a clear majority (64%) for full independence among the Greenlandic people,^[20] but a poll in 2017 showed that there was a clear opposition (78%) if it meant a fall in living standards.^[21]"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenlandic_independence

"On 21 June 2009, Greenland gained self-rule with provisions for assuming responsibility for self-government of judicial affairs, policing, and natural resources. ^[68]  

^...Denmark upholds the annual block grant of 3.2 billion Danish kroner, but as Greenland begins to collect revenues of its natural resources, the grant will gradually be diminished. This is generally considered to be a step toward eventual full independence from Denmark.^[69] 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenland#Home_rule_and_self-rule

 

[JamesBlond]

4 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

"As part of the self-rule law of 2009 (section §21), Greenland can declare full independence if they wish to pursue it, but it would have to be approved by a referendum among the Greenlandic people.^[19] A poll in 2016 showed that there was a clear majority (64%) for full independence among the Greenlandic people,^[20] but a poll in 2017 showed that there was a clear opposition (78%) if it meant a fall in living standards.^[21]"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenlandic_independence

"On 21 June 2009, Greenland gained self-rule with provisions for assuming responsibility for self-government of judicial affairs, policing, and natural resources. ^[68]  

^...Denmark upholds the annual block grant of 3.2 billion Danish kroner, but as Greenland begins to collect revenues of its natural resources, the grant will gradually be diminished. This is generally considered to be a step toward eventual full independence from Denmark.^[69] 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenland#Home_rule_and_self-rule

 

Full independence is a non-starter. The population is only a few thousand. No way they can adequately take responsibility for a land mass of the size of Greenland.

[bristolboy]

1 minute ago, JamesBlond said:

Full independence is a non-starter. The population is only a few thousand. No way they can adequately take responsibility for a land mass of the size of Greenland.

If the Greenlanders want, they can exercise their right to vote on becoming an fully independent nation and then sell the country to the US. If that's what they want.

 

 

[CharlieH]

Reported Troll comment removed.

[JamesBlond]

12 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

If the Greenlanders want, they can exercise their right to vote on becoming an fully independent nation and then sell the country to the US. If that's what they want.

 

 

Shouldn't happen, can't happen, won't happen. Independence talk is PC madness. The world has got much wiser even since 2009 and we now know that something as vast and important to the planet as Greenland is not something that can 'belong' to a few thousand indigenous people whose livelihoods basically depend on eating the local wildlife. The World Court would need to rule that out.

[Boon Mee]

Denmark can start paying their fair share of NATO for starters. 

Arrogance personified indeed. 

[Estrada]

5 hours ago, TopDeadSenter said:

So true. He is right to react like this to vicious and triggered attacks against himself. He was only floating out ideas. It sounds to me the mainland Danes are terrified the Greenlanders would actually vote for Trump's plans. As a naturally rich island ruled by a strict socialist society they would almost certainly be better of under Donald's capitalism and start getting rewarded for their natural resources.

 

 Hope he does buy it after all this song and dance from the Danes.

It is absurd, He cannot buy Greenland, it is written in the Danish Constitution The Danes have free health care and free education. As such the people are so well educated that the know they would not be better off under Donald's "line the pockets" of the top 1% capitalism. Donald has been Bankrupt 6 times and is on the way to do the same to the US whilst helping to destroy the world environment.

[xylophone]

6 hours ago, webfact said:

Former Danish Prime Minister Lars Lokke Rasmussen called it "an April Fool's Day joke" and Frederiksen called the idea "absurd."

Just about everybody with half an ounce of common sense knows that the idea is absurd, that is apart from the orange clown who just goes from strength to strength in ensuring that people know that he has nothing between his ears apart from.......space.

 

There again I wonder if the former Danish Prime Minister was referring to the subject of buying Greenland as being a joke, or to the orange clown as being the joke.......both scenarios fit!

[DoctorG]

18 minutes ago, Estrada said:

It is absurd, He cannot buy Greenland, it is written in the Danish Constitution The Danes have free health care and free education. As such the people are so well educated that the know they would not be better off under Donald's "line the pockets" of the top 1% capitalism. Donald has been Bankrupt 6 times and is on the way to do the same to the US whilst helping to destroy the world environment.

You are making the same mistake as others on here in that you are trying to equate the benefits and living standards of Denmark with Greenland. Nobody has suggested US buys Denmark.

Greenland is a sparsely populated island of less than 60k and predominantly Innuit. They might look kindly on an offer of say $1m each. They could probably also have dual citizenship.

For those saying Denmark would not sell their territory, Virgin Islands comes to mind.

[JamesBlond]

1 minute ago, DoctorG said:

You are making the same mistake as others on here in that you are trying to equate the benefits and living standards of Denmark with Greenland. Nobody has suggested US buys Denmark.

Greenland is a sparsely populated island of less than 60k and predominantly Innuit. They might look kindly on an offer of say $1m each. They could probably also have dual citizenship.

For those saying Denmark would not sell their territory, Virgin Islands comes to mind.

I think they would look kindly on an offer of $1000 each.

 

The Danish Constitution could be changed in a few minutes using Microsoft Word. Thailand can advise on that.

[JHolmesJr]

6 hours ago, webfact said:

"I thought that the prime minister's statement ... was nasty. I thought it was an inappropriate statement. All she had to do is say: 'No, we wouldn’t be interested,'" Trump told reporters at the White House on Wednesday. "She's not talking to me. She's talking to the United States of America. You don’t talk to the United States that way, at least under me."

 

Damn straight....that was my takeout too....wasnt the refusal, was the way these rude Danes put it....they thought

it would be cool to sound like NYT or MSNBC ....obviously backfired.  

[JHolmesJr]

7 hours ago, webfact said:

"(Trump's cancellation) is very, very shocking, when it is about a very close ally and a good friend," said Soren Espersen of the hard-right Danish People's Party.

 

Another dane high on hygge....that's not how you publicly address a close ally and a good friend.

[legend49]

5 hours ago, Longcut said:

Gladly give you New York, California and any other Liberal state. But, you can't have Texas.

Kentucky???

[Salerno]

6 minutes ago, JHolmesJr said:

 

Another dane high on hygge....that's not how you publicly address a close ally and a good friend.

Wondered before but now I know, you are trolling for sure. Well done 

[stevenl]

10 minutes ago, JHolmesJr said:

 

Another dane high on hygge....that's not how you publicly address a close ally and a good friend.

You don't publicly announce your intentions to buy to a close ally and a good friend.

[bristolboy]

26 minutes ago, DoctorG said:

You are making the same mistake as others on here in that you are trying to equate the benefits and living standards of Denmark with Greenland. Nobody has suggested US buys Denmark.

Greenland is a sparsely populated island of less than 60k and predominantly Innuit. They might look kindly on an offer of say $1m each. They could probably also have dual citizenship.

For those saying Denmark would not sell their territory, Virgin Islands comes to mind.

Nobody except Donald Trump. Plenty of people right here in the forum are saying that. And, perhaps less consequentially, so is Donald Trump.

Given the 2009 law, it's not all clear if Denmark would legally be entitled to sell Greenland now that it's been designated autonomous. And do you think the world might have changed just a wee bit since 2017?

[klauskunkel]

1 hour ago, JamesBlond said:

Do we know what the Greenlander's attitude is to Danish governance? The population is Inuit, not even European.

We kind of know the American government's attitude to natives: off to the reservation, if you behave you'll get a casino

[bristolboy]

58 minutes ago, JamesBlond said:

Shouldn't happen, can't happen, won't happen. Independence talk is PC madness. The world has got much wiser even since 2009 and we now know that something as vast and important to the planet as Greenland is not something that can 'belong' to a few thousand indigenous people whose livelihoods basically depend on eating the local wildlife. The World Court would need to rule that out.

In fact, independence is an option written into Denmark's agreement with Greenland. Why would the World Court even have jurisdiction over this? Is there some sort of law mandating minimum population size for a nation? 

[JamesBlond]

12 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

In fact, independence is an option written into Denmark's agreement with Greenland. Why would the World Court even have jurisdiction over this? Is there some sort of law mandating minimum population size for a nation? 

No, just some sort of common sense. And if the World Court is tuning in, I also propose that as a condition of independence a nation should have at least one sufficiently accredited university.

 

Edit: and a decent football team.

[spidermike007]

I think Denmark should make an offer on the US. They need an awful lot of help, with gun control, wealth distribution, dealing with the declining quality of life, immigration, and leadership. I would encourage them to make an offer of say $10 million, for starters. 

 

One benefit of the deal, would be that Trump would immediately be fired as president, and Mette Frederiksen could take over. The upside is that the US would then have a rational, intelligent woman, who could lead the nation. The chances of the US going to war would decrease overnight, and the number of enemies the US is making would decline. The US would also benefit from someone with a higher education, as Trump quit after a BA, when he found out he would not, and could not qualify for, or handle the masters program at Wharton. He was in completely over his head, so he quit. 

 

Mette Frederiksen was the first generation of her family to go to university, where she took a degree in business administration and social sciences, and a Master of Science degree in African studies. She finished her studies while she already had a seat in Folketinget, the Danish parliament. She was an early bird, anyway, becoming a member of the social democrat’s youth organisation at the age of 15.

[bristolboy]

Just now, JamesBlond said:

No, just some sort of common sense. And if the World Court is tuning in, I also propose that as a condition of independence a nation should have at least one sufficiently accredited university.

Right. That's how law is decided. By your idea of common sense. Produce some hard evidence to show that there is some legal basis for your contention.

 

[JamesBlond]

1 minute ago, bristolboy said:

Right. That's how law is decided. By your idea of common sense. Produce some hard evidence to show that there is some legal basis for your contention.

 

How about some intuitive evidence? How about the likelihood that if Greenland was given independence one of the first things they would do is grant themselves whaling rights and start screaming 'it's our heritage to live off the bounty of nature!'

[martinhp]

6 hours ago, TopDeadSenter said:

So true. He is right to react like this to vicious and triggered attacks against himself. He was only floating out ideas. It sounds to me the mainland Danes are terrified the Greenlanders would actually vote for Trump's plans. As a naturally rich island ruled by a strict socialist society they would almost certainly be better of under Donald's capitalism and start getting rewarded for their natural resources.

 

 Hope he does buy it after all this song and dance from the Danes.

You are absurd too 

Greenland is only existing because of denmark they are not making all the money you think. They loose money every month 

The ice is for now to thick to anybody nows what is exactly in the ground and how much. 

Donald duck just want it for strategic reasons which is OK but sit and cry on social media over spild milk she said its absurd it's nasty is this the great America he talks about 

I myself would have bigger ambition and there must to be other options as they already have a base there. 

But over the years this base had some ethical issues according how to behave on foreign countries soil. 

So sure its absurd you must show respect first after all

and then talk that's normal too. 

But Donald duck is good for many things but the obvious lack of commen sense and knowledge is not two of them

[off road pat]

7 hours ago, TopDeadSenter said:

So true. He is right to react like this to vicious and triggered attacks against himself. He was only floating out ideas. It sounds to me the mainland Danes are terrified the Greenlanders would actually vote for Trump's plans. As a naturally rich island ruled by a strict socialist society they would almost certainly be better of under Donald's capitalism and start getting rewarded for their natural resources.

 

 Hope he does buy it after all this song and dance from the Danes.

Seems to me you get your information from Fox News,..As it shows, you know nothing about socialism, Greenland or Denmark !!!