Pubs, restaurants and hotels to reopen as England eases social distancing

[JonnyF]

1 hour ago, RuamRudy said:

I sincerely hope not. Scotland is currently averaging around 3.5 Covid deaths per day against England's 130. 

Not really surprising is it, when Scotland's population is 5 million in 30,000 square miles and England's population is 55 million in 50,000 square miles. England has over 1000 people per square mile and Scotland has 171. So England is over 6 times as dense with 5 times as many people.  

 

No need to highlight your Scottish nationalism and anti English sentiment in every thread ????.

[johnpetersen]

19 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

Not really surprising is it, when Scotland's population is 5 million in 30,000 square miles and England's population is 55 million in 50,000 square miles. England has over 1000 people per square mile and Scotland has 171. So England is over 6 times as dense with 5 times as many people.  

 

No need to highlight your Scottish nationalism and anti English sentiment in every thread ????.

Except that most of Scotland is sparsely inhabited.

Around 70% of the country's population (3.5 million) live in the Central Belt —a region stretching in a northeast-southwest orientation between the major cities of Edinburgh and Glasgow, and including the major settlements of Paisley, Stirling, Falkirk, Perth and Dundee- in the Central Lowlands (80%). 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demography_of_Scotland#:~:text=Around 70% of the country's,the Central Lowlands (80%).

[RuamRudy]

37 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

Not really surprising is it, when Scotland's population is 5 million in 30,000 square miles and England's population is 55 million in 50,000 square miles. England has over 1000 people per square mile and Scotland has 171.

 

 

Yes, that's right - we are all spread out equidistant across the country so observation of the 2m rule is perfectly manageable by every single Scot. 

 

14 minutes ago, johnpetersen said:

So England is over 6 times as dense with 5 times as many people.  

No, but as you have amply demonstrated, certain people in England appear to be many times more dense. 

 

40 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

 

No need to highlight your Scottish nationalism and anti English sentiment in every thread ????.

No need to ask if that is the best you can do - I know it for a fact.

[sawadee1947]

Well, I wonder where this uncapable clown will lead (???) this country? Definetely to more deaths because of stupid tackling corona crisis. 

The Guardian stated yesterday that the majority of Brits would not have voted for Bojo if they had known how inable he himself as well Cummings in particular and all other govt members act. ????????????

[473geo]

Well done Boris bravely making calculated decisions to move England forward while others dither

[RuamRudy]

32 minutes ago, sawadee1947 said:

Well, I wonder where this uncapable clown will lead (???) this country? Definetely to more deaths because of stupid tackling corona crisis. 

The Guardian stated yesterday that the majority of Brits would not have voted for Bojo if they had known how inable he himself as well Cummings in particular and all other govt members act. ????????????

They are not so incapable that they didn't end up doing well themselves - Cummings managed to syphon of £12m of taxpayers' money to his friends to develop an app that didn't work. Well done Dom, say them. 

[CG1 Blue]

1 hour ago, RuamRudy said:

Cummings managed to syphon of £12m of taxpayers' money to his friends to develop an app that didn't work. Well done Dom, say them. 

Do you have any links with proof of this? I don't think the development cost of the app has been announced. 

 

Which friends did he syphon the money to? Or did you fall for more left wing propaganda on Twitter? 

 

Dominic Cummings’ sister is not director of company that runs the NHS track and trace app

https://fullfact.org/online/not-dominic-cummings-sister/

 

 

 

 

 

[CG1 Blue]

4 hours ago, RuamRudy said:

I sincerely hope not. Scotland is currently averaging around 3.5 Covid deaths per day against England's 130. 

And yet Scotland has followed virtually the same path as England with regard to Covid 19 measures. This just shows there are many other factors, including London being one of the world's biggest global business hubs. 

 

Unless it's because Scots drink Irn Bru? ????

 

Edited June 24, 2020 by CG1 Blue

[RuamRudy]

20 minutes ago, CG1 Blue said:

Do you have any links with proof of this? I don't think the development cost of the app has been announced. 

 

Which friends did he syphon the money to? Or did you fall for more left wing propaganda on Twitter? 

 

Dominic Cummings’ sister is not director of company that runs the NHS track and trace app

https://fullfact.org/online/not-dominic-cummings-sister/

 

 

 

 

 

I never mentioned his sister.

 

Vote Leave Firm Tied to Cambridge Analytica 'Configured' NHSX Contact Tracing App

"An artificial intelligence firm previously hired by Dominic Cummings to work on the Vote Leave campaign has been intimately involved in R&D for the UK’s National Health Service (NHS) contact tracing app. The app, launched by NHSX, a NHS subsidiary focused on digital innovation, is currently being trialled in the Isle of Wight before national rollout across the UK. "

[RuamRudy]

19 minutes ago, CG1 Blue said:

And yet Scotland has followed virtually the same path as England with regard to Covid 19 measures. This just shows there are many other factors, including London being one of the world's biggest global business hubs. 

 

Unless it's because Scots drink Irn Bru? ????

 

Clearly Scotland hasn't or there would be a far greater degree of correlation between the numbers of people who have died. Unless, of course, you genuinely believe in the healing power of soft drinks.

 

You may recall, all along, our Britnat press has been complaining that Sturgeon was announcing measures in advance of Johnson - how can that be following? I think the reality is that she has repeatedly forced the hand of our incompetent PM.

[JonnyF]

3 hours ago, johnpetersen said:

Except that most of Scotland is sparsely inhabited.

Around 70% of the country's population (3.5 million) live in the Central Belt —a region stretching in a northeast-southwest orientation between the major cities of Edinburgh and Glasgow, and including the major settlements of Paisley, Stirling, Falkirk, Perth and Dundee- in the Central Lowlands (80%). 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demography_of_Scotland#:~:text=Around 70% of the country's,the Central Lowlands (80%).

Irrelevant. London alone has nearly twice as many people than the whole of Scotland does. 9 million people in one city compared to 5.5 million in the whole country. So comparing the number of deaths between the 2 countries as justification for some "national pride" is absolutely ridiculous. 

[JonnyF]

3 hours ago, RuamRudy said:

Yes, that's right - we are all spread out equidistant across the country so observation of the 2m rule is perfectly manageable by every single Scot. 

Is everyone in England spread out equidistantly? No, they aren't. Look at London for example, one of the most densely populated Western cities in the world. Then compare it to Cornwall.

 

Your comparison between the number of deaths in the 2 countries was a pathetic attempt at national pride. It was in very poor taste as well, but I guess when you've got Football and Rugby teams like Scotland has you have to try and beat the English at something ????. 

[RuamRudy]

54 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

Is everyone in England spread out equidistantly? No, they aren't. Look at London for example, one of the most densely populated Western cities in the world. Then compare it to Cornwall.

 

Your comparison between the number of deaths in the 2 countries was a pathetic attempt at national pride. It was in very poor taste as well, but I guess when you've got Football and Rugby teams like Scotland has you have to try and beat the English at something ????. 

It was nothing of the sort. That you struggle to understand the point made by Johnpetersen is clear, but your inability to grasp it does not make your statement any less laughable.

 

And then the icing on the cake - you try to portray my highlighting Johnson's complete failure to effectively manage this crisis as 'a pathetic attempt at national pride'. That plus your nonsense dig about 'anti English sentiment' and you finish up with a cheap, snide nationalist attack. Oh my aching sides...

[RuamRudy]

1 hour ago, JonnyF said:

Irrelevant. London alone has nearly twice as many people than the whole of Scotland does. 9 million people in one city compared to 5.5 million in the whole country. So comparing the number of deaths between the 2 countries as justification for some "national pride" is absolutely ridiculous. 

Absolutey nothing about national pride - how could anyone take pride in such a horrific death toll as that which the UK has had to endure? One of the worst death tolls in the world is nothing whatsoever to trivialise. Tens of thousands of people are dead because of this morally bankrupt, incompetent and utterly useless man in No. 10, and to suggest that I, or anyone else, find it a cause for pride is nauseating. 

[JonnyF]

3 hours ago, RuamRudy said:

Absolutey nothing about national pride - how could anyone take pride in such a horrific death toll as that which the UK has had to endure? One of the worst death tolls in the world is nothing whatsoever to trivialise. Tens of thousands of people are dead because of this morally bankrupt, incompetent and utterly useless man in No. 10, and to suggest that I, or anyone else, find it a cause for pride is nauseating. 

If you say something you should own it. Not slowly back away from your comment as soon as someone points out how distasteful it is.

 

Grow a pair and admit you were gloating about the low numbers in Scotland compared to England in the same way that Thais are gloating about the high numbers in the West compared to Thailand. At least they admit what they are doing. Your hardcore nationalism and obvious dislike of the English is blatantly conflicting with your faux liberal virtue signalling. 

[RuamRudy]

26 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

If you say something you should own it. Not slowly back away from your comment as soon as someone points out how distasteful it is.

 

Grow a pair and admit you were gloating about the low numbers in Scotland compared to England in the same way that Thais are gloating about the high numbers in the West compared to Thailand. At least they admit what they are doing. Your hardcore nationalism and obvious dislike of the English is blatantly conflicting with your faux liberal virtue signalling. 

I tell you what I do dislike - disingenuous people who twist narratives so badly out of context, especially something as horrific as the tragedy that is unfolding around us. Shame on you for attempting to make cheap points out of it. It certainly shows the mark of you.  

[CG1 Blue]

9 hours ago, RuamRudy said:

Clearly Scotland hasn't or there would be a far greater degree of correlation between the numbers of people who have died. Unless, of course, you genuinely believe in the healing power of soft drinks.

 

You may recall, all along, our Britnat press has been complaining that Sturgeon was announcing measures in advance of Johnson - how can that be following? I think the reality is that she has repeatedly forced the hand of our incompetent PM.

I don't really care who followed who. All I know is that England and Scotland followed much the same guidelines and implemented the same measures. 

 

Unless you can tell me what measures implemented by Sturgeon are the reason for the vastly different death tolls?

 

I think you know the difference in deaths must be due to other factors. But it's a lot easier to blame the man who is taking us out of the EU and who won't give you indy ref 2. 

 

[RuamRudy]

9 hours ago, CG1 Blue said:

I don't really care who followed who. All I know is that England and Scotland followed much the same guidelines and implemented the same measures. 

 

Unless you can tell me what measures implemented by Sturgeon are the reason for the vastly different death tolls?

 

I think you know the difference in deaths must be due to other factors. But it's a lot easier to blame the man who is taking us out of the EU and who won't give you indy ref 2. 

 

The commencement of the lockdown was virtually in step because the purse strings are held by the chancellor so our government was unable to offer any furlough support until Westminster OK'd it.

 

In terms of the growth of the virus from that point, it all four home nations seemed to follow similar trajectories, although Northern Ireland seems to have come out least badly if I recall correctly. The timing of the peak also seems to have been consistent, however from charts I have seen (sorry, cannot locate them at present) the decline in cases in Scotland and Wales, where the lockdown messages have been firm but unambiguous, appears to have been consistent and steady whereas the confused messages and farcical Cummings debacle from Downing St has led to a far less steady or sustained decline in England. 

 

Nothing to do with Brexit or any other UK matter. 

 

[stephenterry]

Regretfully, without significant testing, tracking and tracing in place, whatever relaxation occurs in the UK will lead to continual increased infections, and second wave occurrences, because the amateurish Tory government led by a PM puppet are just  not up to the job. It's pathetic to watch so-called ministers inadequately commenting on any UK Covid news programmes without lying to their back teeth, about how wonderful the government is at containment.

 

End of... 

[RuamRudy]

8 minutes ago, stephenterry said:

Regretfully, without significant testing, tracking and tracing in place, whatever relaxation occurs in the UK will lead to continual increased infections, and second wave occurrences, because the amateurish Tory government led by a PM puppet are just  not up to the job. It's pathetic to watch so-called ministers inadequately commenting on any UK Covid news programmes without lying to their back teeth, about how wonderful the government is at containment.

 

End of... 

I believe that Johnson has cancelled all future COVID briefings so we will no longer be exposed to his and his colleagues' lies and failings. We will, however, continue to be exposed to the effects of their incompetence.

[Rookiescot]

1 hour ago, RuamRudy said:

The commencement of the lockdown was virtually in step because the purse strings are held by the chancellor so our government was unable to offer any furlough support until Westminster OK'd it.

 

In terms of the growth of the virus from that point, it all four home nations seemed to follow similar trajectories, although Northern Ireland seems to have come out least badly if I recall correctly. The timing of the peak also seems to have been consistent, however from charts I have seen (sorry, cannot locate them at present) the decline in cases in Scotland and Wales, where the lockdown messages have been firm but unambiguous, appears to have been consistent and steady whereas the confused messages and farcical Cummings debacle from Downing St has led to a far less steady or sustained decline in England. 

 

Nothing to do with Brexit or any other UK matter. 

 

All of that plus the apoplectic rage from unionists whenever Scotland does something different from the rest of the UK. 

[nauseus]

On 6/23/2020 at 9:27 PM, Cryingdick said:

So Britain finally realizes it is time to wake up. Surprised there are no posts saying the cases of co vid are going to spike. Can somebody please come in this thread and predict everybody is going to die? 

Well give us a chance - you're first off the blocks!

[nauseus]

13 hours ago, stephenterry said:

Regretfully, without significant testing, tracking and tracing in place, whatever relaxation occurs in the UK will lead to continual increased infections, and second wave occurrences, because the amateurish Tory government led by a PM puppet are just  not up to the job. It's pathetic to watch so-called ministers inadequately commenting on any UK Covid news programmes without lying to their back teeth, about how wonderful the government is at containment.

 

End of... 

.................doubt it.

[stephenterry]

6 hours ago, nauseus said:

.................doubt it.

You've woken up at last to the incompetence of British politics - this time a Tory government headed by the totally useless lying PM and his gang of sycophant ministers. Expect the herd immunity approach as a renewed solution to Covid to be put in place by easing all lockdowns in England. Second wave - no problem, just enjoy your freedom from government restraint.

 

God help us all when they also screw up brexit and sink the UK economy.  Keep drinking coffee and see the reality sinking in...  

[nauseus]

4 hours ago, stephenterry said:

You've woken up at last to the incompetence of British politics - this time a Tory government headed by the totally useless lying PM and his gang of sycophant ministers. Expect the herd immunity approach as a renewed solution to Covid to be put in place by easing all lockdowns in England. Second wave - no problem, just enjoy your freedom from government restraint.

 

God help us all when they also screw up brexit and sink the UK economy.  Keep drinking coffee and see the reality sinking in...  

Please don't try to assume anything.