America and Thailand: Similarities and differences

[John Drake]

20 hours ago, nobodysfriend said:

So , please enlighten me , master , why do these parties never seemed to play a role in the US elections ...?

 

They and others do. Just ask Hillary. Or ask G H W Bush. Or Hubert Humphrey. 

[bwpage3]

On 11/17/2020 at 11:50 PM, herwin1234 said:

Its a nice play with words, but thats it.

 

America is a democracry and will be a democracy. Even though a clown like Trump fully abuses the democratic system.

 

Calling a country a "dictatorship" just bc it doesnt have your style of western democracy is a deep selfserving lack of understanding and respecting other cultures. 

 

Most or at least a broad segment of the Thai people fully support the governement. 

This governement also has been democratically elected. (even if you think the rules were "rigged", at least you have to admit that anybody can fight back in a democratic way)

 

A decade ago the red shirts ran havoc in bkk monthlong protrsts designed to wreck the city ending in burning and looting of buildings and shopping mall.

Like it or not but thanks to decisive action by the army peace was restored and what followed was economic growth. Most Thai ppl welcomed and supported the army bc its easy to see they did bring peace and stability.

 

The TRUE dictators of the future are amongst the protesters. Try leaving a reply on a pro protest post on facebook, within minutes it will be deleted. Censorship by the very ppl who say they fight against censorship.

 

Thailands leaders are smart and decisive and thanks to that with a united Thai ppl, a covid crisis cripples countries like the usa but is well managed and controlled by Thailand.

 

Pls educate yourself before parrotting one liners like "thailand is a dictatorship." Know the history of true dictatorships in Southamerican countries with death squads.

 

"Thailands leaders are smart and decisive"

 

That is the most absurb comment I have ever read on this forum.

 

Covid or no Covid, Thailand has done nothing but move backwards the past 20 years, all while it's illustrious leaders have made themselves filthy rich.

 

 

[bwpage3]

16 hours ago, RobU said:

Difference between Thailand and the USA is the American states elect the King of the USA for 4 years at a time to a maximum of 12 years not much difference in ideology or purpose between Democrats and Republicans. Remember it is the States that elect the president not the people otherwise Trump would have lost the last election since more citizens voted Democrat than Republican

8 years, not 12

[riclag]

On 11/18/2020 at 8:07 PM, BTB1977 said:

Why does he article touch on the fact that Obama is worried.  He is a has been president and has no influence on anything. 

Sadly, he still is considered, by many progressives as the leader of the pack

[riclag]

17 hours ago, RobU said:

Difference between Thailand and the USA is the American states elect the King of the USA for 4 years at a time to a maximum of 12 years not much difference in ideology or purpose between Democrats and Republicans. Remember it is the States that elect the president not the people otherwise Trump would have lost the last election since more citizens voted Democrat than Republican

Not a king,there are 3 branches of the government,one is the executive(the POTUS, agencies and cabinet),Legislated(Congress) and the Judiciary (the SC and other courts).8 years not 12 . The selection of a President has been in practice for  2 centuries! The most votes in a state wins the electorates  for each state! This is the law, the electoral  vote has been under attack  by radicals that seem to never get a chance to amend the constitutions electoral process when they are in power!

https://www.archives.gov/education/lessons/electoral-tally

Edited November 19, 2020 by riclag

[RobU]

1 hour ago, bwpage3 said:

8 years, not 12

8 years and a full pension wow. Thanks for the info

[Susco]

22 minutes ago, riclag said:

The selection of a President has been in practice for  2 centuries! The most votes in a state wins the electorates  for each state! This is the law, the electoral  vote has been under attack  by radicals that seem to never get a chance to amend the constitutions electoral process when they are in power!

 

I always love to read those post of those uneducated Trump supporters.

 

So you are now confirming that your "hero" actually is a radical.

 

https://www.businessinsider.in/politics/world/news/trump-allies-are-hyping-a-desperate-improbable-plan-to-replace-the-electoral-college-with-loyalists-who-will-ignore-voters-and-hand-trump-a-second-term/articleshow/79195407.cms

Trump allies are hyping a desperate, improbable plan to replace the electoral college with loyalists who will ignore voters and hand Trump a second term

 

• GOP figures have been pushing a desperate last-ditch plan to subvert the election and secure President Donald Trump another term.
• Under the plan, state officials would be prevented from certifying a Biden win. GOP legislators would then, in defiance of the vote, send pro-Trump electors to the Electoral College.
• States on paper have the ability to do this, but would face a huge number of obstacles in doing so. Experts believe that the plan is doomed to fail.

 

I suggest you get that foot out of your mouth for once and always

[n00dle]

On 11/17/2020 at 6:11 PM, ThailandRyan said:

So lets see, what the article is insinuating is that America is claiming rights to Thailand's people by ensuring they are inextricably linked by political colors and protests  Get real, the world over is full of political protestors who want to express their rights.  

What?

[n00dle]

On 11/17/2020 at 6:29 PM, sherwood said:

About the only similarity with the two countries is that they are both governed by morons. 

Many countries share those traits. Increasingly so it seems. 

[HaoleBoy]

40 minutes ago, riclag said:

Not a king,there are 3 branches of the government,one is the executive(the POTUS, agencies and cabinet),Legislated(Congress) and the Judiciary (the SC and other courts).8 years not 12 . The selection of a President has been in practice for  2 centuries! The most votes in a state wins the electorates  for each state! This is the law, the electoral  vote has been under attack  by radicals that seem to never get a chance to amend the constitutions electoral process when they are in power!

https://www.archives.gov/education/lessons/electoral-tally

This is not the law.  Each state has the right to decide to award Electoral Votes the way they want.  Currently, Maine and Nebraska are the only 2 states that do not go with "winner take all".

 

Going with a Electoral Votes assigned by congressional district would be a better option IMHO but all states would have to do this to be effective.

 

The Electoral College (not vote) has been under attack by both sides at different points in time.

[riclag]

24 minutes ago, Susco said:

 

I always love to read those post of those uneducated Trump supporters.

 

So you are now confirming that your "hero" actually is a radical.

 

https://www.businessinsider.in/politics/world/news/trump-allies-are-hyping-a-desperate-improbable-plan-to-replace-the-electoral-college-with-loyalists-who-will-ignore-voters-and-hand-trump-a-second-term/articleshow/79195407.cms

Trump allies are hyping a desperate, improbable plan to replace the electoral college with loyalists who will ignore voters and hand Trump a second term

 

• GOP figures have been pushing a desperate last-ditch plan to subvert the election and secure President Donald Trump another term.
• Under the plan, state officials would be prevented from certifying a Biden win. GOP legislators would then, in defiance of the vote, send pro-Trump electors to the Electoral College.
• States on paper have the ability to do this, but would face a huge number of obstacles in doing so. Experts believe that the plan is doomed to fail.

 

I suggest you get that foot out of your mouth for once and always

https://thehill.com/hilltv/what-americas-thinking/435816-poll-republicans-support-electoral-college-while-democrats-want

 

imop The party who wants to change two centuries of electoral process in the  constitution are radicals !

What your speaking to ,is news to me on electing a POTUS! May I even be bold enough to say conspiracy theories 

Edited November 19, 2020 by riclag

[riclag]

7 minutes ago, riclag said:

https://thehill.com/hilltv/what-americas-thinking/435816-poll-republicans-support-electoral-college-while-democrats-want

 

imop The party who wants to change two centuries of electoral process in the  constitution are radicals !

What your speaking to ,is news to me on electing a POTUS! May I even be bold enough to say conspiracy theories by using a rightwing source as in levin who is considered not a reliable source.

 

[HaoleBoy]

9 minutes ago, riclag said:

https://thehill.com/hilltv/what-americas-thinking/435816-poll-republicans-support-electoral-college-while-democrats-want

 

imop The party who wants to change two centuries of electoral process in the  constitution are radicals !

What your speaking to ,is news to me on electing a POTUS! May I even be bold enough to say conspiracy theories 

First you put up as "proof" an article from March 2019, then you don't even read the article!

 

Surveys conducted by Gallup have shown a partisan divergence in recent years about the Electoral College. In 2012, 54 percent of Republican-leaning adults said that they wanted to amend the Constitution to allow the candidate with the most votes nationwide to become president. But in 2016, following Trump's election, GOP support for the idea dropped to just 19 percent.

 

The reason the GOP went away from "popular" vote was due to winning 2 times, in recent history, by Electoral Votes and losing the popular vote.

[riclag]

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[riclag]

6 minutes ago, HaoleBoy said:

First you put up as "proof" an article from March 2019, then you don't even read the article!

 

Surveys conducted by Gallup have shown a partisan divergence in recent years about the Electoral College. In 2012, 54 percent of Republican-leaning adults said that they wanted to amend the Constitution to allow the candidate with the most votes nationwide to become president. But in 2016, following Trump's election, GOP support for the idea dropped to just 19 percent.

 

The reason the GOP went away from "popular" vote was due to winning 2 times, in recent history, by Electoral Votes and losing the popular vote.

 That was a 8 month old article I just linked a source that shows who has been seeking to change  that . In fact it has been called by many progressives antiquated 

"A majority of Democratic voters, 60 percent, said they supported abolishing the Electoral College and allowing whoever receives the most votes nationwide to become president. Just 20 percent said they wanted to keep the current system. Twenty-one percent were unsure".

https://thehill.com/hilltv/what-americas-thinking/435816-poll-republicans-support-electoral-college-while-democrats-want

[Susco]

1 minute ago, riclag said:

 That was a 8 month old article I just linked a source that shows who has been seeking to change  that . In fact it has been called by many progressives antiquated 

"A majority of Democratic voters, 60 percent, said they supported abolishing the Electoral College and allowing whoever receives the most votes nationwide to become president. Just 20 percent said they wanted to keep the current system. Twenty-one percent were unsure".

https://thehill.com/hilltv/what-americas-thinking/435816-poll-republicans-support-electoral-college-while-democrats-want

 

 

Haha, Trump also supported the electoral vote earlier this year, but now he wants to replace the electors with his own people in the states he is losing. Because he is a LOSER

 

This is not news, it has been reported by several credible sources for the past week

[HaoleBoy]

6 minutes ago, riclag said:

 That was a 8 month old article I just linked a source that shows who has been seeking to change  that . In fact it has been called by many progressives antiquated 

"A majority of Democratic voters, 60 percent, said they supported abolishing the Electoral College and allowing whoever receives the most votes nationwide to become president. Just 20 percent said they wanted to keep the current system. Twenty-one percent were unsure".

https://thehill.com/hilltv/what-americas-thinking/435816-poll-republicans-support-electoral-college-while-democrats-want

First you don't read your entire article you post, then you can't add / subtract.  March 2019 to now is 20 months ... not 8 months.  Either way you've squashed your creditability in your whole argument.

 

[riclag]

10 minutes ago, Susco said:

 

 

Haha, Trump also supported the electoral vote earlier this year, but now he wants to replace the electors with his own people in the states he is losing. Because he is a LOSER

 

This is not news, it has been reported by several credible sources for the past week

 

6 minutes ago, HaoleBoy said:

First you don't read your entire article you post, then you can't add / subtract.  March 2019 to now is 20 months ... not 8 months.  Either way you've squashed your creditability in your whole argument.

 

Sorry about that,your right on the math !  But it is true that dems want to do away with the process !  like it says in the hill article . Hereis a more up to date one 

"Among Democrats and Democratic leaners, 81% now say the Constitution should be amended, modestly higher than in other recent years".

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2020/03/13/a-majority-of-americans-continue-to-favor-replacing-electoral-college-with-a-nationwide-popular-vote/

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[Susco]

8 minutes ago, riclag said:

 

Sorry about that,your right on the math !  But it is true that dems want to do away with the process !  like it says in the hill article . Hereis a more up to date one 

"Among Democrats and Democratic leaners, 81% now say the Constitution should be amended, modestly higher than in other recent years".

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2020/03/13/a-majority-of-americans-continue-to-favor-replacing-electoral-college-with-a-nationwide-popular-vote/

 

The election system in the US, as it is now, is unfair and everyone with common sense want to change it like it is elsewhere in the world.

 

But that is something to have to change for the next election.

 

My point is, and you still don't want to admit that, is that only losers want to change the system when it suits them.

 

The democrats could have made similar claims in 2016, but they didn't, because they are not hypocrite cry babies like the incumbent.

[riclag]

1 minute ago, Susco said:

 

The election system in the US, as it is now, is unfair and everyone with common sense want to change it like it is elsewhere in the world.

 

But that is something to have to change for the next election.

 

My point is, and you still don't want to admit that, is that only losers want to change the system when it suits them.

 

The democrats could have made similar claims in 2016, but they didn't, because they are not hypocrite cry babies like the incumbent.

81 percent 

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2020/03/13/a-majority-of-americans-continue-to-favor-replacing-electoral-college-with-a-nationwide-popular-vote/

[Susco]

1 minute ago, riclag said:

4 minutes ago, Susco said:

 

The election system in the US, as it is now, is unfair and everyone with common sense want to change it like it is elsewhere in the world.

 

But that is something to have to change for the next election.

 

My point is, and you still don't want to admit that, is that only losers want to change the system when it suits them.

 

The democrats could have made similar claims in 2016, but they didn't, because they are not hypocrite cry babies like the incumbent.

81 percent 

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2020/03/13/a-majority-of-americans-continue-to-favor-replacing-electoral-college-with-a-nationwide-popular-vote/

 

 

Welcome to my ignore list, the home for people who pretend to be ignorant.

 

I know you understand my post very well, you only don't want to admit what a LOSER your orange hero is in real life