CDC study shows 74% of people infected in Massachusetts Covid outbreak were fully vaccinated

[meechai]

CDC study shows 74% of people infected in Massachusetts Covid outbreak were fully vaccinated

 

 

[FridgeMagnet1]

“Roughly 97% of new hospitalizations and 99.5% of deaths in the U.S. are among unvaccinated individuals, U.S. health officials repeated this week.”

[richard_smith237]

A terribly misleading article. 

 

469 cases in Massachusetts had covid symptoms - tested postive. 

74 % of those cases had double vaxxed. 

 

No mention of the 10’s or even 100’s of thousands of others who may have been exposed and protected by the vaccine.

 

This is nothing more than an alarmist reporting with facts buried far enough below the headline that most people won’t read and simply interpret the vaccine is 74% ineffective...  

Edited July 31, 2021 by richard_smith237

[cdemundo]

"Overall, 274 vaccinated patients with a breakthrough infection were symptomatic, according to the CDC. The most common side effects were cough, headache, sore throat, muscle pain and fever. Among five Covid patients who were hospitalized, four were fully vaccinated, according to the agency. No deaths were reported.

 

"274 vaccinated patients with a breakthrough infection were symptomatic...Among five Covid patients who were hospitalized, four were fully vaccinated, according to the agency. No deaths were reported."

 

274 breakthrough infections.

4 were hospitalized.

Zero died.

Seems like they have developed an algorithm for how to make the reporting more obscure and hard to understand.

Edited July 31, 2021 by cdemundo
added "​​​​​​​Zero died."

[mtls2005]

Who among us thinks that vaccinations insure one cannot contract the virus?

 

The answer should be "no one".

 

I fear that some people think that once they're vaccinated they can throw all caution to the wind, so they let their guards down, and voila, infected. 

 

The Commonwealth of Massachusetts has a pretty high vaccination rate - although some counties are quite low, so chances are hgh that people who contract the virus have been vaccinated. My home county, Middlesex, has 72% with at least one dose. 

 

https://www.mass.gov/doc/weekly-covid-19-vaccination-report-july-29-2021/download

 

 

[Harry Om]

This will be easily fixed by more booster shots, one per month for the next three years should do the trick.

[frantick]

I'm not antivax, but I am antiplacebo.

[Kinnock]

So most vaccinated people just get mild flu-like symptoms.  Result!

 

Of course some test positive - that's how immunity works, your body recognizes the infection and responds - and if tested at that point many will be positive.  Same thing happens when you have a booster shot .... slight flu symptoms as your body responds, but won't test positive as virus is inactivated.

 

But does mean everyone needs to be vaccinated, as herd immunity ain't going to happen.

[Kinnock]

Funny how quick the media is to spread dramatic scare stories.  Vested interest?

 

Nobody seems to care that most Polio cases are spread by vaccinated people, or post flu vaccination you can still get mild flu.  Got to keep up the Zombie Apocalypse narrative.

[johng]

12 minutes ago, Kinnock said:

But does mean everyone needs to be vaccinated, as herd immunity ain't going to happen

why ?  most poeple sufer no to mild symptoms, a small minority have to be hospitalised and a smaller minority unfortunately die.

Those who have caught it and recover have at least as much protection from re infection as those "fully jabbed"

.

[Kinnock]

11 minutes ago, johng said:

why ?  most poeple sufer no to mild symptoms, a small minority have to be hospitalised and a smaller minority unfortunately die.

Those who have caught it and recover have at least as much protection from re infection as those "fully jabbed"

.

I was just thinking that the initial vaccination driver was to achieve herd immunity of 70% vaccinated to eradicate COVID by giving it nowhere to go.  This will protect the 30% unvaccinated.  But now we know vaccinated people can still spread it, that 70% needs to be raised to 100%. 

 

Or more practical .... we just use vaccination to help protect the vulnerable - and open everything up.

[richard_smith237]

35 minutes ago, Kinnock said:

I was just thinking that the initial vaccination driver was to achieve herd immunity of 70% vaccinated to eradicate COVID by giving it nowhere to go.  This will protect the 30% unvaccinated.  But now we know vaccinated people can still spread it, that 70% needs to be raised to 100%. 

 

Or more practical .... we just use vaccination to help protect the vulnerable - and open everything up.

 

Herd immunity can still be effective.

Vaccinated People can carry the SARS-CoV-2 Virus on and in their body for small periods of time, but the protected immune system prevents the virus from replicating, it dies off. As a result of the vaccine the body’s immune system also protects against contracting actual Covid-19 with various efficacy levels (i.e. SinoVac 50% / AZ 76% / Moderna & Pfizer 95%) 

 

Thus, while those who are vaccinated can still carry SARS-CoV-2 they do so for a shorter period of time, the transmission from those vaccinated is significantly reduced. 

Additionally, those who are vaccinated and do test positive for Covid-19 (i.e. 50% of Sinovac / 24% of AZ / 5% of Moderna and Pfizer) have a viral load which is greatly reduced compared to the viral load they would carry had they not been vaccinated, thus they are also less contagious. 

 

To summarise - While those who have been vaccinated can still contract Covid-19 and transmit SARS-CoV-2 as a result of vaccination they do so far far lesser degree, resulting in a significantly reduced R0 number (transmission rate), thus offering a greater degree of protection to those who remain unvaccinated. 

 

There is a ‘critical mass’ of vaccination whereby the R0 number is significantly reduced such that the transmission of the SARS-CoV-2 virus through a community is manageable, controlled and even prevented. 

 

There will of course be localised outbreaks, as there is with influenza, but in a vaccinated community the impact is minimised. As with Influenza virologists need to ensure they have matched the antigenic drift such that further boosters are effective against variants. 

Edited August 1, 2021 by richard_smith237

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4 hours ago, frantick said:

I'm not antivax, but I am antiplacebo.

and pro ignorance.

[BritManToo]

5 hours ago, Kinnock said:

Nobody seems to care that most Polio cases are spread by vaccinated people

I thought polio had been eradicated in the west?

Google says polio is only in Pakistan and Afghanistan.

 

Edited August 1, 2021 by BritManToo

[richard_smith237]

4 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

5 hours ago, Kinnock said:

Nobody seems to care that most Polio cases are spread by vaccinated people

I thought polio had been eradicated in the west?

Google says polio is only in Pakistan and Afghanistan.

 

It has... but all you have done is respond to ‘noise’.... Someone who has made a statement without backing up any facts from a reliable source. 

 

Any idiot can come on to a forum and state: Measles is spread by people who are not vaccinated and some people will silly enough to either believe them or take on the argument.

[Kinnock]

1 hour ago, BritManToo said:

I thought polio had been eradicated in the west?

Google says polio is only in Pakistan and Afghanistan.

 

Yes 'wild' polio was eradicated in the West, but some recent cases in Africa and elsewhere were caused by vaccinated people passing on the live virus.  I think some types of 'live virus' vaccinations carry this risk, but COVID vaccines use different technology, so no similar risk.

 

https://www.who.int/emergencies/disease-outbreak-news/item/circulating-vaccine-derived-poliovirus-type-2-global-update

Edited August 1, 2021 by Kinnock

[Kinnock]

1 hour ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

It has... but all you have done is respond to ‘noise’.... Someone who has made a statement without backing up any facts from a reliable source. 

 

Any idiot can come on to a forum and state: Measles is spread by people who are not vaccinated and some people will silly enough to either believe them or take on the argument.

https://www.who.int/emergencies/disease-outbreak-news/item/circulating-vaccine-derived-poliovirus-type-2-global-update

[Jeffr2]

Covid will be with us forever. Just like variants of the Spanish flu are still around.

[bendejo]

In the article I didn't see any mention of deaths among the breakthroughs.  And that is the point.  The shot is to prevent the virus from having severe effects.

 

A few years back I seemed to be coming down with a flu, which I thought was not possible because I got a flu shot that season.  Also, the symptoms were unfamiliar (I can't count how many times I've had flu).  Went to the doctor, she did the ol' q-tip up the nose, and sure enough it was a flu.  Didn't knock me on my butt so bad, and didn't have that spaced-out feeling.  But anyway that was when I learned these things aren't about necessarily about prevention of a disease but survival of it.  I guess this is a new paradigm in vaccine technology: when I was a kid polio shots were mandatory (1950s-60s) and so were a few others (anyone remember which inoculation left an oval scar of the upper arm?), but I have no recollection of claims these things made the cases milder, it was all about prevention.