BUSAN, South Korea, Sept 23 (Reuters) - A U.S. aircraft carrier arrived in South Korea on Friday for the first time in about four years, set to join other military vessels in a show of force intended to send a message to North Korea.

USS Ronald Reagan and ships from its accompanying strike group docked at a naval base in the southern port city of Busan ahead of joint drills with South Korean forces.

Its arrival marks the most significant deployment yet under a new push to have more U.S. "strategic assets" operate in the area to deter North Korea.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us-aircraft-carrier-arrives-south-korea-warning-north-korea-2022-09-22/

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U.S. aircraft carrier arrives in South Korea as warning to North

Warning? More like provoke/taunt

 

The problem with this war mongering current government is they are doing this on so many fronts.

 

It is as if the Military Industrial Complex needs a boost so bad via war that this government owes them the favor of providing it.

Sadly it looks daily more & more like they will get what they want & throw this world into WWIII

 

Because there is nothing calming about the current crop. Instead they throw fuel constantly on every spark they find.

 

 

Edited September 23, 20223 yr by mania

Another inexcusable failure by the biden administration. He was handed by his predecessor an historic working relationship with North Korea and he completely and utterly blew it. This failure makes the world a much more dangerous place. 

 I find it disturbing that a guy who appears lost and bewildered on stage is making provocative moves like this. Actually no, it's terrifying not disturbing.

17 minutes ago, mania said:

Sadly it looks daily more & more like they will get what they want & throw this world into WWIII

Did'nt WWIII start in 2019 when a certain country unleashed Covid 19 on the world that has so far killed more than 6.5 million people?

Should the West bow to Emperor Xi, Czar Putin and Rocket Man?

28 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Another inexcusable failure by the biden administration. He was handed by his predecessor an historic working relationship with North Korea and he completely and utterly blew it. This failure makes the world a much more dangerous place. 

 I find it disturbing that a guy who appears lost and bewildered on stage is making provocative moves like this. Actually no, it's terrifying not disturbing.

Trump made a clear signal to both Putin and Kim.  With Putin it was his intention to withdraw from NATO if he won a 2nd term.  With Kim it was the withdrawal from the military agreement.  Even during his time in office, he wanted to withdraw all troops from South Korea.

Had Trump remained in power, we would be seeing a vastly different world and I don't believe it would have been a better one.

https://www.stripes.com/theaters/asia_pacific/2022-05-10/defense-secretary-mark-esper-memoir-president-trump-south-korea-troops-5954121.html

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43 minutes ago, 2baht said:

Should the West bow to Emperor Xi, Czar Putin and Rocket Man?

No of course never but John Quincy Adams, Secretary of State

said it best about America..

"But she goes not abroad, in search of monsters to destroy"

I have attached his speech which is short & worth the read IMHO

 

1821secofstateJQAdmas.pdf

Edited September 24, 20223 yr by mania

1 hour ago, mania said:

Warning? More like provoke/taunt

 

The problem with this war mongering current government is they are doing this on so many fronts.

 

It is as if the Military Industrial Complex needs a boost so bad via war that this government owes them the favor of providing it.

Sadly it looks daily more & more like they will get what they want & throw this world into WWIII

 

Because there is nothing calming about the current crop. Instead they throw fuel constantly on every spark they find.

 

 

Reversing the groveling and kowtowing of the previous administration is not ‘war mongering’.

 

Being pally with tyrants and saluting their generals has only emboldened America’s adversaries.

1 hour ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Another inexcusable failure by the biden administration. He was handed by his predecessor an historic working relationship with North Korea and he completely and utterly blew it. This failure makes the world a much more dangerous place. 

 I find it disturbing that a guy who appears lost and bewildered on stage is making provocative moves like this. Actually no, it's terrifying not disturbing.

No he wasn’t.

 

He was handed an emboldened N. Korea with a leader that had been provided positive propaganda material while continuing with it’s military and nuclear ambitions.

 

16 minutes ago, mania said:

No of course never but John Quincy Adams, Secretary of State

said it best about America..

"But she goes not abroad, in search of monsters to destroy"

I have attached his speech which is short & worth the read IMHO

 

1821secofstateJQAdmas.pdf 15.4 kB · 1 download

Perhaps that speech could be printed on large notice boards to use as protection for American and its allies to ward off the bombs, bullets and missiles of tyrants who are repeatedly stating their military intentions.

1 hour ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Another inexcusable failure by the biden administration. He was handed by his predecessor an historic working relationship with North Korea and he completely and utterly blew it. This failure makes the world a much more dangerous place. 

 I find it disturbing that a guy who appears lost and bewildered on stage is making provocative moves like this. Actually no, it's terrifying not disturbing.

This is false, Trump's outreach to North Korea had utterly failed by the time he left office.

 

The Illusion of Peace and the Failure of U.S.-North Korea Summitry

On June 12, North Korea’s Foreign Minister Ri Son-gwon issued a highly unusual commemorative statement to mark the second anniversary of the first-ever meeting of U.S. President Donald J. Trump and North Korea’s leader Kim Jong Un.
The statement laid bare North Korea’s disappointments, rejected Trump’s declarations of success in his diplomacy with North Korea, and predicted an enduring confrontation backed by North Korea’s nuclear development as the main pillar of deterrence against U.S. hostility. The statement reiterated months of North Korean expressions of frustration and underscored the fragility of the U.S.-North Korea relationship and the risks that a renewed escalation of tensions could bring. 

https://www.cfr.org/blog/illusion-peace-and-failure-us-north-korea-summitry-0

 

North Korea blows up joint liaison office with South in Kaesong
Published  16 June 2020

North Korea has blown up a joint liaison office with the South near the North's border town of Kaesong.

The move comes just hours after the North renewed threats of military action at the Korean border.

The site was opened in 2018 to help the Koreas - officially in a state of war - to communicate. It had been empty since January due to Covid-19 restrictions.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-53060620

18 hours ago, mania said:

Warning? More like provoke/taunt

 

The problem with this war mongering current government is they are doing this on so many fronts.

 

It is as if the Military Industrial Complex needs a boost so bad via war that this government owes them the favor of providing it.

Sadly it looks daily more & more like they will get what they want & throw this world into WWIII

 

Because there is nothing calming about the current crop. Instead they throw fuel constantly on every spark they find.

 

 

Right.  It's not like North Korea is building nuclear weapons, testing ICBM's, threatening its neighbor, or has ever attacked anyone.

 

Oh, wait.....

20 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Reversing the groveling and kowtowing of the previous administration is not ‘war mongering’.

 

Being pally with tyrants and saluting their generals has only emboldened America’s adversaries.

The usual need to deflect to previous admins has nothing to do with now

 

This is war mongering pure & simple

 

Example #1 Giving Billions in weapons to Ukraine has nothing to do with so called caring for democracy as they could care less for the Ukrainians instead it is selling weapons albeit once again on US taxpayers dime & then given freely to the Ukranians to Taunt Russia & Let Ukraine fight a proxy war

 

Example #2 The so called love of Taiwan & helping to protect their freedoms? Right...  first House Speaker to visit Taiwan since Newt Gingrich in 1997

So instead just once again selling/promising  weapons/support again while US taxpayers pay & to Taunt China

 

Example #3 now this silly show in South Korea to what? Taunt N Korea is all

 

America's only adversaries these days are in the White House & trying their best to start a WWIII

3 hours ago, heybruce said:

Right.  It's not like North Korea is building nuclear weapons, testing ICBM's, threatening its neighbor, or has ever attacked anyone.

 

Oh, wait.....

So we should also attack Israel or thats ok?

Cut the nonsense we are not the police of this world

 

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2 hours ago, mania said:

The usual need to deflect to previous admins has nothing to do with now

 

This is war mongering pure & simple

 

Example #1 Giving Billions in weapons to Ukraine has nothing to do with so called caring for democracy as they could care less for the Ukrainians instead it is selling weapons albeit once again on US taxpayers dime & then given freely to the Ukranians to Taunt Russia & Let Ukraine fight a proxy war

 

Example #2 The so called love of Taiwan & helping to protect their freedoms? Right...  first House Speaker to visit Taiwan since Newt Gingrich in 1997

So instead just once again selling/promising  weapons/support again while US taxpayers pay & to Taunt China

 

Example #3 now this silly show in South Korea to what? Taunt N Korea is all

 

America's only adversaries these days are in the White House & trying their best to start a WWIII

Out of curiosity.

 

Where do you get your news?

2 hours ago, mania said:

So we should also attack Israel or thats ok?

Cut the nonsense we are not the police of this world

 

The US has in the past tried isolationism, how did that work out?

 

What kind of world does Putin have in mind?

 

How about Kim, what do you think he wants?

 

Or the  Chinese, what are their ambitions?

 

And since you dragged Israel into this (I wonder why), should the Israeli’s sit on their hands while history repeats itself.

On 9/24/2022 at 10:20 AM, mania said:

No of course never but John Quincy Adams, Secretary of State

said it best about America..

"But she goes not abroad, in search of monsters to destroy"

I have attached his speech which is short & worth the read IMHO

 

1821secofstateJQAdmas.pdf 15.4 kB · 2 downloads

 

3 hours ago, mania said:

So we should also attack Israel or thats ok?

Cut the nonsense we are not the police of this world

 

North Korea is not simply a country with a different political approach or different world view - it is a obviously controlled by a dictator who can only keep his people, and the world, at bay by threatening death and destruction, including a nuclear arsenal that can strike harder and further, with each year that passes.

One needs to be proactive. In Adams times, we are talking about attacks by wooden war ships with cannon balls, and soldiers with bayonets. Not ballistic missiles sent from 15,000 kilometres away. 

Edited September 25, 20223 yr by Fat is a type of crazy

7 hours ago, mania said:

So we should also attack Israel or thats ok?

Cut the nonsense we are not the police of this world

 

Why would we attack anyone?

 

I also think that Israel would not threaten to nuke its neighbors if US ships visited neighboring countries.

Texas St will be in full swing. A few sailors will find Green St. Hope the sailors have a good port visit.

Back when DT went to N. Korean there were clues that his real motivation was to open a resort on the NK coast.  Dig through archives and you'll find his hints.  Wouldn't it be something if he ended up in exile there?

 

 

On 9/25/2022 at 3:51 AM, mania said:

The usual need to deflect to previous admins has nothing to do with now

 

This is war mongering pure & simple

 

Example #1 Giving Billions in weapons to Ukraine has nothing to do with so called caring for democracy as they could care less for the Ukrainians instead it is selling weapons albeit once again on US taxpayers dime & then given freely to the Ukranians to Taunt Russia & Let Ukraine fight a proxy war

 

Example #2 The so called love of Taiwan & helping to protect their freedoms? Right...  first House Speaker to visit Taiwan since Newt Gingrich in 1997

So instead just once again selling/promising  weapons/support again while US taxpayers pay & to Taunt China

 

Example #3 now this silly show in South Korea to what? Taunt N Korea is all

 

America's only adversaries these days are in the White House & trying their best to start a WWIII

Example #1: Russia invaded Ukraine, an independent democratic sovereign state.

 

Example#2: China is actively threatening to invade Taiwan, which is a de-facto independent democratic sovereign state.

 

Example #3: North Korea is developing and testing ballistic missiles (another launch yesterday) which threaten South Korea and Japan, both independent democratic sovereign states.

 

I might be naive, unsophisticated in international relations, but I reckon there is a pattern there...

 

You think it is all down to American war mongering?

Edited September 26, 20223 yr by herfiehandbag

7 hours ago, bendejo said:

Back when DT went to N. Korean there were clues that his real motivation was to open a resort on the NK coast.  Dig through archives and you'll find his hints.  Wouldn't it be something if he ended up in exile there?

 

 

Haven't the North Koreans suffered enough?