German and Israeli officials have condemned Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas for comments he made about Jews and the Nazi Holocaust in a speech.

Mr Abbas said Adolf Hitler ordered the mass murder of Jews because of their "social role" as moneylenders, rather than out of animosity to Judaism.

Israel's ambassador to the UN accused him of "pure antisemitism".

"History is clear," Germany's Ramallah mission said. "Millions of lives were erased - this cannot be relativized."

"We strive to promote a dignified and accurate memory of the victims."

The German ambassador to Israel, Steffen Seibert, added: "The Palestinians deserve to hear the historical truth from their leader, not such distortions."

 

Hitler used the Jewish people as a scapegoat for Germany's ills. He also considered them an inferior race which had to be exterminated.

The Palestinian president, who is 87, has previously been denounced by Jewish groups as a Holocaust denier for his doctoral thesis on the Nazis and Zionism.

Yet over the years, he has continued to give long, rambling speeches expounding his offensive views.

His address to the Fatah Revolutionary Council was made last month and later aired on Palestine TV. His remarks were then translated and publicised by the Middle East Media Research Institute on Wednesday. The translation has been verified by BBC News.

"They say that Hitler killed the Jews for being Jews, and that Europe hated the Jews because they were Jews. No. It was clearly explained that they fought them because of their social role and not their religion," Mr Abbas says at one point.

Later, he specifies that he was referring to the role of Jews involving "usury, money and so on".

 

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Disgraceful.

 

 

What a tool...................????

I totally misinterpretted the headline and assumed one of the Super Troupers had said something stupid.

13 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Disgraceful.

 

 

The Palestinians are in a tough spot; remain silent and docile in the face of what is effectively a slow motion genocide being perpetrated upon them or resort to terrorism which, ultimately, only harms their own cause.

 

The fault lies with the rest of the world that continues to turn a blind eye to the ongoing injustice of Israeli oppression of the Palestinian people and theft of their land.
 

The Germans, more than any others, should recognise what is occurring and be at the vanguard of calls for an immediate two state solution.

7 minutes ago, GarryP said:

I totally misinterpretted the headline and assumed one of the Super Troupers had said something stupid.

Also guilty of that mistake.

15 minutes ago, MrMojoRisin said:

The Palestinians are in a tough spot; remain silent and docile in the face of what is effectively a slow motion genocide being perpetrated upon them or resort to terrorism which, ultimately, only harms their own cause.

 

The fault lies with the rest of the world that continues to turn a blind eye to the ongoing injustice of Israeli oppression of the Palestinian people and theft of their land.
 

The Germans, more than any others, should recognise what is occurring and be at the vanguard of calls for an immediate two state solution.

Regardless, Abbas’ comments are disgraceful and only serve to play into the hand of the extremists in Israel.

 

17 minutes ago, MrMojoRisin said:

The Palestinians are in a tough spot; remain silent and docile in the face of what is effectively a slow motion genocide being perpetrated upon them or resort to terrorism which, ultimately, only harms their own cause.

 

The fault lies with the rest of the world that continues to turn a blind eye to the ongoing injustice of Israeli oppression of the Palestinian people and theft of their land.
 

The Germans, more than any others, should recognise what is occurring and be at the vanguard of calls for an immediate two state solution.

Certainly the Palestinians have been badly mistreated and still are. There's no good excuse for the brutal way the Israelis have treated them.  That said, such a comment by Abbas was really stupid. I don't see how it does anything but hurt their cause.

27 minutes ago, GarryP said:

I totally misinterpretted the headline and assumed one of the Super Troupers had said something stupid.

 

19 minutes ago, animalmagic said:

Also guilty of that mistake.

Mama mia!

Abbas has no clue why Hitler did anything.

 

Also, Palestinians are Semites, too.

6 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Certainly the Palestinians have been badly mistreated and still are. There's no good excuse for the brutal way the Israelis have treated them.  That said, such a comment by Abbas was really stupid. I don't see how it does anything but hurt their cause.

As it stands, the Palestinians have two choices:

1. Die in silence

2. Die fighting

 

Hypothetically,if the Palestinians were to go full Gandhi - nothing but non violent protest and also dropped all of the religious and bigoted rhetoric - what would that achieve for them?
 

Would the rest of the world step in to impose peace in the Middle East or would it simply allow Israel to accelerate the theft of the remaining land?

 

Normally, in any David v Goliath situation, it is David that garners overwhelming support - why is it not so here?

16 minutes ago, MrMojoRisin said:

As it stands, the Palestinians have two choices:

1. Die in silence

2. Die fighting

 

Hypothetically,if the Palestinians were to go full Gandhi - nothing but non violent protest and also dropped all of the religious and bigoted rhetoric - what would that achieve for them?
 

Would the rest of the world step in to impose peace in the Middle East or would it simply allow Israel to accelerate the theft of the remaining land?

 

Normally, in any David v Goliath situation, it is David that garners overwhelming support - why is it not so here?

Perhaps David’s old man is running his mouth with deliberately offensive and inflammatory remarks.

Just now, Chomper Higgot said:

Perhaps David’s old man is running his mouth with deliberately offensive and inflammatory remarks.

Pretty piss weak excuse to support state sponsored atrocities.

4 minutes ago, MrMojoRisin said:

Pretty piss weak excuse to support state sponsored atrocities.

Absolutely disgusting assertion.

 

Observing that Abbas’s comments are  offensive and inflammatory is not anywhere near supporting state state sponsored atrocities.

 

You need to get a grip of your emotions and refrain from baseless and offensive accusations.

Why on earth would he give Israel another excuse to eliminate Palestine?

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Absolutely disgusting assertion.

 

Observing that Abbas’s comments are  offensive and inflammatory is not anywhere near supporting state state sponsored atrocities.

 

You need to get a grip of your emotions and refrain from baseless and offensive accusations.

Knock off the feigned offence.

 

1. I posed a question of why, contrary to the norm, the underdog David (Palestine) was not the recipient of the majority of support

2. You responded by saying, to effect, the Palestinians aren’t receiving support because Abbas was running his mouth

3. I replied that would be a piss weak excuse to support the other side - Goliath

4. You had a hissy fit 

 

Someone does indeed need to get a grip.

5 minutes ago, Purdey said:

Why on earth would he give Israel another excuse to eliminate Palestine?

What should he do?

Is there an easy answer?

1 hour ago, MrMojoRisin said:

The Palestinians are in a tough spot; remain silent and docile in the face of what is effectively a slow motion genocide being perpetrated upon them or resort to terrorism which, ultimately, only harms their own cause.

 

The fault lies with the rest of the world that continues to turn a blind eye to the ongoing injustice of Israeli oppression of the Palestinian people and theft of their land.
 

The Germans, more than any others, should recognise what is occurring and be at the vanguard of calls for an immediate two state solution.

Hypocrisy from the Israelis who are doing to the Palestinians what the Germans did to the Jews before and during WW2.

 

Double hypocrisy  from most of the world leaders who turn their blind eyes and pretend that it is not happening, while at the same time condemning the Palestinians for fighting back with the only weapons they have.

 

Meanwhile the Israeli military use tanks, heavily armed troop, ground attack aircraft and helicopter gunships.

4 minutes ago, MrMojoRisin said:

Knock off the feigned offence.

 

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3. I replied that would be a piss weak excuse to support the other side - Goliath

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Here’s what you actually said:

20 minutes ago, MrMojoRisin said:

Pretty piss weak excuse to support state sponsored atrocities.

There’s a big gap between what you actually accused me of and what you now claim you accused me of.

 

Unfortunately for you and your revisionism I have the receipts.

 

Refer above.

8 minutes ago, MrMojoRisin said:

What should he do?

Is there an easy answer?

Refrain from deliberately offensive and inflammatory remarks would be a start.

Just now, Chomper Higgot said:

Refrain from deliberately offensive and inflammatory remarks would be a start.

Is that what you do when you and/or your loved ones are attacked, robbed, assaulted, murdered…?

12 minutes ago, MrMojoRisin said:

What should he do?

Is there an easy answer?

No easy answer but purposefully pouring fuel onto a fire is obviously not a good idea.

5 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Here’s what you actually said:

There’s a big gap between what you actually accused me of and what you now claim you accused me of.

 

Unfortunately for you and your revisionism I have the receipts.

 

Refer above.

Comprehension deficiencies + victim mentality = childish nonsense.

 

2 minutes ago, MrMojoRisin said:

Is that what you do when you and/or your loved ones are attacked, robbed, assaulted, murdered…?

Abbas is the leader of his nation, he has no business mouthing off deliberately offensive and inflammatory lies, his remarks do nothing at all to advance the Palestinian cause and only provide extremists in Israel with political ammunition.

 

 

2 minutes ago, Purdey said:

No easy answer but purposefully pouring fuel onto a fire is obviously not a good idea.

Not a long term winner but no doubt provides a morale boost for his long suffering people.

 

Again, what are his choices?

 

Without such comments would he be deemed weak by his people and lose his leadership role?

 

Do his words cause more harm in the world than Israeli apartheid policies?

2 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Abbas is the leader of his nation, he has no business mouthing off deliberately offensive and inflammatory lies, his remarks do nothing at all to advance the Palestinian cause and only provide extremists in Israel with political ammunition.

 

 

Without such remarks, would he remain leader of his “country”?

 

I see you cowardly avoided answering the question posed in the previous post.

 

????????????

3 minutes ago, MrMojoRisin said:

Comprehension deficiencies + victim mentality = childish nonsense.

 

What’s to comprehend?

 

You accuse me of supporting state sponsored atrocities, and when I call you out for doing so you offer up a completely transparent revision of your accusation.

 

You haven’t the spine to own your own words.

Unfortunately for you and you your comments are a matter of record.

 

 

Human Rights Watch has said that Israel is an apartheid state, it is a well known and respected human rights organisation. I believe them rather than news on the TV or western sourced media.  

I think Israel's treatment of Palestinians is disgraceful, barbaric and shameful. Palestinians are human beings as well, and if you walk a mile in their shoes, you might be able to understand.

I do understand that many farangs are ignorant of the real situation in Palestine  and will not be able to understand this point of view. 

4 minutes ago, MrMojoRisin said:

Not a long term winner but no doubt provides a morale boost for his long suffering people.

 

Again, what are his choices?

 

Without such comments would he be deemed weak by his people and lose his leadership role?

 

Do his words cause more harm in the world than Israeli apartheid policies?

Liars are always weak, lying is always a sign of weakness.

 

I thought you knew that.

 

Perhaps you don’t.

3 minutes ago, MrMojoRisin said:

Without such remarks, would he remain leader of his “country”?

 

I see you cowardly avoided answering the question posed in the previous post.

 

????????????

From accusing me of supporting state sponsored atrocities to now accusing me of cowardice.

 

Your on a roll today.