Social Media Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 The International Court of Justice (ICJ), the United Nations' top court, has declared that it possesses jurisdiction to hear the case brought by Ukraine against Russia. Filed at The Hague just days after Russia's full-scale invasion of Ukraine in February 2022, Kyiv accuses Moscow of unjustly invoking genocide law to justify its brutal invasion. Ukraine's case at the ICJ contends that Russia falsely used the Genocide Convention of 1948 to legitimize its actions in the ongoing conflict. Russia, on the other hand, argues that its intervention was aimed at preventing a genocidal attack on ethnic Russians in Ukraine's eastern Donbas region. While the focus of the case revolves around the Genocide Convention, Ukraine does not accuse Russia of committing genocide within its borders. Instead, Kyiv asserts that Russia violated the genocide treaty by using it as a pretext for the invasion. Ukraine maintains that there was no credible risk of genocide in the eastern regions, where it had been engaged in conflict with Russian-backed forces since 2014. Ukrainian representative Anton Korynevych welcomed the ICJ's decision, emphasizing the importance of the court ruling on the allegation that Ukraine is not responsible for a purported genocide that Russia has falsely claimed since 2014 in Donbas. The ICJ's ruling grants it jurisdiction to consider Ukraine's request for a declaration that Kyiv has not committed genocide. However, the court will not rule on whether Russia's invasion or recognition of the independence of areas in eastern Ukraine amounts to a violation of the Genocide Convention, as those claims fall under different international laws. Russia contends that Ukraine is using the case as a means to indirectly challenge the overall legality of its military action and has sought to have the case dismissed. A record 32 states have submitted their views on the matter, with more than two dozen European states, Australia, and Canada formally supporting Kyiv. This recent procedural development signifies a significant step forward in the case, allowing it to proceed. While ICJ rulings are legally binding, the court lacks the authority to enforce them, making diplomatic and international pressure crucial in determining the outcome of this high-stakes legal dispute. 03.02.24 Source 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beautifulthailand99 Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 (edited) South Africa Israel can't be arsed to read the other thread but the usual suspects will have no doubt trashed the court so that's that for them nothing to see here. Of course if they get the result they are seeking it will be all true. Straight out of the Trump playbook. So is this a legitimate international court or not think carefully before answering simple answer yes or no ? Edited February 3 by beautifulthailand99 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Morch Posted February 3 Popular Post Share Posted February 3 7 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said: South Africa Israel can't be arsed to read the other thread but the usual suspects will have no doubt trashed the court so that's that for them nothing to see here. Of course if they get the result they are seeking it will be all true. Straight out of the Trump playbook. So is this a legitimate international court or not think carefully before answering simple answer yes or no ? Apart from you not addressing the OP, at all.... You can't be arsed to read a topic, then go on to opine about what posters may have commented there (plus 'no doubt'). Also somehow assuming that the anti/pro Trump lines hold on all topics (that's not the case) - and then ending with a bogus, loaded 'question'. Ah yes....'think carefully'. Maybe practice what you preach. 2 1 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkk Brian Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 6 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said: South Africa Israel can't be arsed to read the other thread but the usual suspects will have no doubt trashed the court so that's that for them nothing to see here. Of course if they get the result they are seeking it will be all true. Straight out of the Trump playbook. So is this a legitimate international court or not think carefully before answering simple answer yes or no ? Why would any who supports Israel's right to defeat Hamas have trashed the ICJ court? I am on Israel's side for that and thought the decision fair. No ceasefire. Now back on topic? There's dozens of pages on indepth info about the Israel case. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beautifulthailand99 Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 That's my afternoon wasted then checking out your posts. For the record I unequivocally and unreservedly respect the authority and judgment of the court as the highest international tribunal to settle disputes between nation states. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkk Brian Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 9 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said: That's my afternoon wasted then checking out your posts. For the record I unequivocally and unreservedly respect the authority and judgment of the court as the highest international tribunal to settle disputes between nation states. Oh yes you'll waste your time.......lol. My first post as soon as it was announced. https://aseannow.com/topic/1318095-provisional-decision-today-icj-weighs-emergency-measures-amid-allegations-of-genocide-in-gaza/?do=findComment&comment=18647734 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beautifulthailand99 Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 10 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said: Oh yes you'll waste your time.......lol. My first post as soon as it was announced. https://aseannow.com/topic/1318095-provisional-decision-today-icj-weighs-emergency-measures-amid-allegations-of-genocide-in-gaza/?do=findComment&comment=18647734 This is not the place to debate that. But your contribution is noted. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bkk Brian Posted February 3 Popular Post Share Posted February 3 (edited) 31 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said: That's my afternoon wasted then checking out your posts. For the record I unequivocally and unreservedly respect the authority and judgment of the court as the highest international tribunal to settle disputes between nation states. For the record I unequivocally and unreservedly respect the authority and judgment of the court as the highest international tribunal to settle disputes between nation states. Very happy to hear that. So I look forward to reading your posts denouncing the illegal invasion of Ukraine by Russia. Measures issued back in 2022 The International Court of Justice has ordered Russia to stop the war We already knew Russia’s invasion was illegal in international law. But the ICJ decision now makes it virtually impossible for anyone, including Russia, to deny that illegality. https://theconversation.com/the-international-court-of-justice-has-ordered-russia-to-stop-the-war-what-does-this-ruling-mean-179466 Edited February 3 by Bkk Brian 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkk Brian Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 (edited) 6 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said: This is not the place to debate that. But your contribution is noted. Not debating, what made you think that. Showing you facts that you posted you wanted to find and waste your time with remember Edited February 3 by Bkk Brian 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beautifulthailand99 Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 7 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said: For the record I unequivocally and unreservedly respect the authority and judgment of the court as the highest international tribunal to settle disputes between nation states. Very happy to hear that. So I look forward to reading your posts denouncing the illegal invasion of Ukraine by Russia. Measures issued back in 2022 The International Court of Justice has ordered Russia to stop the war We already knew Russia’s invasion was illegal in international law. But the ICJ decision now makes it virtually impossible for anyone, including Russia, to deny that illegality. https://theconversation.com/the-international-court-of-justice-has-ordered-russia-to-stop-the-war-what-does-this-ruling-mean-179466 Absolutely and unequivocally to save my time explaining that I will quote an article from the brilliant journalist and now polemicist Purlitzer Prize winner and Presbyterian priest Chris Hedges on the subject. Every single word. https://www.salon.com/2023/07/08/they-lied-about-afghanistan-they-lied-about-iraq-now-theyre-lying-about-ukraine/ 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bkk Brian Posted February 3 Popular Post Share Posted February 3 14 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said: Absolutely and unequivocally to save my time explaining that I will quote an article from the brilliant journalist and now polemicist Purlitzer Prize winner and Presbyterian priest Chris Hedges on the subject. Every single word. https://www.salon.com/2023/07/08/they-lied-about-afghanistan-they-lied-about-iraq-now-theyre-lying-about-ukraine/ Oh that Chris Hedges who hosts a weekly interview show called 'On Contact,' on RT News, Russia's state funded and controlled propaganda machine.....lol The same Chris Hedges who has long been an entrenched critic of American military action anywhere...... 1 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beautifulthailand99 Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 (edited) 46 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said: Oh that Chris Hedges who hosts a weekly interview show called 'On Contact,' on RT News, Russia's state funded and controlled propaganda machine.....lol The same Chris Hedges who has long been an entrenched critic of American military action anywhere...... If I could be bothered I would post Chris's position on RT he left after the invasion BTW and he was never censored by them or dictated what he could report on so it was just another platform to get his views to a widest audience possible. He was sacked by the NYT when he went against their line on the Iraq invasion and gave a rousing speech to that effect at an American University gradustion. He is as principled as the day is long and probably the greatest living journalist long may he reign. Whereas there is probably no US intervention you haven't supported. At Harvard he founded an underground newspaper which was shut down by the administration and earned him an academic probation. Worked as a correspondent in hot spots and war zones for many years including El Salvador, the Balkans, and the Middle East. Giving the 2003 commencement address at Rockford College in Rockford, Illinois, said: “We are embarking on an occupation that, if history is any guide, will be as damaging to our souls as it will be to our prestige and power and security.” After only a few minutes, he was booed and his microphone cut. Has taught college-credit courses in New Jersey prisons for 10 years and is an outspoken critic of the U.S. penal system. Quit after 15 years with the New York Times refusing to follow their order to stop speaking out against the Iraq war. The paper claimed he was hurting their impartiality. Has been arrested several times for his involvement in Occupy Wall Street and anti-war protests. A hero. That Chris Hedges. Edited February 3 by beautifulthailand99 3 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bkk Brian Posted February 3 Popular Post Share Posted February 3 5 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said: If I could be bothered I would post Chris's position on RT he left after the invasion BTW and he was never censored by them or dictated what he could report on so it was just another platform to get his views to a widest audience possible. He was sacked by the NYT when he went against their line on the Iraq invasion and gave a rousing speech to that effect at an American University gradustion. He is as principled as the day is long and probably the greatest living journalist long may he reign. Whereas there is probably no US intervention you haven't supported. You can't be bothered but post about it anyway. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beautifulthailand99 Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 4 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said: You can't be bothered but post about it anyway. Edit I thought Chris was worth the effort great man that he is so I did. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkk Brian Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 Just now, beautifulthailand99 said: Edit I thought Chris was worth the effort great man that he is so I did. Does he discuss this topic? Or should you start one on him? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Morch Posted February 3 Popular Post Share Posted February 3 2 hours ago, beautifulthailand99 said: This is not the place to debate that. But your contribution is noted. You brought it up...? 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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