1 hour ago, CallumWK said:

 

Since when did left wing governments block access for immigrants?

 

 

You missed the word "illegal" out.

 

 

There is more to racism than blocking immigrants..........(which is not racist at all)

1 hour ago, newbee2022 said:

A rogue state would be ok with you? And why do you think you have the leadership of opinions?

 

 

 

Babbling nonsense!

1 hour ago, newbee2022 said:

I explained the problem of "send them back", which is favoured on AN by simple minds can't work.

If the recipient doesn't agree you'll have to keep them.

However, the mind games of the govt. to punish a country (France) by cancelling visa is just ridiculous. 

And that only because a few people crossing the channel to live in freedom.

 

You have lost the plot. It's about the country of origin, e,g,  Eritrea, Iraq, Congo.

It's not a  "few" people. In the past 7 years. 180,000 known refugee claimants have arrived by channel boats. Add to this the hundreds of thousands of visa overstayers and other  "refugees" and it is easy to see why there is a problem in the UK.

How about you pay the costs of all these people who you describe as "seeking to live in freedom". And you can tell all the immigrants who follow the rules and obey the law that they cannot be processed or assisted because hundreds of thousands of visa abusers and bogus refugees pushed in front of them.

On 9/9/2025 at 10:54 AM, Chomper Higgot said:

It’s a good idea and not one that’s difficult to implement.

 

 

 

If the world was as simple as it seems to bloggers on this forum, then the world would also be a simple place.

 

For example the UK is trying to arrange a trade deals with countries such as India worth billions each year, that will be impossible to implement if we block all visa applications to the UK from India.

 

 

1 hour ago, Patong2021 said:

You have lost the plot. It's about the country of origin, e,g,  Eritrea, Iraq, Congo.

It's not a  "few" people. In the past 7 years. 180,000 known refugee claimants have arrived by channel boats. Add to this the hundreds of thousands of visa overstayers and other  "refugees" and it is easy to see why there is a problem in the UK.

How about you pay the costs of all these people who you describe as "seeking to live in freedom". And you can tell all the immigrants who follow the rules and obey the law that they cannot be processed or assisted because hundreds of thousands of visa abusers and bogus refugees pushed in front of them.

"You have lost the plot."

...and you your mind ...

5 hours ago, JamesPhuket10 said:

 

If the world was as simple as it seems to bloggers on this forum, then the world would also be a simple place.

 

For example the UK is trying to arrange a trade deals with countries such as India worth billions each year, that will be impossible to implement if we block all visa applications to the UK from India.

 

 

India will be fine.    The spice must flow.
 

Besides,  India doesn’t seem to have a problem taking back illegals so they’ll be fine.   At least that’s what their minister of foreign affairs says.  Of course, they want them transported humanely.  Hopefully the UK can make their return flights more comfortable than the US seems to.

 

“In his statement on Thursday, Jaishankar said all countries had an obligation to take back their nationals who had entered other countries illegally. They often faced dangerous journeys and inhumane working conditions once they had reached their destinations, he said.”

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cm27k2m91p7o
 

What countries are refusing to take back their model citizens?   They must be awful countries…or maybe the people that they don’t want returned are awful people?

 

Sounds like some of the people could end up stateless.   I hear there are lots of empty islands around.  Maybe a few can be donated so that these (potentially) stateless people can finally have a country to call their own.

 

 

 

 

9 hours ago, JonnyF said:

 

That's strange.

 

Because that's exactly what Labour have been claiming for the last few years. Suddenly they're all over it. Unfortunately for them, people see through this pathetic PR exercise.

 

 

Is that your gaff Jonny?

1 hour ago, Airalee said:

India will be fine.    The spice must flow.
 

Besides,  India doesn’t seem to have a problem taking back illegals so they’ll be fine.   At least that’s what their minister of foreign affairs says.  Of course, they want them transported humanely.  Hopefully the UK can make their return flights more comfortable than the US seems to.

 

“In his statement on Thursday, Jaishankar said all countries had an obligation to take back their nationals who had entered other countries illegally. They often faced dangerous journeys and inhumane working conditions once they had reached their destinations, he said.”

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cm27k2m91p7o
 

What countries are refusing to take back their model citizens?   They must be awful countries…or maybe the people that they don’t want returned are awful people?

 

Sounds like some of the people could end up stateless.   I hear there are lots of empty islands around.  Maybe a few can be donated so that these (potentially) stateless people can finally have a country to call their own.

 

 

 

 

 

Good news regarding the Indian speaker.

 

Let's see if it works out in reality.

 

I know hundreds of people of India origin who went to the UK in the 1970's from the plight going on in East Africa, each generation since have become qualified professionals, as have their children ..... All paying taxes, and adding to the value of the UK.

 

I am just against undocumented boat people who turn up without a passport, they could be anybody, people also forget once in the UK they can then apply to bring the rest of the family with them.

 

And which country are the illegal boat people escaping from plight, France it seems but the last time I looked France seemed to be a safe country. 

On 9/8/2025 at 8:37 PM, webfact said:

The UK is considering

That seems to be all the UK EVER does to help it's citizens is "Consider". For the love of God people, try acting and stop considering. 

10 hours ago, newbee2022 said:

Nonsense.

It's against ALL laws. 

Come back to reality.

Governments make laws and can change existing ones.

That's the reality.

10 hours ago, JonnyF said:

Look what Trump did.

Well, he calls them ANIMALS and treat them alike.

10 hours ago, newbee2022 said:

I don't think so.

I'm convinced democracy will win and stay with laws and humanity.

If you follow the demagogue Farage you can see the outcome in US.

You want Britain to be a rogue fascist state?

Not me.

Islam will win if no action is taken.

Democracy will cease to exist.

Britain will not become a rogue fascist state. It will become something much, much worse.

Forget wokeness and look forward to homosexuals being thrown off buildings, women being stoned to death and honour killings.

You have them already.

Nothing more satisfying than a bucket of acid into your spurned lovers face, apparently.

4 minutes ago, emptypockets said:

Governments make laws and can change existing ones.

That's the reality.

That's wrong. You would need a new constitution. And therefore you need the majority at least in parliament.

1 minute ago, newbee2022 said:

That's wrong. You would need a new constitution. And therefore you need the majority at least in parliament.

So do it.

Protect your country, the people and your history.

If not......leave.

5 minutes ago, newbee2022 said:

Well, he calls them ANIMALS and treat them alike.

What do you think they are calling YOU?

Look at Sweden's experience.

3 minutes ago, emptypockets said:

Islam will win if no action is taken.

Democracy will cease to exist.

Britain will not become a rogue fascist state. It will become something much, much worse.

Forget wokeness and look forward to homosexuals being thrown of buildings, women being stoned to death and honour killings.

You have them already.

Nothing more satisfying than a bucket of acid into your spurned lovers face.

well, if you follow the demagogue Farage you will end up like Netanyahu, killing everybody who dares to oppose.

Just now, newbee2022 said:

well, if you follow the demagogue Farage you will end up like Netanyahu, killing everybody who dares to oppose.

That's one way to do it.

3 minutes ago, emptypockets said:

So do it.

Protect your country, the people and your history.

If not......leave.

I don't know where you're coming from. But inform yourself how to make changes in our constitution. I don't think it's easy if you have to follow human rights.

2 minutes ago, emptypockets said:

That's one way to do it.

Yes, fascists and dictators can do. I won't like to live there. I'm happy not to be an American.

24 minutes ago, newbee2022 said:

I don't know where you're coming from. But inform yourself how to make changes in our constitution. I don't think it's easy if you have to follow human rights.

Not my constitution. Not my country. You do the research.

I'm merely commenting on what I see is, sadly, happening to a once great country.

Who is defining human rights? Certainly not Islam, one of the most brutal cults in the history of mankind.

Don't join us and you will be subservient and taxed. Joins us and leave and you will be murdered.

Enjoy your future eutopia.

 

 

8 minutes ago, emptypockets said:

Certainly not Islam, one of the most brutal cults in the history mankind.

I'd say the Christians are and never have been better.

6 minutes ago, newbee2022 said:

I'd say the Christians are and never have been better.

Say what you want. Historically I would agree. But we are now in the present dealing with current issues.

If Islam does it for you and your country, then continue down the current path.

I think a lot of UK citizens may disagree and I can see this leading to a civil war in the not too distant future.

The government is not listening and from what I have read neither are the police or the judicial system.

As I have said, not my country.

People will decide one way or another.

I don't know if that will be the native population or the imported ones.

Either way it will get ugly and many people will die.

 

Very sad.

2 minutes ago, newbee2022 said:

I'd say the Christians are and never have been better.

Thnaks

 

Yeah we are always improving

 

better than ever 

 

obviously the Muslims are making us look good in comparison but that’s a low bar they’re setting with all the terrorism and stuff

 

Kind of like trying to be better than the neighbor who is firebombing the street twice a week 

13 hours ago, newbee2022 said:

I don't think so.

I'm convinced democracy will win and stay with laws and humanity.

If you follow the demagogue Farage you can see the outcome in US.

You want Britain to be a rogue fascist state?

Not me.

I certainly don't want to see The United Kingdom become a rogue fascist state.

 

There is a very strong deep seated feeling that the population are very unhappy at the massive level of illegal migration, are very unhappy at the way these migrants are being treated (generously) compared to the least fortunate in our society, and a strong body of opinion which wishes for them to be returned.

 

Now that feeling is being expressed in some rather ugly and ( to me at least) distasteful, inarticulate and unsavoury demonstrations, but it certainly needs to be assessed and answered, and not by perjorative political labelling.

 

As a "sub point" I would also like the United Kingdom to be a state where the police force policed both sides of such demonstrations with equal vigour and or restraint, where the laws were applied equally across the board; and where people weren't arrested for ludicrous reasons like saying that they liked bacon!

 

I too have very strong reservations about Farage, but this present shower, for some inexplicable reason (perhaps incompetence) seems hell bent on helping him into power!

10 hours ago, JAG said:

unhappy at the massive level of illegal migration, are very unhappy at the way these migrants are being treated (generously) compared to the least fortunate in our society,

That's a good point.

The situation is as follows:

The migrants (whatever reason they come) are to be cared of by the government. And the districts/community has to look for accommodation, food and health care.

On the other hand, if citizens, most old or poorly paid, are on need of subsidies or help, they would have to undergo a long bureaucratic way.

And after retirement they can't pay the high costs of housing, rent, energy anymore, whereas migrants will get it for free.

After 5 or 6 years the migrants are still living in their house, paid by the government, whereas the neighbor has to go for an 8 hrs job, leaving him with not much less at the end of the month than his migrant neighbor.

That's highly unfair and brings the people out to the streets for demonstration.

 

16 hours ago, newbee2022 said:

That's wrong. You would need a new constitution. And therefore you need the majority at least in parliament.

 

The UK for example does not have a constitution.

 

It has a sort of constitution, but it is not codified in a single document as is the case in the USA.

 

Instead, the UK's constitution is a collection of written laws (statute law), common law, historical traditions, and constitutional conventions, all of which have evolved over time to govern the country.  

 

And hence those laws can be changed thus changing the loose fitting so called constitution. 

 

12 minutes ago, JamesPhuket10 said:

 

The UK for example does not have a constitution.

 

It has a sort of constitution, but it is not codified in a single document as is the case in the USA.

 

Instead, the UK's constitution is a collection of written laws (statute law), common law, historical traditions, and constitutional conventions, all of which have evolved over time to govern the country.  

 

And hence those laws can be changed thus changing the loose fitting so called constitution. 

 

That's indeed common sense, but nice to read it again from wikipedia

That's not my point. Sure, laws can be changed or implemented:

 

 In Great Britain, laws passed by parliament are just as unreviewable by the courts as all processes in parliament itself: the legislative procedure, the rules of procedure, the internal processes. The Supreme Court in Great Britain is not a constitutional court that can declare a law unconstitutional. Only the application of the laws by the government and authorities is justiciable. All this is limited at most by the European Convention on Human Rights, which has been transposed into British law and has nothing to do with the EU.

I remember there was one person called Garage or something, who said that if the UK left the EU then it would be able to end illegal migration to the UK because it would have the "sovrinty" to do that.

Mind you, the same person reckoned that adding little crowns to beer glasses was illegal within the EU. It wasn't, as it turned out.

 

 

1 hour ago, Purdey said:

I remember there was one person called Garage or something, who said that if the UK left the EU then it would be able to end illegal migration to the UK because it would have the "sovrinty" to do that.

Mind you, the same person reckoned that adding little crowns to beer glasses was illegal within the EU. It wasn't, as it turned out.

 

 

But adding the little crown to the glass has made the beer taste so much better. It's the Brexit benefit everyone keeps searching for.