4 minutes ago, JimCM said:

Do you think Gazans would be better off under a blockade, totally controlled by a discriminatory Israel?
What a choice, live in a concentration camp or support freedom fighters.

 

 What about the choice they have of leaving? That is what Israel wants. Israel doesn't want them all to die, they just want them to leave.

 

The rulers of Gaza declared war on Israel and Palestinians support the goal of death to all Jews. I think wiping Gaza clean of all Palestinians that refuse to leave is a great idea.

 

 

 

 

22 minutes ago, JimCM said:

Do you think Gazans would be better off under a blockade, totally controlled by a discriminatory Israel?
What a choice, live in a concentration camp or support freedom fighters.

 

The 2.1 million Arabs of Palestinian ancestry who live in Israel as Israeli citizens are certainly better off than the Gazans.  Except for the  nobility and ruling families of the Gulf petro states, Israeli Arabs have more political rights and a higher standard of living than "ordinary" Arabs anywhere outside Israel.

 

Hamas are not freedom fighters, they are terrorists seeking to win control of what would be an Islamist state.  That's according to their own charter.  What Islamist state or kingdom gives its citizens or subjects political freedom?

1 hour ago, Smokin Joe said:

The rulers of Gaza declared war on Israel and Palestinians support the goal of death to all Jews. I think wiping Gaza clean of all Palestinians that refuse to leave is a great idea.

No, you are mistaken, Israel have been the aggressors for many years and land thieves and oppressors.

1 hour ago, Evil Penevil said:

Hamas are not freedom fighters, they are terrorists seeking to win control of what would be an Islamist state.  That's according to their own charter.  What Islamist state or kingdom gives its citizens or subjects political freedom?

Calling Hamas terrorists seeking an Islamist state ignores the true issue, Palestinians have lived under decades of occupation without sovereignty. For most people(except a few brainwashed Westerners), Hamas represents resistance, not ideology.   

 

51 minutes ago, JimCM said:

Calling Hamas terrorists seeking an Islamist state ignores the true issue, Palestinians have lived under decades of occupation without sovereignty. 

 

For Israeli Jews and many other Jews,  Hamas seeking to destroy Israel and replace it with an Islamist state IS the true issue.  Palestinian Arabs have lived under occupation for centuries, not just decades. They never had sovereignty.  You have to go back to Biblical times and the Iron Age to find centuries in which people who were actually born in historical Palestine ruled  the region.  That would be the Kingdoms of  Israel  and Judah.    

 

The Ottoman Empire became occupiers in 1516 and ruled until the British took over in 1920.  When the Brits quit Mandatory  Palestine in 1948, the local Palestinian leadership and the Arab League rejected the U.N.'s two-state partition which would have given Palestinians sovereignty.   Israel declared its independence;  Jordan occupied and annexed the West Bank; and Egypt occupied the Gaza Strip.  Jordan and Egypt could  have granted Palestinians sovereignty, but didn't.  In 1967, Israel occupied all of historical Palestine after winning the  Six-Day War.

 

With the concessions Israel made under the Oslo Accords, Palestinians got closer to sovereignty than they had ever been before.  Unfortunately that process collapsed, Hamas came to power in Gaza and Palestinians are where they are today.                                                                                                                                             

 

51 minutes ago, JimCM said:

 For most people(except a few brainwashed Westerners), Hamas represents resistance, not ideology.   

 

I could flip that back at you and say, "For most people (except a few brainwashed Hamas sympathizers), Hamas represents terrorism and Islamist totalitarianism."

 

The governments of  Australia, Canada, Ecuador, Israel, Japan, New Zealand, Paraguay, the United Kingdom, and the United States, as well as the European Union and Organization of American States, have designated Hamas as a terrorist organization.  Even Switzerland, the most neutral of nations, has banned Hamas.  

 

Are those the "few brainwashed Westerners" you mean?

9 hours ago, Smokin Joe said:

 

 What about the choice they have of leaving? That is what Israel wants. Israel doesn't want them all to die, they just want them to leave.

 

The rulers of Gaza declared war on Israel and Palestinians support the goal of death to all Jews. I think wiping Gaza clean of all Palestinians that refuse to leave is a great idea.

 

 

Making them leave under Hobson's Choice is a war crime and meets the definition of Genocide.

No one is surprised that Palestinians are committing public executions in front of cheering crowds. 

 

Some people have the need to justify it. 

@Simon 55

 

Simon, you have had multiple posts written in Hebrew.

 

English is the only permitted language on AseanNow, apart from the Thai language sub-forum.

 

If you have something you want to post & it's within the Forum Rules, then you must use English.

 

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On 9/23/2025 at 10:13 PM, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   So you would have no complaints if the IDF executed looters in the street in Gaza ?

Where should they start I wonder?:

 

https://www.trtworld.com/article/6e596d4a2688

It occurs to me that there must be some method of separating Hamas from ordinary Palestinian civilians. Their leadership is safely in Qatar--shame on Qatar which will not accept Palestinian refugees--but their fanatics are mixed in with the crowd.

 

Perhaps a good Hamas detector would be those that cheer public executions. Those could easily be picked off with drones.

11 hours ago, Evil Penevil said:

The governments of  Australia, Canada, Ecuador, Israel, Japan, New Zealand, Paraguay, the United Kingdom, and the United States, as well as the European Union and Organization of American States, have designated Hamas as a terrorist organization.  Even Switzerland, the most neutral of nations, has banned Hamas.  

Is that all, what about Thailand, China, India, Indonesia, Malaysia, Myanmar, and all the other countries whose foreign policy is not controlled by Israeli lobbying/money?

1 hour ago, unblocktheplanet said:

shame on Qatar which will not accept Palestinian refugees--but their fanatics are mixed in with the crowd.

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They, like most countries in the region abhor Israel, they want Palestinians to stay in their native land. 

6 hours ago, JBChiangRai said:

 

Making them leave under Hobson's Choice is a war crime and meets the definition of Genocide.

Exactly, there’s some conflicted people saying otherwise.

16 hours ago, Patong2021 said:

 

So killing political rivals who may not have been collaborators sends a message? Brilliant.

 

Just the warm up act for when the real fun begins.

 

The internal bloodbath when the recognition of a Palestine State is formally announced.

42 minutes ago, JimCM said:

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They, like most countries in the region abhor Israel, they want Palestinians to stay in their native land. 

 

Qatar, like most countries in the region abhor Israel Palestinians. They want the Palestinians to stay in their native land Israel.

On 9/23/2025 at 10:06 PM, Patong2021 said:

You have no idea that the  3  executed Arabs were collaborators, but you readily accept the story. Worse is the double standard you  show. If Israel had done this you would be screaming war crime, genocide   blah blah, blah. However, it's Hamas so apparently they get a pass on this.  Really impressive. Can't wait for your empty words now of how you condemn violence and  excuse the murders because Hamas  is in a difficult spot.

And yet when Trump takes it into his own hands to kill people on the high seas for drug smuggling, without offering any evidence or proof, it’s okay. I hardly see any difference in the behaviour of Hamas and Trump. So who are the bad guys?

20 hours ago, Zack61 said:

And yet when Trump takes it into his own hands to kill people on the high seas for drug smuggling, without offering any evidence or proof, it’s okay. I hardly see any difference in the behaviour of Hamas and Trump. So who are the bad guys?

 

This is not a thread about Trump or or alleged state sponsored drug traffickers. Nor are the events related.

On 9/25/2025 at 2:39 AM, JimCM said:

Is that all, what about Thailand, China, India, Indonesia, Malaysia, Myanmar, and all the other countries whose foreign policy is not controlled by Israeli lobbying/money?

 

I could flip that back at you and say those countries don't designate Hamas as a terrorist group because their foreign policy is controlled by Iranian and/or Arab Islamist lobbying/money.   I would be offering just as much evidence as you did for your claim of  Israeli control.  However, it's pointless for either of us to make dubious accusations for which no evidence can be given. 

 

Israel is small country with about 10.1 million inhabitants.  Geographically it's only the size of New Jersey and it lacks natural resources.  It's biggest mineral export is potash, for Chrissake.  How the hell could Israel command the wealth and influence needed to control the foreign policy of so many countries?  Where would that money come from?  It's an absurd thought.

 

Moreover, a country can condemn Hamas' actions without officially designating it as a terrorist organization.  Ireland ties with Spain as Europe's most pro-Palestine and anti-Israel countries, but even the Irish Prime Minister recently had extremely harsh words for Hamas.

 

Taoiseach Micheál Martin said Hamas has "broken every humanitarian law, and cannot be part of Gaza's future. 

"There should be unequivocal condemnation of Hamas, if we're trying to chart future for a Palestinian state, with guarantees for Israel into the future.  ... Because Hamas has consistently refused to recognize an Israeli state, and are vowed and committed to the elimination of an Israeli state."  https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c4g7pkpk7e7o

 

A simple explanation exists for Hamas' designation as a terrorist group:  it has nearly 40 years of committing terrorist atrocities, culminating in the Oct. 7 attack. There's no reason to grasp for silly conspiracy theories about Israeli control of other countries' foreign policy.