Gulf states want US to finish off Iran

ABU DHABI—Battered by Iranian strikes and the disruption of the Strait of Hormuz, the United Arab Emirates and some fellow Persian Gulf states have come to view Iran’s theocracy as an existential enemy. They now want the regime they once courted to be neutered, if not dismantled, when the conflict ends—so the ordeal is never repeated.

https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-east/us-iran-war-gulf-states-strikes-7f12acb2?gaa_at=eafs&gaa_n=AWEtsqdjccrQVeSarTz4nBluZJe2jlUbsCf_rC4nSSs4o-OgUnaBbZ23r8EJfM7kE7E%3D&gaa_ts=69bbca61&gaa_sig=-dO8vGMb_LDfzYYhJYPQISJs8AC95I5zNrSCx5EK0REqi5S51KkJfUfjl4swgD6tNBFFKcypASQTT-odVxuy3g%3D%3D

Some how these Gulf states don't realise who the aggressor is ?

as brainwashed as 'Darth Tangerine' is I suppose ?

7 minutes ago, johng said:

Some how these Gulf states don't realise who the aggressor is ?

Iran has been a bully to several neighboring countries.

https://www.counterextremism.com/topics/iran-and-its-proxies

Some of Iran’s proxies in the Middle East include Hezbollah in Lebanon and Syria, Hamas in Gaza, the Houthis in Yemen, and others. Where its proxies have not been able to take root, Iran has engaged in subversive activities via the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) to undermine its rivals and enhance its influence. Iran’s quest for regional dominance has created tremendous instability in the region and inflamed wars that have left thousands dead.

Iran has it's own global bomb and is playing a blinder. Leave us alone or will bring down the global house of cards. Of which they have many unlike Ukraine.

https://archive.ph/NZW1E

Donald Trump has said the US’s war with Iran will end when he decides — when, as he put it, “I feel it, feel it in my bones.”

But it will not only be up to the US president. Over the past week, as the conflict has escalated and sent shocks through the global economy, Iran’s leaders and military commanders have signalled that — far from a quick capitulation — the Islamic republic plans to silence its guns on its own terms.

“Everybody is fixated on the vacillations of Trump, but it’s completely missing the fact there’s a massive country with its own agency,” said a western official. “What is at play is pretty much the whole raison d’être of the regime, which is to survive and resist.”

Iran views the conflict as an existential threat, is desperate to restore its deterrent and wants to ensure its foes are not willing to pay the price of future attacks, a person close to the regime, diplomats and experts said.

Indeed as the poster above intimates, how much pain can the US government endure compared to the Iranian government? Even though the US and Israel can inflict 100 times more pain on the Iranian regime than vice versa, the Iranian dictatorship can endure 1000 times the pain than the US government.

5 minutes ago, Briggsy said:

Indeed as the poster above intimates, how much pain can the US government endure compared to the Iranian government? Even though the US and Israel can inflict 100 times more pain on the Iranian regime than vice versa, the Iranian dictatorship can endure 1000 times the pain than the US government.

The thing is Shia's fervently beleive in martyrdom and the head of security in full knowledge he was a dead man walking ddin't cower in a hole like Saddam but defiantly went into the streets. They have balls of steel unlike the west, and you are right their capacity to take pain would be our idea of utter utter hell into which we are slowly being dragged. And they spent 20 years preparing for this moment if the homeland was attacked by the Zionsist agressors they would straight to the jugular the Straits and nearby oil infrastrucure of those who harbour US bases.

No regional honour? I wonder if this is propaganda, 'fake news'.

5 minutes ago, unblocktheplanet said:

No regional honour? I wonder if this is propaganda, 'fake news'.

No

Boy, all the sudden the left loves them some mullahs...

23 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Boy, all the sudden the left loves them some mullahs...

mullahs are better than trump.

29 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

mullahs are better than trump.

Exactly. There is no danger the mullahs will stop the leftward shift of the United States, only Trump stands in the way of that shift.

2 minutes ago, cjinchiangrai said:

The only problem with that thought is that the US has been shifting to the right

This is good news. The left makes a mess of evethtign they touch.

OP deliberately posted paywalled article.

From what I can gather, the article is based on quotes from a few selected individuals, Sultan al-Jaber, the U.A.E. Minister of Industry and Advanced Technology and CEO of ADNOC, Majed al Ansari, an adviser to Qatar’s prime minister, and an unamed Gulf official. Its possibly a bit of a stretch to take 3 sources, only one of which holds any kind of portfolio in government, and imply there is a change in national policy towards Iran.

None of these states are in any way a democracy. At best, you can call them, on the surface, benign dictatorships. All of them have secret police. Bahrain came closest to a parliament, but as soon as it starts disagreeing with the King, it always gets shut down. My old class mate is now Prime Minister. During the Bahraini crackdowns ~10-12 years ago, I had hoped that he would take a break from the past, because I thought I knew him. Ultimately, he was beholden to tradition, and no better than his old man.

I suspect none of these states want the Islamic Republic to be replaced by a democratic, secular republic, which would seriously challenge their continued existence. But economic turmoil affects their ability to ship their hypercars to London for the summer. They lead states where the locals are given non-jobs and free stuff, where the workforce is a mixture of flight-risk Western expats and sullen, essentially indentured Asian workers (with passports taken off them). They won the resource lottery; the Bedu arabs have contributed nothing culturally to the Islamic world, unlike the Iraqis, the Egyptians, the Persians. Historically, they were uneducated, illiterate peasants. What they want the Islamic Republic replaced by is something that the West doesn't want; we don't want a failed Iranian state. There are too many countries in that region like that.

In the end, only the opinions of the Kings and Amirs count, not these quotes of basically commoners. When the Americans have gone, Iran will be still there, outnumbering the Gulf Arabs and Saudis by 2 to 1. They will need to come to an accomodation with Iran one way of another.

2 hours ago, Briggsy said:

Indeed as the poster above intimates, how much pain can the US government endure compared to the Iranian government? Even though the US and Israel can inflict 100 times more pain on the Iranian regime than vice versa, the Iranian dictatorship can endure 1000 times the pain than the US government.

2 hours ago, Briggsy said:

Indeed as the poster above intimates, how much pain can the US government endure compared to the Iranian government? Even though the US and Israel can inflict 100 times more pain on the Iranian regime than vice versa, the Iranian dictatorship can endure 1000 times the pain than the US government.

2 hours ago, Briggsy said:

Indeed as the poster above intimates, how much pain can the US government endure compared to the Iranian government? Even though the US and Israel can inflict 100 times more pain on the Iranian regime than vice versa, the Iranian dictatorship can endure 1000 times the pain than the US government.

Only if they have money to pay off half a million revolutionary guards ,without their payments they gone away

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With one possible exception, no war has ever been won from the air. It needs boots on the ground.

The population of Iran is 93 million. IMO they would be much less disturbed by body bags than Americans.

The combined population of the Gulf states is about 110 million. Iran has a mass advantage in terms of military.

While I am sure Trump would like the Gulf states to put the boots on the ground to clean up the mess he has created, I doubt they would be interested.

5 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

With one possible exception, no war has ever been won from the air. It needs boots on the ground.

The population of Iran is 93 million. IMO they would be much less disturbed by body bags than Americans.

The combined population of the Gulf states is about 110 million. Iran has a mass advantage in terms of military.

victory

While I am sure Trump would like the Gulf states to put the boots on the ground to clean up the mess he has created, I doubt they would be interested.

Whether or not boots on the ground are required for victory, depends on how one defines victory.

It already looks like a victory from where I'm sitting.

The revolutionary guards are the equal of the waffen SS

1 hour ago, 3NUMBAS said:

The revolutionary guards are the equal of the waffen SS

Oh, the DNC?

8 hours ago, Lacessit said:

With one possible exception, no war has ever been won from the air. It needs boots on the ground.

The population of Iran is 93 million. IMO they would be much less disturbed by body bags than Americans.

The combined population of the Gulf states is about 110 million. Iran has a mass advantage in terms of military.

While I am sure Trump would like the Gulf states to put the boots on the ground to clean up the mess he has created, I doubt they would be interested.

You made a mistake in the estimate of the Gulf States population (Saudi Arabia, UAE, Qatar, Kuwait, Bahrain, Oman), because you have included the the expatriate population. If you consider citizens only, its more like 28-30 million. The citizen component of their militaries varies; in Saudi Arabia, its about 90% citizen, in Qatar, its 40%. Its not unusual for units to be entirely mercernary. In Bahrain and Qatar, without foreigners, their armed forces basically don't exist.

Why so many foreigners? Demographics, ie not enough people. Poor image; soldiering is not seen as a good job in these countries. Loyalty; frankly, the rulers don't trust their own people. In Bahrain, for instance, internal security forces are almost entirely Jordanian. When the UAE deployed troops to Yemen, basically no one from Dubai or Abu Dhabi went; nearly all the combat troops were Colombians.

The Gulf states don't want to contribute troops not because they have any particular concern for them, but because they don't really have anything, and what they have is really not all that. The 3 F15es shot down in Kuwait. Not due to errant groundfire, as first reported, but by a single Kuwaiti F18, who made not one mistake, not two mistakes but three mistakes.

https://www.twz.com/news-features/kuwaiti-f-a-18-hornet-responsible-for-shooting-down-three-usaf-f-15e-strike-eagles-report

The deal for American bases in the Gulf is that the Americans protect the Arabs. Nothing more than that. Its not a grand formal alliance, of sharing the burden. This is what Khalaf Al Habtoor meant, in his rebuke of Graham. America gets to put troops in the Gulf, to protect America. The Arabs give them huge sacks of cash in the form of arms sales, for arms that they are never going to use, in return, a bit of that protection is extended to the Arabs. Gulf Arabs don't really have the same sense of nationhood as, say Europeans, or Asians like the Japanese or Koreans.

3 hours ago, Roadsternut said:

You made a mistake in the estimate of the Gulf States population (Saudi Arabia, UAE, Qatar, Kuwait, Bahrain, Oman), because you have included the the expatriate population. If you consider citizens only, its more like 28-30 million. The citizen component of their militaries varies; in Saudi Arabia, its about 90% citizen, in Qatar, its 40%. Its not unusual for units to be entirely mercernary. In Bahrain and Qatar, without foreigners, their armed forces basically don't exist.

Why so many foreigners? Demographics, ie not enough people. Poor image; soldiering is not seen as a good job in these countries. Loyalty; frankly, the rulers don't trust their own people. In Bahrain, for instance, internal security forces are almost entirely Jordanian. When the UAE deployed troops to Yemen, basically no one from Dubai or Abu Dhabi went; nearly all the combat troops were Colombians.

The Gulf states don't want to contribute troops not because they have any particular concern for them, but because they don't really have anything, and what they have is really not all that. The 3 F15es shot down in Kuwait. Not due to errant groundfire, as first reported, but by a single Kuwaiti F18, who made not one mistake, not two mistakes but three mistakes.

https://www.twz.com/news-features/kuwaiti-f-a-18-hornet-responsible-for-shooting-down-three-usaf-f-15e-strike-eagles-report

The deal for American bases in the Gulf is that the Americans protect the Arabs. Nothing more than that. Its not a grand formal alliance, of sharing the burden. This is what Khalaf Al Habtoor meant, in his rebuke of Graham. America gets to put troops in the Gulf, to protect America. The Arabs give them huge sacks of cash in the form of arms sales, for arms that they are never going to use, in return, a bit of that protection is extended to the Arabs. Gulf Arabs don't really have the same sense of nationhood as, say Europeans, or Asians like the Japanese or Koreans.

Correct, I forgot the expats. My bad.

I understand they have Patriots and THAAD batteries, but the Iranians are swarming those defensive weapons with cheap Shahed drones. What will be exhausted first?

How anyone would expect a 5-time draft dodger to have any grasp of military strategy and tactics is beyond my pay grade.

20 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

Correct, I forgot the expats. My bad.

I understand they have Patriots and THAAD batteries, but the Iranians are swarming those defensive weapons with cheap Shahed drones. What will be exhausted first?

How anyone would expect a 5-time draft dodger to have any grasp of military strategy and tactics is beyond my pay grade.

That is also the possible reason Iran has only used their Sejil missiles once. They are waiting to soften defenses first.

AI Overview

The Iranian "dancing missile" is the

Sejjil (or Sejil/Sajjil-2), an advanced, solid-fuel, medium-range ballistic missile. It earned this nickname due to its high-altitude maneuverability, which allows it to change trajectory and "dance" to evade defense systems like the Iron Dome, making it difficult to intercept. 

Key details about the Sejjil include:

• Performance: It has a reported range of up to 2000

  –2500

  km and a high, fast flight path, notes the Wikipedia article.

• Technology: Being a solid-fuel missile, it can be launched much faster than older, liquid-fuel systems, such as the Shahab.

• Use: It is designed to strike distant targets while defying interception through erratic, "zigzag" flight, says this post on Facebook.

• Range: The missile is designed to hit targets up to 2000

  km away, according to this MSN article. 

The Sejjil is part of Iran's strategy to enhance long-range capabilities with solid-fuel technology.