Painting A New House...

[Fun2Fun]

Hi,

We are in the process of having a new house painted, and in regards to all the concrete sections both inside and out we would appriciate any recommendations on suitable paints / paint brands.

So if there is anyone with expirence who can recommend which paint / paint brand is the best suited for this task among the ones available here in Thailand, then any info and tips is highly appriciated.

Also if anyone could give a tip on what kind of discount % we should expect to get when purchasing the paint, that too would be very much appriciated

Edited September 2, 2007 by Fun2Fun

[track61]

I just painted a new house and used an enamel based paint of the trim (wood) and an acrylic base on the concrete. Sorry don't remember the manuf. name and don't have any data handy. I think that probably the painter is more important than the paint. Make sure he doesn't dilute it too much and that enough coats are applied to provide adequate coverage. Weather is also important. It is the rainy season and rain and paint are not a very good combination. Just my opinion, I am certainly not an expert coatings guy.

[pianoman]

I just painted a new house and used an enamel based paint of the trim (wood) and an acrylic base on the concrete. Sorry don't remember the manuf. name and don't have any data handy. I think that probably the painter is more important than the paint. Make sure he doesn't dilute it too much and that enough coats are applied to provide adequate coverage. Weather is also important. It is the rainy season and rain and paint are not a very good combination. Just my opinion, I am certainly not an expert coatings guy.

I totally agree with the "Not too much water" statement... I had to flight like crazy to get the painters on our new house not to delute the paint any more than 1/2 water / 1/2 paint... They were using almost 3 gals of water for every gal. of paint... They had already painted the property wall before I got there, and it is already fadded and falling off in areas... The next time we paint, I will do it, and it will be "Paint" right out of the bucket, no water at all....

The research I did prior to building my place told me that TOA was one of the best brands in Thailand, if not the best...

Pianoman

[track61]

Yep, now3 I remember. The paint I used was manuf by TOA but marketed under a label with a different name, but the can had the TOA logo on it.

[HDRIDER]

HI

Dulux, a bit expensive but good, my painter say its the best, he say TAO is not good, he say its look bad after a short time, TAO is under half price so up 2 you

[Fun2Fun]

Got some prices yesterday, Dulux was just slightly more expensive than TOA (about 20%). (Maybe we got a good price on Dulux and a bad one on TOA, i dont know)

Edited September 2, 2007 by Fun2Fun

[technocracy]

Got some prices yesterday, Dulux was just slightly more expensive than TOA (about 20%). (Maybe we got a good price on Dulux and a bad one on TOA, i dont know)

TOA is fine - not worth paying extra for Dulux which in my opinion isn't any better. For all woods, interior and exterior paints in our house we used TOA.

Just make sure the primer first and as been said before don't dilute too much (TOA paint should be diluted by how much is detail on the tanks).

[AlbertTatlockDeceased]

What I would suggest is you make sure you have a good quality primer first - I used Jotun - Jotaprimer, anti mildew etc. (not 100% sure of the spelling)

I would reccomend Dulux Wearthershield or Nippon 3 in one, both very good nd easy to clean, whatever you do DO NOT USE TOA!

You will have no end of problems, their paints and varnish lines are absolute rubbish, cannot hold up against UV at all.

[onzestan]

Dulux primer and paint.

Different brands don't always work well together.

Follow instructions on packing and you can't go wrong.

Dulux good for 10 years.

cheers

onzestan

[mellow1]

Used Nippon Sealer,then Nippon paint right out of the can,give it 2 coats.House looks beautiful.

[Fun2Fun]

Thanks for all the feedback...

Anyone have any ideas on what kind of discount % is available on paints?

[cmsally]

We used TOA seven in one (or some similar name) for exterior . As far as I remember you don't dilute it at all (maybe wrong there as I can't remember too well). However after using many brands of acrylic or whatever of ordinary paint - this was far better with no peeling/flaking and holds up to the sun.

I think you will find it quite a bit more expensive but I found it worth the extra cost.

I think you might find other brands do the same kind of paint as this but probably market it under a different name.

TOA products

It's here on this link - TOA 7 in 1

[gregb]

Hi,

We are in the process of having a new house painted, and in regards to all the concrete sections both inside and out we would appriciate any recommendations on suitable paints / paint brands.

So if there is anyone with expirence who can recommend which paint / paint brand is the best suited for this task among the ones available here in Thailand, then any info and tips is highly appriciated.

Also if anyone could give a tip on what kind of discount % we should expect to get when purchasing the paint, that too would be very much appriciated

Either TOA or Dulux/ICI is fine. TOA is slightly cheaper, and that is what we just used. One of the most important things to keep in mind is whether you are using an oil based paint (see namman) or a water based paint (see nam) The painter will tell you which is preferred, but as a general rule, on interior surfaces, water based paints are preferred. On the exterior, they generally use oil based paints.

Now, having said this, you will often find Thai painters using oil based paints on the interior walls because it is slightly cheaper. The wood trim and moldings however almost are always done with a water based paint.

Don't worry so much about the brand. Unless you are absolutely sure about the color you want forever, or you are going to be painting a very difficult to access location, just buy a cheap paint and plan on redoing it every few years. Labor is cheap and painting is an easy job, so you can afford to do it much more often than you can in the West. The difference between a cheap TOA paint and the most expensive Dulux formulation may be 500 baht/gallon. That money goes a long way. Don't get taken in by marketing. Thais repaint every 3 years anyway.

[gburns57au]

ok 17 years a paint maker and also application experience....

For the concrete or render surfaces....use a diluted acrylic base, cheaper than a specialist primer or undercoat.....but not even 50/50 dilution....just enough so it soaks in and leaves a bit for the other coats to cling to......90/10 mix should be enough....for the main coats no more than 5% dilution. Two coats with an anti mildew added. Keep to pastel colours....the more colour agent added will result in greater sun damage. Also the greater the water dilution will also create problems with sun damage.

Metal surfaces....Oil based paints....use a primer....again two coats to finish.

Wood surfaces...primer or diluted top coat if you using an enamel.....If varnishing then obviously no primer needed. Acrylic paints on wood are ok unless you are looking for a gloss finish....this has to be worked quick to get a good look and I wouldnt use it in a hot climate. Especially for doors as it tends to soften in the heat and you will find the doors will start sticking to the frames.

Use a lo sheen all round...or use a matt for the living areas and a lo sheen for places like the bathroom and kitchen where there is high humidity and also grease....the lo sheen washes better and doesnt absorb moisture as much as flats or matts.

As for brands ....much of a muchness...personally I have just used Dulux and I will never use it again....no coverage and hard to work with, especially in hot weather. TOA is not a bad brand and made locally.

Discount.....the best you can get....shop around a bit.

Edited September 2, 2007 by gburns57au

[geoffphuket]

I've a 9 foot perimeter wall painted with white acrylic. In the monsoon season it takes just 4 or 5 days of heavy rain to turn it black, green and pink with mould. I've tried various brands of paint but all fail miserably in the heat and humidity. I'm sure other TV members have similar experiences, so what's the solution - or isn't there one!

geoffphuket

[sukanyacondo]

ok 17 years a paint maker and also application experience....

For the concrete or render surfaces....use a diluted acrylic base, cheaper than a specialist primer or undercoat.....but not even 50/50 dilution....just enough so it soaks in and leaves a bit for the other coats to cling to......90/10 mix should be enough....for the main coats no more than 5% dilution. Two coats with an anti mildew added. Keep to pastel colours....the more colour agent added will result in greater sun damage. Also the greater the water dilution will also create problems with sun damage.

Metal surfaces....Oil based paints....use a primer....again two coats to finish.

Wood surfaces...primer or diluted top coat if you using an enamel.....If varnishing then obviously no primer needed. Acrylic paints on wood are ok unless you are looking for a gloss finish....this has to be worked quick to get a good look and I wouldnt use it in a hot climate. Especially for doors as it tends to soften in the heat and you will find the doors will start sticking to the frames.

Use a lo sheen all round...or use a matt for the living areas and a lo sheen for places like the bathroom and kitchen where there is high humidity and also grease....the lo sheen washes better and doesnt absorb moisture as much as flats or matts.

As for brands ....much of a muchness...personally I have just used Dulux and I will never use it again....no coverage and hard to work with, especially in hot weather. TOA is not a bad brand and made locally.

Discount.....the best you can get....shop around a bit.

Agree with most of this as a painter of 20+ years but do not forget your preparation also including sanding timber down and sanding between coats on timber . Primer 2 undercoats and gloss. After sanding brush of the dust and wipe down well then prime then fill any cracks and holes etc. One thing as said above you have to be bloody quick painting in the tropics it loses its "wet edge" very fast plan how you will do it ie where you will stop an start on your brushwork avoid any non drip paint. Paint thickness is one thing that gives longevity with timber. Ie 4 coats as above.

Avoid dark colours in full sun areas which get hotter faster and breakdown due to expansion contraction of timber.

Acrylic undercoats in my opinion on exterior timber are not as good as oil based.

I wouldnt bother with Dulux weathershield on exterior timber its too thin and requires too many coats ie dark colours need 2 topcoats.

All water based no more than 10% dilution.

The main thing tho is preparation skimp here and your wasting your money with any paint ie it must be a clean, dry and dust free surface.