Pitbull Dogs: A Special Report by Pattaya People

[Robski]

There is a difference between ban and control - is the nuance escaping you?

Please explain what you suggest.

Cheers

<edit>

As to the owner of the dog in the OP it is reckless to allow a pitbull to wander the streets and 10,000 baht compensation is hardly a dettterent,

and that negligable amount is really an insult to the owner that has lost a beloved pet.

Edited September 22, 2007 by Totster
Removed flame

[Maigo6]

Men who get a buzz from owning a pit bull terrier usually have a small penis and suffer from premature ejaculation

Bitter experience talking ?

I guess you like men who own poodles.

[Chang_paarp]

Men who get a buzz from owning a pit bull terrier usually have a small penis and suffer from premature ejaculation

Bitter experience talking ?

I guess you like men who own poodles.

I suppose it is anything small and fluffy that excites.

[ratchabuild]

Just today in the Uk a grandmother was aquited of negligence re. allowing a pit bull to savage and kill her baby/toddler grand daughter. The dog belonged to her tracksuit and baseball hat wearing, unemployed low life son. The dog ripped of the little girls face. Although the dog had attacked people in the past it had never turned on its family - not that the dog understood the little girl was family

This is where the law is an ass,..first politician to ban these breeds would get my vote for sure, absolutly disgusting, as a father of a youngster i feel if it happened to me it would nt get to court,

Youre absolutely right, they should be banned and with kids you are right to be alarmed, In the states the majority of attacks on people about 70+ % are by pitbulls and they have killed hundreds of people. <edit>

Edited September 18, 2007 by Totster

[TokyoT]

Youre absolutely right, they should be banned and with kids you are right to be alarmed, In the states the majority of attacks on people about 70+ % are by pitbulls and they have killed hundreds of people. <edit>

Not according to this study - no were near 70%, and not unless over 100 but less than 200 counts as being hundreds killed.

http://www.dogbitelaw.com/Dog%20Attacks%20...6%20Clifton.pdf

Granted the pit bulls leads the pack in attacks and deaths (but not near the stats you indicate).

This paper is actually a decent read. I was surprised that the Akita and Chow numbers were not larger than they were.

I found the bit about the Husky attacks (most do not occur in the lower 48) rather interesting as well.

I am not saying the pit bull breed does not tend to be more violent than other breeds, but I still feel it has as much (if not more) to due with who/how the dogs are raised. People that want mean dogs actively seek out pit bulls. Dogs owned/raised by such people are certain to be involved in more attacks.

Make all the arguments you want about banning the breed, if a ban ever does take place other breeds will take it’s place. There are people out there that breed specifically for the attack nature of the dogs, and if you take away the pit bull they will simply raise another breed to become just as aggressive. That is their goal – to breed a mean and aggressive dogs. If anything can be learned from looking at the history of dog breeding it is that if a breeder knows what they are doing they can breed a dog to match whatever trait they want.

Additionally the vast majority of dog attacks take place at home or in a familiar place, and the vast majority of dog attacks involve the owner/ owner’s family or friend. So it’s not likely that the pit bull down the street is much of a risk toyou or your family unless you venture onto their turf.

[Skyline]

Since when have Pitbulls had "locking jaw mechanisms"?...Honestly!

Maybe its an option when you buy the dog,similar to power steering.

Just another story of an irresponsible dog owner who knows nothing about the breed.

[grahamhc]

What else shall we ban at the same time as Pit bulls?

Tobacco?

Alcohol?

McDonalds?

Ice Cream?

I have seen studies proving that all the above can be deadly.

Cheers

These you choose to eat, but a Pitbull chooses to eat YOU !!

(Cars and bikes bit deleted as not edible by either side.)

[sbk]

Since when have Pitbulls had "locking jaw mechanisms"?...Honestly!

Maybe its an option when you buy the dog,similar to power steering.

Just another story of an irresponsible dog owner who knows nothing about the breed.

Its a common myth, apparently:

Do American Pit Bull Terriers or American Staffordshire Terriers have locking jaws?

Hopefully, this myth has been relegated to an urban legend where it belongs. No canine has a locking jaw - it is a physical impossibility for dogs.

Do American Pit Bull Terriers have incredible bite pressure, greater than any other breed of dog?

No! No! No! There is no accurate test to measure the PSI (pressure per square inch) of a Pit Bull or any other breed of dog. It has been shown that other breeds of dogs actually may (as there still is no conclusive test) have a harder bite. So, then why is it sometimes difficult to get a Pit Bull off of another creature? Well, the short answer - that is what they were bred for.

The breed was bred to hold on, at all costs. Imagine if a bull-baiting dog suddenly let go of the bull’s nose (which immobilizes the bull) that would leave the bull free to kill the dog and kill the dog the bull would.

American Pit Bull Terriers do have muscular neck and shoulder muscles but so do American Bulldogs, Boxers, Jack Russell Terriers, Dogo’s and a variety of other breeds of dogs. It is not the neck muscles that determine the strength of a dogs bite - 75% of that bite is coming from the rear legs, and by immobilizing the rear portion of the dog’s body, a person can take away 75% of that bite from the dog! Certainly a bite from a Pit Bull is more devastating than, say a teacup poodle, but no more devastating than a well placed bite from a Beagle that hits a key nerve in the face of a child, rendering that child’s face paralyzed.

The take home point is this - ANY dog can inflict serious damage to a human being, especially a child and it is the responsibility of ALL dog owners to socialize and prepare their dogs for the “real” world.

Source: about.com

[Prakanong]

Since when have Pitbulls had "locking jaw mechanisms"?...Honestly!

Maybe its an option when you buy the dog,similar to power steering.

Just another story of an irresponsible dog owner who knows nothing about the breed.

Its a common myth, apparently:

Do American Pit Bull Terriers or American Staffordshire Terriers have locking jaws?

Hopefully, this myth has been relegated to an urban legend where it belongs. No canine has a locking jaw - it is a physical impossibility for dogs.

Do American Pit Bull Terriers have incredible bite pressure, greater than any other breed of dog?

No! No! No! There is no accurate test to measure the PSI (pressure per square inch) of a Pit Bull or any other breed of dog. It has been shown that other breeds of dogs actually may (as there still is no conclusive test) have a harder bite. So, then why is it sometimes difficult to get a Pit Bull off of another creature? Well, the short answer - that is what they were bred for.

The breed was bred to hold on, at all costs. Imagine if a bull-baiting dog suddenly let go of the bull's nose (which immobilizes the bull) that would leave the bull free to kill the dog and kill the dog the bull would.

American Pit Bull Terriers do have muscular neck and shoulder muscles but so do American Bulldogs, Boxers, Jack Russell Terriers, Dogo's and a variety of other breeds of dogs. It is not the neck muscles that determine the strength of a dogs bite - 75% of that bite is coming from the rear legs, and by immobilizing the rear portion of the dog's body, a person can take away 75% of that bite from the dog! Certainly a bite from a Pit Bull is more devastating than, say a teacup poodle, but no more devastating than a well placed bite from a Beagle that hits a key nerve in the face of a child, rendering that child's face paralyzed.

The take home point is this - ANY dog can inflict serious damage to a human being, especially a child and it is the responsibility of ALL dog owners to socialize and prepare their dogs for the "real" world.

Source: about.com

Yeah - the beagle has to have a "Well placed bite" (teaching them the dog equivalent of kung &lt;deleted&gt; are we) before it might do the damage talked about. ;-)

Yes any dog can inflict serious damage but which breed is doing it in higher proportions than others?

Banned in the UK and for good reason (although we ban guns as well and for good reason)

[grahamhc]

You may think "Off Topic", but it amused me, as dealing with the same subject .....

HOW TO INSTALL A HOME SECURITY SYSTEM

1. Go to a second-hand store and buy a pair of men’s used size 14-16 work boots & a pair of extra large work gloves.

2. Place them on your front porch, along with a copy of Guns & Ammo, Soldier of Fortune magazines and the latest NRA magazine.

3 Put a few giant dog dishes next to the boots, gloves and magazines.

4. Leave a note on your door that reads: "Hey Bubba, Big Jim, Duke and Slim, I went for more ammo. Back in an hour. Don’t mess with the pit bulls….. they attacked the mailman this morning and messed him up so bad he's in ICU. The police came and will be back soon to carry out an investigation and DNA samples. I don’t think Killer took part in the attack as he was out the back at the time. It must have been the other three, but it was hard to tell from all the blood everywhere. Anyways, I locked all four of them in the house. Better wait outside until I come back."

I'll be back asap ..................... Bull

[ignoramus]

What else shall we ban at the same time as Pit bulls?

Tobacco?

Alcohol?

Motor Bikes?

Fast Cars?

All Cars?

McDonalds?

Ice Cream?

I have seen studies proving that all the above can be deadly.

Cheers

[stevemiddie]

Should be banned.

As for the poster comparing Pit Bulls and Ice cream is quite frankly...................laughable.

Edited October 20, 2007 by stevemiddie

[percy2]

What else shall we ban at the same time as Pit bulls?

Tobacco?

Alcohol?

Motor Bikes?

Fast Cars?

All Cars?

McDonalds?

Ice Cream?

I have seen studies proving that all the above can be deadly.

Cheers

Really! Great post. Apt Nick.

Cheers

[banchang]

I think the problem could be solved with the aid of the device , slightly adapted for dog use

[peacemakers]

I was bitten by a strange dog yesterday while walking . Can I sue the owner (if I can find them) ? so many dogs in the soi and seems no one care and worry about scabies.

[Acquiesce]

If someone's pitbull killed one of my loving dogs, I'm afraid that there would be one dead pitbull and one pitbull owner in the hospital with many broken bones.

I agree 100 percent, if it had killed my dog i would have gone straight out and smashed it's skull all over the street with a baseball bat.

No question.

[RockerRoller]

SOURCE: Pattaya People: September 6th 2007

Pitbull Dogs: A Special Report:

Who Is Really to Blame?

Pitbull dogs are one of the most intelligent breeds; however, that is where the resemblance to other dog breeds ends.

This breed is not like the rest. Pitbulls have had a very bad reputation mainly because they have an inbuilt aggressive and very active temperamental spirit.

Pitbulls are banned for keeping as pets in many parts of Europe. The UK has strict guidelines for forced muzzling of the dog in public, due to a large number of fatal attacks on other dogs and children.

In Pattaya, the latest victim was Mr. Ossi Viljanen's pet dog Toto, who died from severe bites by an American Pitbull belonging to a German neighbor of Mr. Viljanen from Finland. The incident happened in Chok Chai Garden Homes.

The police were called to make a report and the owner of the pitbull agreed to pay 10,000 baht the next day. However, the owner did not turn up at the designated time but came later that day. Since then, Mr. Viljanen has organized a meeting with fellow neighbors with a petition about the dangerous dog still wandering the neighborhood unattended.

To get a balanced report, we spoke to an American Pitbull owner, a member of the Sawang Boriboon South Pattaya Rescue Unit. He stated "American pitbulls are a fierce dog and they bite extremely hard. They have a locking mechanism in their jaw.

But these animals are also very friendly if they are trained the right way. I have had my dog for five years and she has never bitten any human being. People should not blame the dog for its actions but blame the owners; it's their responsibility. I think any dog without registration or a collar should be taken off the street."

Understand that these unique dogs are a breed apart; it is like owning a tiger as a pet, cute to look at but fierce by nature and extremely dangerous. Furthermore, why should we blame Pitbulls for our own cruelty? Think twice and face the truth before you accept responsibility for owning one of these potentially dangerous and restricted breed of dogs.

LOL LOL I laugh my arse of when I read this nonsense. Guys, you'd better go and learn more about pitbulls, see a few actually before jumping to conclusions. Pitbulls are nice dogs, human friendly therefore poor guard dogs. If the killer dog would have been a GSD or Labrador you would have never mention it here. Obviously you have no clue about dogs.

I agree with Skyline, with an idiot owner any dog is dangerous.

[Jokerpoint]

From where can I get one here in Pattaya? BTW, I tried to talk to my neighbour about his dog that wanders around my property...

[plasticpig]

Men who get a buzz from owning a pit bull terrier usually have a small penis and suffer from premature ejaculation

[tattoodrob]

From where can I get one here in Pattaya? BTW, I tried to talk to my neighbour about his dog that wanders around my property...

get from threppasit market as have quite regularly there...saw some nice rotties for sale too,and some english bull terriers.cant see the parents when bought from a market though which is a shame.

i believe all dogs can be generally ok if socialised correctly.......yes some dogs dont like other dogs so you keep them on a lead or dont let outside property or should be punished in a reasonable way..whatever that may be!!!!

dogs chase cats..cats chase mice....mice eat your frosties!!!! we cant turn all animals into docile do nothings....they will always have a little of there original wildness but those that dont train them to a certain standard or dont socialise them shouldnt have a dog.....get a rabbit or suchlike

i also laugh at people who say the owners must have small penis,premature ejac etc just coz they like these sort of dogs.......i think they are the ones with the problem........where is the link between penis and owning a dog......if i had a small penis or ejac probs i dont think owning a pitbull would make me feel better or maybe thats what the small penis brigade that join in these threads think.

personally i like all dogs but prefer larger ,leaner more muscular ones just like my women ......so what ....its my life,if you like small yappy things thats your choice....i like what i like and dont have to give any reasons for my choices.

just to mention ..isnt there a thai bred dog (cant bloody remember offhand what its called,mrs knows but shes asleep!)that is well known for being super agressive and a right pain.....maybe i should get one to really increase my manhood size just like the thai owners have .end of rant.

[Smithson]

Remember the story about the pittbull mauled its owner while she was sleeping. It happened last year to the French lady. The doctores had to reconstructed her whole new face, in which took it from a lady who died from accident.

Believe it or not this was a Labrador. Initially it was reported to be a Pitbull, as often happens in dog attack reports, which is why they have such a bad name.

Pitbulls or APBT were bred for many things, including fighting, as were English Bull Terriers, Staffordshire Bull Terriers and a lot of other breeds.

Similar to a lot of dog breeds, APBT's are like fast cars, dangerous in the hands of idiots. They are for responsible owners who want a super dog and are prepared to train and exercise it a lot. If you want to see what a 20 kg APBT can do check out this video

Thailand has a dog problem, there's too many strays and too few responsible owners. The APBT has a problem, they are caught in a vicious circle - the hype created by the media is attracting the wrong ppl.

The loose dogs in my Soi killed our cat, but I don't think the media would be too interested in that story, because they weren't APBTs.