Military Service For Dual National.

[coxhoedave]

We are looking into the possibillity of getting dual nationality for our 12 year old son (Thai/British). Does anyone know what the situation is regarding national service. We currently live in the UK, Brit father/Thai mother.

[gusgorman]

My son has Dual Thai/UK nationality and it is something i have discussed with my wife and friends here and so far as i understand, he wil be liable for the lottery draw with regards to going into the services. I am not sure how accurate my info is as you hear so many different tales but the only sure ways i am told of getting out of this is for him to renounce his Thai nationality or be in full time education when he comes of that age and then go on to gain a good job. This also leads on to me having been told that if you are considered to be of a certain standing in this respect then you will be left out of it.

That said if you live in the UK at the time i am not sure it will be relevant at all.

[thaihome]

If you attend an ROTC type program if going to school in Thailand you are exempt from the lottery.

[pschef]

If you attend an ROTC type program if going to school in Thailand you are exempt from the lottery.

yes this is true, like army cadets in UK

[coxhoedave]

My son has Dual Thai/UK nationality and it is something i have discussed with my wife and friends here and so far as i understand, he wil be liable for the lottery draw with regards to going into the services. I am not sure how accurate my info is as you hear so many different tales but the only sure ways i am told of getting out of this is for him to renounce his Thai nationality or be in full time education when he comes of that age and then go on to gain a good job. This also leads on to me having been told that if you are considered to be of a certain standing in this respect then you will be left out of it.

That said if you live in the UK at the time i am not sure it will be relevant at all.

I have never heard anything concrete about this subject but only rumours. One of the rumours is that even if he is in full time education at 18 years he will be liable for the lottery draw if he returns to LOS up to the age of 30. Anyone know anything about this?

[sungod]

May not come to it.A friend of mine has a son born and raised in Thailand. His son who is above average intelligence actually wanted to to join the Navy and thus tried to volunteer. The Thai navy would not accept him not giving any real reason, but both he and his father reading between the lines sensed being 'half farang' was a contributing factor.

[Old Man River]

May not come to it.A friend of mine has a son born and raised in Thailand. His son who is above average intelligence actually wanted to to join the Navy and thus tried to volunteer. The Thai navy would not accept him not giving any real reason, but both he and his father reading between the lines sensed being 'half farang' was a contributing factor.

I am not sure as it relates to the Thai Navy, but most probably it won't get him out of the draft. My friend just went through this with his son. The boy grew up in the UK, is "half farang," now lives in Thailand and was drafted.

[coxhoedave]

May not come to it.A friend of mine has a son born and raised in Thailand. His son who is above average intelligence actually wanted to to join the Navy and thus tried to volunteer. The Thai navy would not accept him not giving any real reason, but both he and his father reading between the lines sensed being 'half farang' was a contributing factor.

I am not sure as it relates to the Thai Navy, but most probably it won't get him out of the draft. My friend just went through this with his son. The boy grew up in the UK, is "half farang," now lives in Thailand and was drafted.

Looks like it may be best to forget about Thai citizenship for my boy. He's lived in the UK all his life and dual nationality will not be so attractive if he is drafted.

[Old Man River]

May not come to it.A friend of mine has a son born and raised in Thailand. His son who is above average intelligence actually wanted to to join the Navy and thus tried to volunteer. The Thai navy would not accept him not giving any real reason, but both he and his father reading between the lines sensed being 'half farang' was a contributing factor.

I am not sure as it relates to the Thai Navy, but most probably it won't get him out of the draft. My friend just went through this with his son. The boy grew up in the UK, is "half farang," now lives in Thailand and was drafted.

Looks like it may be best to forget about Thai citizenship for my boy. He's lived in the UK all his life and dual nationality will not be so attractive if he is drafted.

If your kid wants to end up living in Thailand, then look at some of the other responses in this thread and others, as there are ways where those with financial capacity can avoid military service in Thailand. Without going into this in detail, my friend's son did not have to go into the military, despite being drafted. This happens often.

[jstumbo]

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May not come to it.A friend of mine has a son born and raised in Thailand. His son who is above average intelligence actually wanted to to join the Navy and thus tried to volunteer. The Thai navy would not accept him not giving any real reason, but both he and his father reading between the lines sensed being 'half farang' was a contributing factor.

<br />I am not sure as it relates to the Thai Navy, but most probably it won't get him out of the draft. My friend just went through this with his son. The boy grew up in the UK, is "half farang," now lives in Thailand and was drafted.<br />

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I thought that with a small payment, you could get a person out of military service?

[samran]

May not come to it.A friend of mine has a son born and raised in Thailand. His son who is above average intelligence actually wanted to to join the Navy and thus tried to volunteer. The Thai navy would not accept him not giving any real reason, but both he and his father reading between the lines sensed being 'half farang' was a contributing factor.

I am not sure as it relates to the Thai Navy, but most probably it won't get him out of the draft. My friend just went through this with his son. The boy grew up in the UK, is "half farang," now lives in Thailand and was drafted.

Looks like it may be best to forget about Thai citizenship for my boy. He's lived in the UK all his life and dual nationality will not be so attractive if he is drafted.

He'll only be drafted if he returns to Thailand to live in a full time capacity BEFORE he is 30, and needs to get an ID card and on the Tabieen Baan. After age of 30, he is unable to be drafted, though he may have to turn up to the draft day so he can be automatically rejected due to his age.

I myself have dual nationality, Thai and Australian. I came here plenty of times before turning 30, staying long periods etc by entering on my Thai PP. There is no link between the military and the passport office, and no military documents are required to apply for a Thai passport.

Only when I turned 30 did I get myself on the house registry and get an ID card. A couple of months later I went to the miltary conscription office in the area I'm registered, 'reported' and got myself exempted. An offical fine for reporting late in such a case ranges from 100 to 400 baht. I got charged 100 as I reported voluntarilty.

here is a recent link on this topic

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/index.php?sh...p;#entry1787279

[Old Man River]

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May not come to it.A friend of mine has a son born and raised in Thailand. His son who is above average intelligence actually wanted to to join the Navy and thus tried to volunteer. The Thai navy would not accept him not giving any real reason, but both he and his father reading between the lines sensed being 'half farang' was a contributing factor.

<br />I am not sure as it relates to the Thai Navy, but most probably it won't get him out of the draft. My friend just went through this with his son. The boy grew up in the UK, is "half farang," now lives in Thailand and was drafted.<br />

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I thought that with a small payment, you could get a person out of military service?

I don't know about the size of the payment, but normally payments or family connections will get the kids out of military service. My comments only related to "half farang's" being drafted. Samran, above, has explained how it all works.

Samran, thanks for the info. Although my kid (a dual) lives here, as long as they don't start drafting girls, she will be safe from all this (at least as it relates to the Thai side).

[coxhoedave]

May not come to it.A friend of mine has a son born and raised in Thailand. His son who is above average intelligence actually wanted to to join the Navy and thus tried to volunteer. The Thai navy would not accept him not giving any real reason, but both he and his father reading between the lines sensed being 'half farang' was a contributing factor.

I am not sure as it relates to the Thai Navy, but most probably it won't get him out of the draft. My friend just went through this with his son. The boy grew up in the UK, is "half farang," now lives in Thailand and was drafted.

Looks like it may be best to forget about Thai citizenship for my boy. He's lived in the UK all his life and dual nationality will not be so attractive if he is drafted.

He'll only be drafted if he returns to Thailand to live in a full time capacity BEFORE he is 30, and needs to get an ID card and on the Tabieen Baan. After age of 30, he is unable to be drafted, though he may have to turn up to the draft day so he can be automatically rejected due to his age.

I myself have dual nationality, Thai and Australian. I came here plenty of times before turning 30, staying long periods etc by entering on my Thai PP. There is no link between the military and the passport office, and no military documents are required to apply for a Thai passport.

Only when I turned 30 did I get myself on the house registry and get an ID card. A couple of months later I went to the miltary conscription office in the area I'm registered, 'reported' and got myself exempted. An offical fine for reporting late in such a case ranges from 100 to 400 baht. I got charged 100 as I reported voluntarilty.

here is a recent link on this topic

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/index.php?sh...p;#entry1787279

Thanks for that Samran, it looks as if a trip to the Thai embassy to start the application may be in order after all.

[astral]

If you attend an ROTC type program if going to school in Thailand you are exempt from the lottery.

yes this is true, like army cadets in UK

When did the UK restart conscription??