PAD Lay Siege On Government House, NBT TV Station

[fuzedcon]

Hitler was democratic elected

this is a commonly believed misconception.

Could you please stop disturbing this discussion by stating facts.

[jfchandler]

Thai broadcast and cable TV news is mostly showing re-reruns of footage from earlier in the day, at NBT and elsewhere... Not much new being shown now...or status on the protests outside...

But there's a live continuing broadcast of the speeches at the demonstration, and occasional English-language news reporting on them, at this web site that is sympathetic to the demonstrators...

http://www.thailandoutlook.tv/

[Plus]

Thai TV as of 9:45 pm still showing a huge crowd of demonstrators outside government house...calmly listening to a speaker.

That's more or less what I saw.

There were also scenes of people climbing the fence and very quiet road blockades. No violence.

[fuzedcon]

Thai broadcast and cable TV news is mostly showing re-reruns of footage from earlier in the day, at NBT and elsewhere... Not much new being shown now...or status on the protests outside...

5 Mintes ago PAD protesters were shown on TV to have improved their barricades with rubber tires and razor wire against a possible police assault.

Other than that it is still quiet.

[timonase]

Hitler was democratic elected

this is a commonly believed misconception.

When the German voters had to decide in the 1932 Presidential election who they wanted to be President, they rejected Hitler and chose Hindenberg as Head of State instead by a huge margin. Hitler gained power by means of manipulating a democratic process - but definitely not through his individual democratic election. The Nazi party never received more than 30 odd per cent of the vote in any election.

5. March 1933 NSDAP 43,9 %, plus 8 % Deutschnationale which was actually considered a bad result for them back in the days. Dont know what this has to do with the thailand topic, but i dont like wrong facts.

sorry

regards

Edited August 26, 2008 by timonase

[LaoPo]

some people say the best time to make money is to buy stocks when there is blood on the street!!!!!and thats what i have done today!!!!!!!! will buy more if the set is down again!!!! IMHO.... great time to buy stocks!!!

The saying is actually a recommendation to buy property. And from my office window above Walking Street, I still gotta say that it's NOT a good idea for a good number of foreigners to do so.

I agree.

It's -by far- not yet the time to buy...anything; no stocks no real estate.

LaoPo

[bulmercke]

Why is it so difficult to convince ordinary people (including TV members) that the the PAD wants nothing more than honest and fair politicians who genuinely have the Thai people's interests best at heart.

Maybe because today the whole day on Thai TV is was clear to see how hooded PAD thugs have threatened people with their metal bars and sticks, several people were seen having beaten up by those thugs as well.

What about the anti-PAD thugs who indiscriminately attacked innocent - peaceful and law-abidding protesters in Udon Thani a couple of weeks ago?

So, please, you PAD supporters, finally stop your verbal diarrhea, and finally accept what is shown on TV, and everywhere to read - that PAD is a semi-fascist organization that uses violence as one of their tools to press a completely undemocratic agenda.

At least, stop pretending that you people support democracy - if you support PAD - you either are thick as shit, or you are supporters of a semi-fascist system of government.

Why are you posting on TV with commentary so biased and uninformed?

After today there is no pretense possible anymore - the government may be lousy, but PAD is completely outside anything resembling democracy.

So, you have thugs that support the government, and the PAD are a bunch of thugs as well. Disliking one does not mean that you have to support the other.

Uninformed?

What about PAD agenda? Do you support "new politics"? Do you support risking war over Preah Vihear? Becaue that is PAD agenda, and if you do support this, then by definition you are a undemocratic warmonger.

Sorry to be so blunt.

The PAD only resorted to strong arm tactics today - there was absolutley no violence - just a little pushing - shoving and roughing up - nothing like the ungratutious violence that occured in Udon Thani few weeks ago against ordinary PAD supporters.

The PAD's agenda is short and simple - to rid Thailand of corrupt - self-serving - and autocratic prime-ministers and their cohorts who eye the trough hungrily every time they get the slightest opportunity to enrich themselves.

If you want to wake up tomorrow with these thieves still at the helm then that's your take on things -

Me - I personally respect these brave PAD individuals for their temerity and courage -

[Bangyai]

Has anyone considered that there are both (naive) Chula graduates and rice farmers in the PAD crowd? Why does everything always have to be one or the other?

There is no democracy or freedom to protest in Thailand. There is no people's voice, only the illusion of it.

These people are being allowed to do what they are doing because there are powerful people at the end of their leash.

Comically, in the minds of the protesters they are thinking 'I am making a difference', when all they are doing is getting moved from place to place like a pawn on the chess board.

<<<<Samak is not the PM in less than 7 days.>>>>

Right again...good post.

[fuzedcon]

The PAD only resorted to strong arm tactics today - there was absolutley no violence - just a little pushing - shoving and roughing up - nothing like the ungratutious violence that occured in Udon Thani few weeks ago against ordinary PAD supporters.

The PAD's agenda is short and simple - to rid Thailand of corrupt - self-serving - and autocratic prime-ministers and their cohorts who eye the trough hungrily every time they get the slightest opportunity to enrich themselves.

If you want to wake up tomorrow with these thieves still at the helm then that's your take on things -

Me - I personally respect these brave PAD individuals for their temerity and courage -

Not just today - they have paraded their weapons many times. Not beaten up anybody? The journalist doesn't count then? And it ain't over yet...

And very convenient for you to simplfy their agenda to "getting rid of corrupt politicians", while evading the "new politics" and Preah Vihar issue, which is their not so democratic and peaceful means of achieving their goal. Again - what is your view on those?

I prefer to wake up with an elected lousy government that will either collapse or be one day removed by elections than waking up with a Thai version of Mussolini.

[Sunderland]

Thai broadcast and cable TV news is mostly showing re-reruns of footage from earlier in the day, at NBT and elsewhere... Not much new being shown now...or status on the protests outside...

But there's a live continuing broadcast of the speeches at the demonstration, and occasional English-language news reporting on them, at this web site that is sympathetic to the demonstrators...

http://www.thailandoutlook.tv/

It's getting late. Everyone's settling down for the night. The protesters will be strumming guitars and singing their favourite karaoke songs. Lao kao will be flowing. The police will go off to their karaoke cafes for a few beers and some food. They'll all be back in action tomorrow. Life goes on ....

A little off topic, but Paddy Power are now offering odds of 7-4 on foreigners in Thailand killing each other before the Thais start on each other.

Edited August 26, 2008 by Sunderland

[geovalin]

The PAD scum are showing themselves to be the right-wing ultra-nationalist goons that they have always been. Nothing new here!

I find your remarks highly offensive. My wife and her sister are active supporters of the PAD.

Too bad!

Anyway no need to be ashamed, when someone is right-wing ultra-nationalist he's right-wing ultra-nationalist. He's allowed to be right-wing ultra-nationalist.

Now, if you are not right-wing ultra-nationalist, let's think twice. PAD = war and you know that as well as us.

yes right wing, and all the ex-communist support it????? Thats propaganda. Samak is right wing.

Samak is only right-wing not right-wing ultra-nationalist.

PAD wants the war with Cambodia, Samak not, this is a very BIG difference.

[animatic]

Why is it so difficult to convince ordinary people (including TV members) that the the PAD wants nothing more than honest and fair politicians who genuinely have the Thai people's interests best at heart.

Maybe because today the whole day on Thai TV is was clear to see how

hooded PAD thugs have threatened people with their metal bars and sticks,

several people were seen having beaten up by those thugs as well.

So why then was ONLY ONE LOCATION the TV station

done with masks and iron bars and other weapons?

Yet the government house take over had NONE OF THAT?

Yet the finance ministry had none of that,

the other locations had NO WEAPONS.

I bet it was because they were NOT PAD.

There were some PAD members present as previously announced,

but the actual storming violent mob was plants to embarrass PAD

and do it on the world stage.

PAD is still in the other locations including government house.

Why did the police so easily arrest the 'masked armed PAD attackers'

only one hour after the take over? Propaganda value.

And easily take them a way, where we never hear from them.

Propaganda value again.

Pretty simple they weren't PAD it was a set up to discredit them,

with a few PAD small fish thrown in to be released publiclly.

It actually is a pretty smart propaganda strategy.

Discredit PAD early in the day and then do a big PR push

'PAD are violent fascists out to destroy Thailand yada yada yada.

And a few people here seem to be spouting chapter and verse JUST this line.

Attempting to convince the farangs to spread the word about how bad PAD is.

Only takes a few instigators in a crowd to brand the WHOLE crowd.

I think this TV station take over smells of entrapment big time.

TELL B.S. LONG AND LOUD ENOUGH AND B.S. BECOMES THE TRUTH.

Kuhn Thaksin knew this one well.

[Bangyai]

The PAD only resorted to strong arm tactics today - there was absolutley no violence - just a little pushing - shoving and roughing up - nothing like the ungratutious violence that occured in Udon Thani few weeks ago against ordinary PAD supporters.

The PAD's agenda is short and simple - to rid Thailand of corrupt - self-serving - and autocratic prime-ministers and their cohorts who eye the trough hungrily every time they get the slightest opportunity to enrich themselves.

If you want to wake up tomorrow with these thieves still at the helm then that's your take on things -

Me - I personally respect these brave PAD individuals for their temerity and courage -

Not just today - they have paraded their weapons many times. Not beaten up anybody? The journalist doesn't count then? And it ain't over yet...

And very convenient for you to simplfy their agenda to "getting rid of corrupt politicians", while evading the "new politics" and Preah Vihar issue, which is their not so democratic and peaceful means of achieving their goal. Again - what is your view on those?

I prefer to wake up with an elected lousy government that will either collapse or be one day removed by elections than waking up with a Thai version of Mussolini.

Me too. Better half a loaf than no bread. I think it was Thomas Jefferson who said :

" Democracy is two wolves and a sheep sitting down to discuss whats for dinner "

[fuzedcon]

I bet it was because they were NOT PAD.

Well, if it helps you to convince yourself that you support a bunch of fascists...

Anyhow - the sticks and all that are clearly to be seen, and have been so since nearly a month, just go down there and have a look yourself. But that might destroy your frame of reference...

[opalhort]

I have no idea if it has been mentioned before (didn't bother reading all 17 pages) but you can get frequent updates in English at ASTV (ASTV1 and TOC)

opalhort

[fuzedcon]

I have no idea if it has been mentioned before (didn't bother reading all 17 pages) but you can get frequent updates in English at ASTV (ASTV1 and TOC)

opalhort

That's where you get free propaganda.

[WISteve]

They do all seem like 9-5 revolutionaries don't they?

"No coup today? Oh well, maybe we'll be up for one tomorrow. Now where's my dinner?"

Amazing Thailand.

~WISteve

[Thai at Heart]

Why is it so difficult to convince ordinary people (including TV members) that the the PAD wants nothing more than honest and fair politicians who genuinely have the Thai people's interests best at heart.

Maybe because today the whole day on Thai TV is was clear to see how

hooded PAD thugs have threatened people with their metal bars and sticks,

several people were seen having beaten up by those thugs as well.

So why then was ONLY ONE LOCATION the TV station

done with masks and iron bars and other weapons?

Yet the government house take over had NONE OF THAT?

Yet the finance ministry had none of that,

the other locations had NO WEAPONS.

I bet it was because they were NOT PAD.

There were some PAD members present as previously announced,

but the actual storming violent mob was plants to embarrass PAD

and do it on the world stage.

PAD is still in the other locations including government house.

Why did the police so easily arrest the 'masked armed PAD attackers'

only one hour after the take over? Propaganda value.

And easily take them a way, where we never hear from them.

Propaganda value again.

Pretty simple they weren't PAD it was a set up to discredit them,

with a few PAD small fish thrown in to be released publiclly.

It actually is a pretty smart propaganda strategy.

Discredit PAD early in the day and then do a big PR push

'PAD are violent fascists out to destroy Thailand yada yada yada.

And a few people here seem to be spouting chapter and verse JUST this line.

Attempting to convince the farangs to spread the word about how bad PAD is.

Only takes a few instigators in a crowd to brand the WHOLE crowd.

I think this TV station take over smells of entrapment big time.

TELL B.S. LONG AND LOUD ENOUGH AND B.S. BECOMES THE TRUTH.

Kuhn Thaksin knew this one well.

"PAD are violent fascists out to destroy Thailand yada yada yada."

Well you said it.

I don't think they believe they are destroying anything but how wrong they are. They may well end up railroading Thailand back 50 years.

If the cabinet left tonight, what would Thailand get out of it? The country would be in chaos, military would have to step in for the umpteenth time, and what? Sondhi for PM? And what an angel he is. It isn't enough for the PAD to remove something, they need to have a practical solution also.

I would love to interview all 30,000 of them on their opinions, but the PAD voice we are hearing loudest is of course Sondhi with his TV station. He is speaking on behalf of these people whether they like it or not. dam_n elections pesky things, they sometimes produce the result a few don't like, but if anyone in Thailand believes they truly want to live in the system that Sondhi suggests, they should beware of wolves in sheeps clothing.

[thaigene2]

What a bunch of worthless thugs. God, they remind me of football hooligans.

Well at least they are trying which is more than you are doing you can't blame people are tired of the country being run by a bunch of Hoodlums and Thieves.

And what is it they are 'trying' to do? To spark an incident that will invite a military dictatorship? To establish once and for all that the governing of this country is determined, not in the ballot box, but on the streets? To disenfranchise the poor majority in the country? To ensure the primacy of the highly corrupt and inbred civil service? Not all protests, Captain Canada, are for noble causes despite their press releases.

Sadly, Mr. Canada, the rest of the world - and thailand in particular - doesn't care what the masses think or say. That, my friend, is what you are witnessing. And it's why you, and I, and everyone else from Canada or any other Western country who's parents/grandparents fought and died to protect our system of one-person-one-vote needs to sit up and speak out. Shame on those who don't. Really - f+ck the rest of them..they should be well and truly ashamed - given the blood spilled by their descendants who died protecting these values. We've always been aware that the rich made 'us' fight the wars. But our fathers/uncles etc did so because we believed in the cause.

And that cause was one-person-one-vote.

Time to take stock on what is unfolding here - and think about that. Especially for those of us with children born here.

[jfchandler]

Actually, I've been monitoring the online Thailand Outlook Channel and their coverage for most of the day...

And while they're certainly sympathetic to PAD, their coverage and reporting has actually been pretty good and accurate...especially compared to the rest of Thai television and the two English language newspapers.

At one point, their evening anchors were skeptically pressing a guest about what justisfied the takeover of NBT. The guest ended up responding that part was probably the one big mistake and problem of PAD from the day.

They also did a good job of summarizing Samak's 6 pm news conference with the foreign media and the subsequent remarks by PAD's leaders, and then the standoff as it went into the evening.

It may be "propaganda"...but no less so than most of what else passes for journalism here.

[kurtgruen]

The PAD people I have met in my travels where not professional Protesters. For example, my wife and I stopped at a big, well to do roadside restaurant, where both the owner and the workers where all fired up about the Pad rally they went to attend in Bangkok.

Someone earlier in the forum drew comparisons to both socialist rallies and also to Hitler....I was thinking more along the lines of Ghandi, when I seen the non-violent protests all day. (and I truly believe that they will remain non-violent, at least until a setup or extreme provocation. I believe this, because it's 10:30pm now and PAD managed to take over Government buildings and Ministries without using violence)

Speaking of watching it all day, a few people asked for a live link...this one works for me..

http://wwitv.com/portal.htm?http://wwitv.c...nnels/b2973.htm

If all this leads to a peaceful change in government, all the power to them

[animatic]

I bet it was because they were NOT PAD.

Well, if it helps you to convince yourself that you support a bunch of fascists...

Anyhow - the sticks and all that are clearly to be seen, and have been so since nearly a month,

just go down there and have a look yourself. But that might destroy your frame of reference...

I am not per se a 'PAD supporter'.

I am not a fan of the incompetant current cabinet.

But I MUST question your obvious bias in insisting that they are being violent,

when only 2 incidents, glaring in their insularity, have occured all day.

One influential TV reporter, known to be sympathetic to PAD

was 'punched in a crowd'. Best way to make him turn away.

As easily a ringer or 3 in the crowd to cause trouble.

Yet he was rescued by PAD guards...

HUH If these were the PAD attackmen,

Why were they HELPING save him...

Sorry No SALE! B.S> Meter on full ring.

Same for the TV station. PAD has been telegraphing it's blows

and so it was easy to plan some perfect dis-information about them.

This dissinformation AKA propaganda goes completely counter

to all the observed history of them. These are talkers not fighters.

Maybe defensively armed, but would you not be after the Chaing Mai attacks.

Possibly, nay probably, THOSE attacks were designed to make PAD look more martial;

defensive can no be made to look as offensive.

Yes they armed with sticks in the last month in case of attack since...

THEY RECENTLY WERE PHYSICALLY ATTACKED.... about a month ago.

Coincidence... me thinks not.

They use civil disobediance like sit ins and build occupations.

Not so much unlike Mohatma Ghandi.

Violence also swirled around him for a time, but HIS followers

rarely incited any of it.

So how's the pay in Hong Kong at your PR company web job?

Oh and to edit for another comment.

Losing the current cabinet and PM does not bring the country crashing down.,

This happens in England and other parlamentary governments from time to time.

A Caretaker government comes in for a spell

and either a new coalition forms or an new election is called.

But they have thrown the bums out and await new bums.

If none can be choosen a new election.

But the army need not come if just because Samak and his Cabinet must quit.

2 branches of the government still exist normally Legislative and Judiciary,

only the executive is taking a time out for refurbushing.

Edited August 26, 2008 by animatic

[who]

Important to note that the PAD themselves aren't a unified body, there are plenty of factions within that don't necessarily take part in all PAD activities. I have relatives that are both PAD and the anti-matter of PAD. Some are under-employed, some are retired (both of the not well to do gov't and well to do private sector variety), some are still working (again, all different occupations, from tiny shop restaurant owner to SME owner). Like politics anywhere, there are all kinds of interests involved, it's hardly a black and white issue.

Just as an example: one particular gal I know (not a friend, just a loose aquaintence) runs the local underground lottery at the local open air market. Turnover in the range of 3-4 million Baht per drawing (bi-monthly). She is avidly pro-PAD (and regularly sponsors minivan full loads of supporters up to Bangkok from Chonburi) because of course if the PPP get their 2-3 digit lottery up and running again, it bites into sales... also, the PPP lottery inherently comes with increased police enforcement/suppression of the underground lottery.

On the converse, another fellow I am acquainted with in Bangkok is with Loxley Info. (the old ISP/IT services provider company which may as well be called Lamsam Info...ala Kasikorn Bank) and is avidly anti-PAD. His interest is the opposite of the open market lotto gal mentioned earlier because wouldn't you know it, Loxley is the concession holder to produce the machines that run the new PPP lottery. And who do you think had first 'dibs' in signing up for these lotto scanning/selling machines? Loxley insiders, this particular gentleman included, who purchased 4 of them.... priceless if placed in key locations (say if you own a few prime location 7-11 franchises... ala lotto sales in the west). Worthless though if the PPP is out.

And this is just one example of one facet of the whole political struggle going on. And as you can see, neither side (as far as these two individuals concerned) could give two bits as to what the outcome is in terms of the "greater good of the poor/keeping the poor down" "Thaksin being brought to justice/brining Thaksin back to power" or the "fight for democracy."

Hello Heng - could you explain what or who is: "Lamsam Info...ala Kasikorn Bank" and what does "to SME owner" mean.

I apologize for not being one of the "in" group to which all these abreviations and symbols are meaningful.

Thanks

Edited August 26, 2008 by who

[thaigene2]

I have no idea if it has been mentioned before (didn't bother reading all 17 pages) but you can get frequent updates in English at ASTV (ASTV1 and TOC)

opalhort

Maybe you should read the 17 pages instead of wearing your special shirt - and watching your brainwashing tv programme?

[animatic]

Why is it so difficult to convince ordinary people (including TV members) that the the PAD wants nothing more than honest and fair politicians who genuinely have the Thai people's interests best at heart.

Maybe because today the whole day on Thai TV is was clear to see how

hooded PAD thugs have threatened people with their metal bars and sticks,

several people were seen having beaten up by those thugs as well.

So why then was ONLY ONE LOCATION the TV station

done with masks and iron bars and other weapons?

Yet the government house take over had NONE OF THAT?

Yet the finance ministry had none of that,

the other locations had NO WEAPONS.

I bet it was because they were NOT PAD.

There were some PAD members present as previously announced,

but the actual storming violent mob was plants to embarrass PAD

and do it on the world stage.

PAD is still in the other locations including government house.

Why did the police so easily arrest the 'masked armed PAD attackers'

only one hour after the take over? Propaganda value.

And easily take them a way, where we never hear from them.

Propaganda value again.

Pretty simple they weren't PAD it was a set up to discredit them,

with a few PAD small fish thrown in to be released publiclly.

It actually is a pretty smart propaganda strategy.

Discredit PAD early in the day and then do a big PR push

'PAD are violent fascists out to destroy Thailand yada yada yada.

And a few people here seem to be spouting chapter and verse JUST this line.

Attempting to convince the farangs to spread the word about how bad PAD is.

Only takes a few instigators in a crowd to brand the WHOLE crowd.

I think this TV station take over smells of entrapment big time.

TELL B.S. LONG AND LOUD ENOUGH AND B.S. BECOMES THE TRUTH.

Kuhn Thaksin knew this one well.

"PAD are violent fascists out to destroy Thailand yada yada yada."

Well you said it.

Nice try. NO I DID NOT SAY THAT as you quoted me.

you need to use ... before to show you edited out something.

instead of taking it out of context and making it seem that's what I said.

You work for Karl Rove, hhhmm??

I ACTUALLY said

It actually is a pretty smart propaganda strategy.

Discredit PAD early in the day and then do a big PR push

'PAD are violent fascists out to destroy Thailand yada yada yada.

It is a comment on propaganda and manipulation of the Thai people.

And us it seems too.

I won't allow you to twist my words for your mean ends.

Edited August 26, 2008 by animatic

[thaigene2]

Important to note that the PAD themselves aren't a unified body, there are plenty of factions within that don't necessarily take part in all PAD activities. I have relatives that are both PAD and the anti-matter of PAD. Some are under-employed, some are retired (both of the not well to do gov't and well to do private sector variety), some are still working (again, all different occupations, from tiny shop restaurant owner to SME owner). Like politics anywhere, there are all kinds of interests involved, it's hardly a black and white issue.

Just as an example: one particular gal I know (not a friend, just a loose aquaintence) runs the local underground lottery at the local open air market. Turnover in the range of 3-4 million Baht per drawing (bi-monthly). She is avidly pro-PAD (and regularly sponsors minivan full loads of supporters up to Bangkok from Chonburi) because of course if the PPP get their 2-3 digit lottery up and running again, it bites into sales... also, the PPP lottery inherently comes with increased police enforcement/suppression of the underground lottery.

On the converse, another fellow I am acquainted with in Bangkok is with Loxley Info. (the old ISP/IT services provider company which may as well be called Lamsam Info...ala Kasikorn Bank) and is avidly anti-PAD. His interest is the opposite of the open market lotto gal mentioned earlier because wouldn't you know it, Loxley is the concession holder to produce the machines that run the new PPP lottery. And who do you think had first 'dibs' in signing up for these lotto scanning/selling machines? Loxley insiders, this particular gentleman included, who purchased 4 of them.... priceless if placed in key locations (say if you own a few prime location 7-11 franchises... ala lotto sales in the west). Worthless though if the PPP is out.

And this is just one example of one facet of the whole political struggle going on. And as you can see, neither side (as far as these two individuals concerned) could give two bits as to what the outcome is in terms of the "greater good of the poor/keeping the poor down" "Thaksin being brought to justice/brining Thaksin back to power" or the "fight for democracy."

You know Heng, you just made my point exactly. These are the people out there on the ground that are being manipulated by others or out of their own self-interest and greed. How many of these 'business' people care about 30 baht health or improved public education? Nada. Thanks for making my point! These sleezy people represent NO ONE but themselves!

[Thai at Heart]

Why is it so difficult to convince ordinary people (including TV members) that the the PAD wants nothing more than honest and fair politicians who genuinely have the Thai people's interests best at heart.

Maybe because today the whole day on Thai TV is was clear to see how

hooded PAD thugs have threatened people with their metal bars and sticks,

several people were seen having beaten up by those thugs as well.

So why then was ONLY ONE LOCATION the TV station

done with masks and iron bars and other weapons?

Yet the government house take over had NONE OF THAT?

Yet the finance ministry had none of that,

the other locations had NO WEAPONS.

I bet it was because they were NOT PAD.

There were some PAD members present as previously announced,

but the actual storming violent mob was plants to embarrass PAD

and do it on the world stage.

PAD is still in the other locations including government house.

Why did the police so easily arrest the 'masked armed PAD attackers'

only one hour after the take over? Propaganda value.

And easily take them a way, where we never hear from them.

Propaganda value again.

Pretty simple they weren't PAD it was a set up to discredit them,

with a few PAD small fish thrown in to be released publiclly.

It actually is a pretty smart propaganda strategy.

Discredit PAD early in the day and then do a big PR push

'PAD are violent fascists out to destroy Thailand yada yada yada.

And a few people here seem to be spouting chapter and verse JUST this line.

Attempting to convince the farangs to spread the word about how bad PAD is.

Only takes a few instigators in a crowd to brand the WHOLE crowd.

I think this TV station take over smells of entrapment big time.

TELL B.S. LONG AND LOUD ENOUGH AND B.S. BECOMES THE TRUTH.

Kuhn Thaksin knew this one well.

"PAD are violent fascists out to destroy Thailand yada yada yada."

Well you said it.

Nice try. NO I DID NOT SAY THAT as you quoted me.

you need to use ... before to show you edited out something.

Takeing it out of context and making it seem that's what I said.

You work for Karl Rove??

I ACTUALLY said

It actually is a pretty smart propaganda strategy.

Discredit PAD early in the day and then do a big PR push

'PAD are violent fascists out to destroy Thailand yada yada yada.

It is a comment on propaganda and manipulation of the Thai people.

And us it seems too.

I won't allow you to twist my words for your mean ends.

If offence taken, apologies, I didn't see anyone else writing that exact phrase in the blog except you.

[Meerkat]

A good article about more of what might lie behind today's events from the Asia Times Online here, and some extra deconstruction of the article on Bangkok Pundit's site.

[opalhort]

I have no idea if it has been mentioned before (didn't bother reading all 17 pages) but you can get frequent updates in English at ASTV (ASTV1 and TOC)

opalhort

Maybe you should read the 17 pages instead of wearing your special shirt - and watching your brainwashing tv programme?

Thanks for your advise.

I only mentioned ASTV as an alternative to other local TV stations because they have frequent updates in English. Of course ASTV / TOC is heavily pro PAD but if you watch a typical Thai tv station and ASTV, add all the info together and filter it, then anybody with some common sense can figure out the truth or at least something close to the truth.

opalhort

[percy2]

Who know's who is behind PAD

Who knows who is behind PPP

I'will deal with whatever whenever.

Cheers