Oz Citizenship By Descent

[russfair]

Hello,

Im going to head down to BKK to register our newborn son as an aussie and get my clearance to marry so we can start on the spouse visa.

One question though. • If one of the parents is NOT an Australian citizen they must provide certified true copy of whole passport including movement stamps for the period including 12 months prior to the birth of the child.

My GF does not have a passport and has not left Thailand. What other evidence could we use to establish where she was during this period or will just not having a passport be enough.

Thanks for any info

Russ

[russfair]

Any ideas anyone? So she has no passport. does this prove she where she was at the time or is there some other official proof we need to supply

I want to go down there this week and don't want it to be a wasted trip.

Thanks

Hello,

Im going to head down to BKK to register our newborn son as an aussie and get my clearance to marry so we can start on the spouse visa.

One question though. • If one of the parents is NOT an Australian citizen they must provide certified true copy of whole passport including movement stamps for the period including 12 months prior to the birth of the child.

My GF does not have a passport and has not left Thailand. What other evidence could we use to establish where she was during this period or will just not having a passport be enough.

Thanks for any info

Russ

[anthonyu]

How about trying to call the embassy first to find out what you need?

02 344 6300

[think_too_mut]

Hello,

Im going to head down to BKK to register our newborn son as an aussie and get my clearance to marry so we can start on the spouse visa.

One question though. • If one of the parents is NOT an Australian citizen they must provide certified true copy of whole passport including movement stamps for the period including 12 months prior to the birth of the child.

My GF does not have a passport and has not left Thailand. What other evidence could we use to establish where she was during this period or will just not having a passport be enough.

Thanks for any info

Russ

Why not go and get her a passport, rather than face this unclear situation?

Oz don't insist that everyone must had have a passport and had traveled before, but if a blank new passport is presented that clears many suspicions.

Or she has a problem with that? Never registered and non-existing hill tribe girl? That's exactly what holding a passport would clear.

And, how would you go for the spouse visa by insisting she has had no passport?

[russfair]

We are planning to get married in the next two weeks then she can get a passport with new name in it.

I need to do the trip to Bkk to get the clearance to get married anyway. Was just hoping to do the two things in the one trip.

Hello,

Im going to head down to BKK to register our newborn son as an aussie and get my clearance to marry so we can start on the spouse visa.

One question though. • If one of the parents is NOT an Australian citizen they must provide certified true copy of whole passport including movement stamps for the period including 12 months prior to the birth of the child.

My GF does not have a passport and has not left Thailand. What other evidence could we use to establish where she was during this period or will just not having a passport be enough.

Thanks for any info

Russ

Why not go and get her a passport, rather than face this unclear situation?

Oz don't insist that everyone must had have a passport and had traveled before, but if a blank new passport is presented that clears many suspicions.

Or she has a problem with that? Never registered and non-existing hill tribe girl? That's exactly what holding a passport would clear.

And, how would you go for the spouse visa by insisting she has had no passport?

[think_too_mut]

We are planning to get married in the next two weeks then she can get a passport with new name in it.

If so urgent, she can keep her name, after her passport is issued, as my wife did.

hel_l lot of easier for everything. Whatever you try, everybody ask for the marriage certificate if her name has changed.

[russfair]

Yeah that could be the easier way to go. But Im still not sure if they will look at a newly issued passport as the evidence of where she was 12months ago.

[think_too_mut]

Yeah that could be the easier way to go. But Im still not sure if they will look at a newly issued passport as the evidence of where she was 12months ago.

She was in Thailand not in Dubai or somewhere.

They will ask for her old passport, you just say this is her first one, ever.

If they have any doubts they may check with Thai authorities if it is indeed her first passport. That may add a week or 2 to the process.

[russfair]

Can they not then just check if she has ever held a passport?

[think_too_mut]

Can they not then just check if she has ever held a passport?

Just consider this practice, I know Canada does that sometimes: for any visa or anything - go to Singapore and get it there. It will wait, ready, just go and get it. If a Thai person can go out of Thai and come back - tons of suspicions are dispersed.

Now, you are asking Oz to check if she has had no passport.

I don't understand why is it so hard to get her a passport. That is more important than your limit of stay or trip delay. Get you plans around the passport, she must have it anyway.

Quite frankly, further insisting on it's somebody else's problem that she has no passport may just reek of baby trafficking and make it even more suspicious.

Already you are in for a high jump - you are not (yet) married when you go to Oz embassy to apply for Oz citizenship of your child.

[russfair]

And..The translation of his birth certificate. Is there any preferred office or can I use Prachoom Wittaya School in Udon to do it before I go to Bkk.

[think_too_mut]

And..The translation of his birth certificate. Is there any preferred office or can I use Prachoom Wittaya School in Udon to do it before I go to Bkk.

You can use anyone - even village chief - as long as MFA certifies and seals the translation.

But it's matter of hours if a person from an agency brings the translations. Doing that for years many times a day, they have developed their own path and don't queue for long.

[russfair]

Yeah I can see that. I guess we can go and get the passport organised for her but Im thinking I will still need to go to Bkk this week to get the clearance so we can get married.

Guess I just want to get things moving along and had hoped we could get the citizenship organised on this trip. I suppose I can always post it when she receives passport.

Thanks think_too_mutt

[russfair]

Just been reading a few other threads and it seems that the general consensus is for our thai wives to be to keep their maiden names when we get married.

Am I reading this right? does it make things easier for any dealings we/she has in Thailand.

Im not bothered either way and if it makes our lives any easier well all the better.

[think_too_mut]

Yeah I can see that. I guess we can go and get the passport organised for her but Im thinking I will still need to go to Bkk this week to get the clearance so we can get married.

Guess I just want to get things moving along and had hoped we could get the citizenship organised on this trip. I suppose I can always post it when she receives passport.

Thanks think_too_mutt

One more thing you want to know: if you go to an agency, they can marry you in 24 hours, may cost you (with all translations) 18,000B.

They have that clearance form (Free to Marry....you will have to state your income in there too, they translate into THB)...once you stamp it in Oz Embassy, they will translate it and certify the same day (your passport too) and next day before lunch you will be walking with marriage certificates (that they will translate them same day) and the day after you have everything you need to apply for citizenship of your baby.

If only that blank passport was already there, it would have been a 100$ success in 3 days. From zero (unrelated people) to full legal marriage and baby Oz citizenship (issued comes 2-3 weeks after you apply)

[russfair]

So best we head out to get that passport in the morning then. Been looking and as far as I can tell there is an office in Khon Kaen where we can get the passport.

Dont know about doing the agency thing in Bkk though, would probably like to have her family come along.

[wokkawombat]

Passports are now issued at City Hall in Udon Thani.

John

[vinny]

Just been reading a few other threads and it seems that the general consensus is for our thai wives to be to keep their maiden names when we get married.

Am I reading this right? does it make things easier for any dealings we/she has in Thailand.

Im not bothered either way and if it makes our lives any easier well all the better.

Yes. She may also now keep her title.

[seadoo]

Hello,

Im going to head down to BKK to register our newborn son as an aussie and get my clearance to marry so we can start on the spouse visa.

One question though. • If one of the parents is NOT an Australian citizen they must provide certified true copy of whole passport including movement stamps for the period including 12 months prior to the birth of the child.

My GF does not have a passport and has not left Thailand. What other evidence could we use to establish where she was during this period or will just not having a passport be enough.

Thanks for any info

Russ

Never heard of the passport requirement.

My wife and I are Aussie's and our daughter was born in Bangkok, we had to go through the same process as anyone - even though we are Aussies.

You need to provide a copy of the Thai Birth Certificate - this should have your name on it and then have it translated - the hospital will then certify both copies and the registrar for the hospital will stamp and sign the back of both copies.

You take this along with your proof of Australian Citzenship plus proof of identity for your wife (in her case her id card) she may have to pass the 100 point test for proof of indentity, plus the completed application forms and wait for it to come back from Canberra.

In our case we had to (1) organise her citzenship (2) then we could apply for her passport

In our daughters case, until she was naturalised, she actually didn't belong to any country - bit scary, as the Hospital immediately stamped her birth cert "Does not acquire Thai nationality"

A bit unfair if you ask me, becuase if a Thai couple have their child in Aust, the child is automatically granted Aust citzenship - again, typical one-way street of all things fair.

Anyway, good luck.

[BEENTHEREDONETHAT]

Regarding a year ago. If she was working at that time you could ask her employer for a letter stating she was there and working. Translate it to english and seems like it should be acceptable. Might check with the embassy to see if they concur.

Good Luck!

[dr_Pat_Pong]

Hello,

Im going to head down to BKK to register our newborn son as an aussie and get my clearance to marry so we can start on the spouse visa.

One question though. • If one of the parents is NOT an Australian citizen they must provide certified true copy of whole passport including movement stamps for the period including 12 months prior to the birth of the child.

My GF does not have a passport and has not left Thailand. What other evidence could we use to establish where she was during this period or will just not having a passport be enough.

Thanks for any info

Russ

Never heard of the passport requirement.

My wife and I are Aussie's and our daughter was born in Bangkok, we had to go through the same process as anyone - even though we are Aussies.

You need to provide a copy of the Thai Birth Certificate - this should have your name on it and then have it translated - the hospital will then certify both copies and the registrar for the hospital will stamp and sign the back of both copies.

You take this along with your proof of Australian Citzenship plus proof of identity for your wife (in her case her id card) she may have to pass the 100 point test for proof of indentity, plus the completed application forms and wait for it to come back from Canberra.

In our case we had to (1) organise her citzenship (2) then we could apply for her passport

In our daughters case, until she was naturalised, she actually didn't belong to any country - bit scary, as the Hospital immediately stamped her birth cert "Does not acquire Thai nationality"

A bit unfair if you ask me, becuase if a Thai couple have their child in Aust, the child is automatically granted Aust citzenship - again, typical one-way street of all things fair.

Anyway, good luck.

If a Thai couple have a chid in Australia, it does NOT have Australian citizenship at birth.

[harrry]

If a Thai couple have a chid in Australia, it does NOT have Australian citizenship at birth.

That is not quite correct. THe child does not have citizenship until his/her birth is REGISTERED at an Australian mission overseas however the citizenship is from birth.

I believe that if your wife is thai your daughter should aquire Thai citizenship at birth and the birth certificate should not have been stamped not entitled to thai citizenship as may possibly only apply if both parents were foreign.

It is important to fix that up as later you may have trouble as I have had at times with my daughter in similar regard. Also keep the certificate of registration safe as by law stupidly the Australian Government cannot supply a copy. I had to go through the Ombudsman to the Minister to get a replacement for my daughters paper.

[harrry]

Whether you are an Australian citizen by birth depends on the date of your birth.

People born in Australia on or after 20 August 1986 become Australian citizens by birth if at least one parent is an Australian citizen or a permanent resident at the time of the person’s birth.

A child born in Australia to parents who are not permanent residents or Australian citizens acquires Australian citizenship automatically on his or her 10th birthday provided the child is ordinarily resident in Australia. Children born in Australia to foreign diplomats do not acquire Australian citizenship.

People born in Australia before 20 August 1986 became Australian citizens by birth unless one parent was entitled to diplomatic privileges and immunities or was a consular officer of a foreign country.

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THought I had better post this to clarify.

[harrry]

A person born outside Australia who is the biological child of an Australian citizen can apply for registration for Australian citizenship by descent with the Department of Immigration and Citizenship (DIAC).

Australians whose child is born overseas while travelling should contact the nearest Australian embassy, high commission or consulate for information regarding how to lodge an application for registration of Australian citizenship by descent. Contact details for Australian missions abroad can be found at www.dfat.gov.au/missions/ and in Travel Smart: hints for Australian travellers booklet. This booklet is issued with your passport. To obtain and/or download a copy go to: smartraveller.gov.au/hints/index.html.

Further information regarding Australian citizenship can be found on DIAC’s website: www.citizenship.gov.au or on their Citizenship Information Line on 131 880.

THe indication of this is they want to show that you and your wife were together at the appropriate time. THey would need documentation of this or possibly if this is hard to get you may ask for DNA testing.

Hope things work out. The Australian Government and Embassy (Despite a few helpful people ) can be much worse to deal with than Thai immigration which can have a very human aproach at times if the situation warrents it.