Phone Cards

[dee_jai_maak_maak]

Hello all,

I would be grateful if someone could clarify the use of international phone cards as proof of contact between myself and my Thai gf.

I will be applying for a tourist visa for my gf in a couple of months, and I have started saving my phone cards as proof that we communicate regularly (we actually speak every day). But how do these cards actually prove that I have called her? I usually call from work because it is a more convenient time of day to call (and it's always better to use my employer's time than my own ). So, as far as I can tell, there is no record of my calls, just the fact that I buy phone cards.

I also use my mobile to call her, but obviously I use this method less often because it is so expensive, but at least there is a record of my calls to her number.

So how does this all work?

Thanks in advance,

djmm

[BadboyBrown]

Send them as much evidence as you can, they may laugh could have picked them up from the ground around Euston Station but the more info the better

[kenk3z]

I did include phone card receipts in my fiancee visa application, but they were just printouts of E-Mail receipts from "virtual" cards bought on-line. They did happen to come from "ThaiConnector.COM" and had names like "Rama Call Home" etc. etc.

But this is only part of the evidence you should submit. Most important would probably be pictures of the two of you together in Thailand to show that you have actually met. Plane ticket receipts, hotel receipts and the like are important too. E-Mail messages across the span of time that you have known each other. Letters if possible.

Phone calls are the easiest and most effective ways to maintain a relationship, and at the same time the hardest to prove if you use phone cards.

Fortunately you only need a few examples of each type of proof - so make sure she does send you a few E-Mails and a letter or two.

kenk3z

[dee_jai_maak_maak]

Plane ticket receipts, hotel receipts and the like are important too.  E-Mail messages across the span of time that you have known each other.  Letters if possible.

Fortunately you only need a few examples of each type of proof - so make sure she does send you a few E-Mails and a letter or two. 

kenk3z

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Thanks kenk3z (and BadboyBrown) for the info,

I've got photos, emails, etc.

I'm not sure if I still have all my plane ticket receipts, but I do have the entry/exit stamps in my passport. Will that suffice to prove I have been travelling to see her?

djmm

[Jeff1]

Hotel bills are very good .

You did get stamps in your visa also .

Most important is proof of her willingness to return to thailand .

proof of employment.

A house in her name .

A bank account with lots of money in it .

Good luck , alot of us have been down that same road . I only wish I had found this site when I was going through it .

[the scouser]

Hi Deejaimahkmahk,

Most peolpe now use the phone cards that you're referring to and the embassy should accept that they were used for the purpose of contacting your g/f. They will only question them if they are not satisified with the totality of your supporting evidence.

Cheers,

Scouse.

[dee_jai_maak_maak]

A bank account with lots of money in it .

Good luck , alot of us have been down that same road . I only wish I had found this site when I was going through it .

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If you went through this process on your own, you have my sympathy. This site has been a god-send for me.

Out of curiosity, why would a healthy bank balance be considered a reason to return to Thailand?

djmm

[Jeff1]

Sorry I was not more clear.

I ment to say a bank account with HER name on it .

For a tourist visa it would imply that she willl return to a good life and not be looking for work while on holiday.....I guess .

[SK1972]

I ment to say a bank account with HER name on it .

May I suggest that you do NOT loan her the money to make her account look good.............there has been cases where the money goes "missing" after she comes back....

[dee_jai_maak_maak]

Sorry I was not more clear.

I ment to say a bank account with HER name on it .

For a tourist visa it would imply that she willl return to a good life and not be looking for work while on holiday.....I guess . 

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Jeff1,

Cheers. I realised that you were referring to her account. My thinking was that a healthy bank balance would allow her to stay longer in the UK, and thus make her more likely to over-stay.

But obviously, the reverse is true also., as you have pointed out

Cheers.

Paul

[think_too_mut]

I ment to say a bank account with HER name on it .

May I suggest that you do NOT loan her the money to make her account look good.............there has been cases where the money goes "missing" after she comes back....

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The money could go missing before she even leaves or does not board the plane at all, I've heard of that.

My experience from Oz:

At the embassy, one off burst of money into her account may raise suspicion too.

ATM docket printout is not enough, they will ask for bank's report (or regular statement) and will want to see the dynamcs of a living account (regular ins and outs). Passbook is less valuable than that.

Calling cards: there is a way to call the issuer and ask what calls the money was spent on. I doubt any embassy will do that but it is possible to check. IMO, it will add value to the pool of proof you are submitting.

[dee_jai_maak_maak]

ATM docket printout is not enough, they will ask for bank's report (or regular statement) and will want to see the dynamcs of a living account (regular ins and outs). Passbook is less valuable than that.

Calling cards: there is a way to call the issuer and ask what calls the money was spent on. I doubt any embassy will do that but it is possible to check. IMO, it will add value to the pool of proof you are submitting.

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I am not thinking about lending/giving her any lump sums of money.

I've known her a year, and so far I have not sent her any money. She did ask for money once, and I said no.

However, I thought I might send her a little bit each month to cover her English lessons (my idea) and allow her to save a little to rent a shop (also my idea).

I won't be sending much, but I would ask her to put it into her bank before she spends it so that it looks like she is earning regularly. (Most of her pay from her sister comes in the form of free accommodation, drinks and meals).

Good idea? Bad idea?

Cheers,

djmm

[penelope]

I will be applying for a tourist visa for my gf in a couple of months,

she is the one who does the applying.

if she is educated or at uni and will return, has a job/career,owns a house,has committments to return to in LOS etc.... she should have no problem applying and getting a visa in her own right.

[think_too_mut]

ATM docket printout is not enough, they will ask for bank's report (or regular statement) and will want to see the dynamcs of a living account (regular ins and outs). Passbook is less valuable than that.

Calling cards: there is a way to call the issuer and ask what calls the money was spent on. I doubt any embassy will do that but it is possible to check. IMO, it will add value to the pool of proof you are submitting.

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I am not thinking about lending/giving her any lump sums of money.

I've known her a year, and so far I have not sent her any money. She did ask for money once, and I said no.

However, I thought I might send her a little bit each month to cover her English lessons (my idea) and allow her to save a little to rent a shop (also my idea).

I won't be sending much, but I would ask her to put it into her bank before she spends it so that it looks like she is earning regularly. (Most of her pay from her sister comes in the form of free accommodation, drinks and meals).

Good idea? Bad idea?

Cheers,

djmm

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Sorry to ask, what is her background? A BG? I understand it has nothing to do with your relationship but at the Embassy it may mean a lot.

You will face local staff who can recognize a BG from a mile.

Needless to say, our effort was doomed and she did not get the visa. Only a stamp in her passport "Passport seen at Oz Embassy Bangkok".

Also, we were given an explanation why the visa was rejected and what we have to do to be successful: more proof of relationship, more proof of her dependancy on me and more proof that she will return back to Thailand.

Wish I knew about this site then.

[dee_jai_maak_maak]

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Sorry to ask, what is her background? A BG? I understand it has nothing to do with your relationship but at the Embassy it may mean a lot.

You will face local staff who can recognize a BG from a mile.

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It's a fair question.

I met her via a mate. He has been living with her sister for about 2 years. About a year ago my mate and his gf headed for Uk for a holiday. His gf's sister came down from central Thailand to look after the bar in her absence. That's how I met her.

I was with her for about 4 months before I headed back to UK to start working again.

My gf returned to her home town, where she ran a market stall. We kept in touch via phone.

My gf got bored in her home town and returned to stay with sister. She now shares a house with her, my mate, and her sister's daughter. She works at her sister's bar again, and from about 10 till cloising time runs the place on her own.

The bar does offer BG's , but my gf is solely the cashier/manager (her sis don't trust anyone else).

If I've missed anything out, just holler.

Cheers,

djmm

[think_too_mut]

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Sorry to ask, what is her background? A BG? I understand it has nothing to do with your relationship but at the Embassy it may mean a lot.

You will face local staff who can recognize a BG from a mile.

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It's a fair question.

I met her via a mate. He has been living with her sister for about 2 years. About a year ago my mate and his gf headed for Uk for a holiday. His gf's sister came down from central Thailand to look after the bar in her absence. That's how I met her.

I was with her for about 4 months before I headed back to UK to start working again.

My gf returned to her home town, where she ran a market stall. We kept in touch via phone.

My gf got bored in her home town and returned to stay with sister. She now shares a house with her, my mate, and her sister's daughter. She works at her sister's bar again, and from about 10 till cloising time runs the place on her own.

The bar does offer BG's , but my gf is solely the cashier/manager (her sis don't trust anyone else).

If I've missed anything out, just holler.

Cheers,

djmm

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Sorry buddy, it will work against her. The local staff will recognize that and bring some additional bourden upon you two.

If I may, let me suggest: get some lawyer or a company that does that every day. May cost you 20K baht but they will do what is possible.

Don't get me wrong, my gf is a former bg, we even have a baby. Not when the visa got turned down.

Good luck to you.

[dee_jai_maak_maak]

Sorry buddy, it will work against her. The local staff will recognize that and bring some additional bourden upon you two.

If I may, let me suggest: get some lawyer or a company that does that every day. May cost you 20K baht but they will do what is possible.

Don't get me wrong, my gf is a former bg, we even have a baby. Not when the visa got turned down.

Good luck to you.

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Thanks,

I appreciate your advice, but what good will a lawyer do me?

djmm

[think_too_mut]

Sorry buddy, it will work against her. The local staff will recognize that and bring some additional bourden upon you two.

If I may, let me suggest: get some lawyer or a company that does that every day. May cost you 20K baht but they will do what is possible.

Don't get me wrong, my gf is a former bg, we even have a baby. Not when the visa got turned down.

Good luck to you.

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Thanks,

I appreciate your advice, but what good will a lawyer do me?

djmm

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No good will.

The hours we were turned down, there was a man in his late 70s, with an obvious BG probably 40yrs younger than him and - a farang lawyer.

They got it all right.

Of course, I don't know a story behind.

[bajarider]

I have utilized phone cards for 10 months. If calling from a (billed)land line overseas you can use your phone bill to show you call the access number linked to the phone card. Just a thought.

Our interview is approaching and my thought is to simply hand them the "box" of evidence as opposed to just a few examples. That way there is no question of our relationship.

I am greatful to have discovered this site during my wait. It not only is informative but has given me hope when times were rough.

Any thoughts?

[dee_jai_maak_maak]

I have utilized phone cards for 10 months.  If calling from a (billed)land line overseas you can use your phone bill to show you call the access number linked to the phone card.  Just a thought.

Our interview is approaching and my thought is to simply hand them the "box" of evidence as opposed to just a few examples.  That way there is no question of our relationship.

I am greatful to have discovered this site during my wait.  It not only is informative but has given me hope when times were rough. 

Any thoughts?

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I don't have a land line at home, so I tend to call the access number from work. It's a more convenient time of day to call anyway.

Best of luck with your interview.

djmm