Media War

[Pierrot]

It’s easy to understand the support the PAD gets when you read the Thai newspapers, same for the online news. You have to be fluent in English to have access to the international press (BBC, The Economist, HT, FT, …) to get a more balanced view of the current situation.

Actually what I don’t understand is why Thaksin, with all his money, didn’t invest in newspapers, internet and TV channels ? Let’s face it, the main reason of the current troubles is the Thai population is fed b…s… by the local press which is completely manipulated by the PAD and its allies. The only way the current government can regain some credibility is to enter the “media war”. What are they waiting for ?

[jdinasia]

Apparently (like the pipe bombs) you have no real perspective on this. The gov't owns what percentage of TV and radio?

[bkkjames]

It’s easy to understand the support the PAD gets when you read the Thai newspapers, same for the online news. You have to be fluent in English to have access to the international press (BBC, The Economist, HT, FT, …) to get a more balanced view of the current situation.

Actually what I don’t understand is why Thaksin, with all his money, didn’t invest in newspapers, internet and TV channels ? Let’s face it, the main reason of the current troubles is the Thai population is fed b…s… by the local press which is completely manipulated by the PAD and its allies. The only way the current government can regain some credibility is to enter the “media war”. What are they waiting for ?

Generally speaking, intimidation, lawsuits, threats are much more cost-effective way of conditioning, from what I hear.

[TAWP]

Pierrot>> I see you have fled the news section after being exposed...and instead start a topic here based on flawed assumptions.

There is already one mouthpiece for and one mouthpiece against the government, in full force.

That you have missed that speaks more regarding your knowledge of things going on here than anything else.

Edited October 17, 2008 by TAWP

[bkkjames]

I see you have fled the news section after being exposed...and instead start a topic here based on flawed assumptions.

There is already one mouthpiece for and one mouthpiece against the government, in full force.

That you have missed that speaks more regarding your knowledge of things going on here than anything else.

PAD, are you talking to me? No, didn't think so. I am Swiss in this whole affair.

[TAWP]

PAD? Been drinking?

I qualified my post above anyway with whom it was directed to.

[bkkjames]

PAD? Been drinking?

I qualified my post above anyway with whom it was directed to.

My appologies, I thought you were the same one posting all the video footage from the Nation today on a different thread.

[TAWP]

Posting news means one is PAD?

Jeez, some people...

[bkkjames]

Posting news means one is PAD?

Jeez, some people...

I know what you mean, just no accounting for taste on here at times.

[jdinasia]

I guess there really isn't anything to say about the topic .. so you 2 may as well stick with the off-topic sniping

[bkkjames]

I guess there really isn't anything to say about the topic .. so you 2 may as well stick with the off-topic sniping

sorry, that is off-topic and there is a thread running to that effect.

good weekend everyone

[Pierrot]

Pierrot>> I see you have fled the news section after being exposed...and instead start a topic here based on flawed assumptions.

There is already one mouthpiece for and one mouthpiece against the government, in full force.

That you have missed that speaks more regarding your knowledge of things going on here than anything else.

Exposed ? Sorry, don't get your meaning.

It's true I stopped posting in the news section, but it's because this forum is going nowhere. People keep on repeating the same things ad nauseum. I’ve a life if you don’t …

The question is a real question. PAD is a master of disinformation. I'm surprised that Thaksin, who's no angel either, doesn't answer the same way.

[TAWP]

You are trying to be the master of disnformation too by ignoring facts and pushing a debate that isn't based in reality?

Thaksin has a mouthpiece already.

[Pierrot]

You are trying to be the master of disnformation too by ignoring facts and pushing a debate that isn't based in reality?

Reality ? What reality are you talking about ? What you're reading in the local press?

I don't remember the color of the pill Neo were asked to swallow, but you should try it too.

It's all about information and disinformation. Why is Thaksin out of this game?

Today the PAD distributed CD with their side of the story of what happened in the last few weeks. What is the government answer ?

[jdinasia]

You are trying to be the master of disnformation too by ignoring facts and pushing a debate that isn't based in reality?

Reality ? What reality are you talking about ? What you're reading in the local press?

I don't remember the color of the pill Neo were asked to swallow, but you should try it too.

It's all about information and disinformation. Why is Thaksin out of this game?

Today the PAD distributed CD with their side of the story of what happened in the last few weeks. What is the government answer ?

The government answers night and day in the news on the government owned and controlled TV and radio. In fact you seem to quote government sources in saying things like the protesters blew themselves up with pipe-bombs etc.

[Pierrot]

The government answers night and day in the news on the government owned and controlled TV and radio. In fact you seem to quote government sources in saying things like the protesters blew themselves up with pipe-bombs etc.

Pls check the date and time of the post you refer to. I don't need the press (especially the thai press) to get my information.

And you still avoid the question : why, with all the money he has (come on, he was able to buy a football club!) Thaksin doesn't own a newspaper, a news website and a satellite TV station?

[jdinasia]

That's not the original question posed here ..... and no need to check the time and date .. you took the gov't/police spokesman at face value without thinking about the obvious. So you are obviously swayed by the silliness reported.

Thaksin isn't the gov't. He has owned media in the past. However when he WAS the gov't the clamped down massively on the free press and had complete control of the gov't media outlets. You can go back and look at the level of censorship and control over the 'free press' during his tenure.

[Pierrot]

That's not the original question posed here ..... and no need to check the time and date .. you took the gov't/police spokesman at face value without thinking about the obvious. So you are obviously swayed by the silliness reported.

Thaksin isn't the gov't. He has owned media in the past. However when he WAS the gov't the clamped down massively on the free press and had complete control of the gov't media outlets. You can go back and look at the level of censorship and control over the 'free press' during his tenure.

I won't answer you point by point, you're digging your own grave and you don't need my help.

The question, still not answered, is why, with all the money he has,Thaksin doesn't own a newspaper, a news website and a satellite TV station?

You say : "He has owned ...", "he ...clamped down massively on the free press .." I don't know, it's your opinion. But what about today ? Pots# 17 and still no answer ...

[jdinasia]

Not opinion ... fact. You can do the research. It is all here in ThaiVisa without having to look too far.

Your whole premise is flawed. Thaksin had complete control of the gov't press. Your initial post ......

.....Let’s face it, the main reason of the current troubles is the Thai population is fed b…s… by the local press which is completely manipulated by the PAD and its allies. The only way the current government can regain some credibility is to enter the “media war”. What are they waiting for ?

Most of the free broadcast media in Thailand is owned by the gov't (and the military) They have a platform and it is broadcast all the time. Not to mention the ability to use propaganda in villages etc.

Your premise is ... why doesn't the gov't own media sources to fight back with. They have the resources but when you are fighting an unjust battle, almost no amount of spin will help you out!

[Pierrot]

Not opinion ... fact. You can do the research. It is all here in ThaiVisa without having to look too far.

Your whole premise is flawed. Thaksin had complete control of the gov't press. Your initial post .....

Most of the free broadcast media in Thailand is owned by the gov't (and the military) They have a platform and it is broadcast all the time. Not to mention the ability to use propaganda in villages etc.

I'm no master of the english language, but "had" is past, right ?

Then I have to disagree with you with the "and". The "free" (what a strange name) broadcast media is owned by the military. There is no "and", I don't think they share the ownership with anybody.

So what channel is left to the government ? It's really difficult to have an answer, isn't it ?

[jdinasia]

Not difficult to answer at all ... just turn on your television to free (broadcast) TV

From http://www.pressreference.com/Sw-Ur/Thailand.html

NEWS AGENCIES

There is one news agency in Thailand, the Thai News Agency, headquartered in Bangkok. Five press associations are located in Thailand's capital city: the Foreign Correspondents Club, the Journalists Association, the Press Association, the Public Relations Association, and the Reporters Association.

BROADCAST & ELECTRONIC NEWS MEDIA

The Radio and Television Executive Committee controls the administrative, legal, technical, and programming features of broadcasting. Representatives of government agencies are selected as members. All radio stations are operated by and under the supervision of government agencies. Radio Thailand broadcasts three national programs, provincial programs, and educational programs with some programming offered in nine different languages. Television Thailand is the state television network. There are three commercial stations and an Army television channel.

MCOT, formed in 1978, is a Thai state agency that exists under the prime minister's office and is overseen by the prime minister's permanent secretary. It consists of TV Channel 9, MCOT Radio, and the Thai News Agency and employs an estimated 1,428 people. TV Channel 9 has 32 relay stations nationwide and 3 preparing to go on line in the early 2000s. TV Channel 9 reaches 96.5 percent of the Thai population presenting news as well as educational and entertainment programming. The programming is designed to encourage self-improvement skills and knowledge about Thailand in an image that will benefit the people. MCOT is the primary host for broadcasting foreign media and covers both national and international events. MCOT radio had seven FM stations and two AM stations in Bangkok; an additional 53 radio stations broadcast nationwide. Thailand's children's radio project is part of MCOT. MCOT radio provides the support for local community radio stations and encourages the population to voice their opinions and promote democracy and cultural conservatism.

I really don't have the time to educate you about the reality of the press in Thailand ... but there are many many many places online to look.

Why Thaksin doesn't own something is a question you could only ask him ... though Thailand's Lessee Majesty laws may have something to do with it.

[Pierrot]

I really don't have the time to educate you about the reality of the press in Thailand ...

So sorry, I don't want to waste your time. No need to educate me, just answer my question.

I guess nobody has the answer, that's why we get into such a mess !

[jdinasia]

I really don't have the time to educate you about the reality of the press in Thailand ...

So sorry, I don't want to waste your time. No need to educate me, just answer my question.

I guess nobody has the answer, that's why we get into such a mess !

You obviously (again!) do not have a clue ... again the Gov't has media and controls it. If you suggest Thailand's problems would be lessened if Thaksin owned media in Thailand then you are twice the fool.

Again --- your question has been answered ... you have been (yet again) proven wrong and you (yet again) will not look at the facts.

[Pierrot]

It seems we're going nowhere ...

You obviously (again!) do not have a clue ...

My OP was a question ... what do you expect ?

Again --- your question has been answered ... you have been (yet again) proven wrong and you (yet again) will not look at the facts.

Proven wrong ? Again my op was a question. How can I've been "proven wrong" ?

[jdinasia]

It seems we're going nowhere ...

You obviously (again!) do not have a clue ...

My OP was a question ... what do you expect ?

Again --- your question has been answered ... you have been (yet again) proven wrong and you (yet again) will not look at the facts.

Proven wrong ? Again my op was a question. How can I've been "proven wrong" ?

You have been proven wrong in that the government has significantly more media access than the opposition and that they use it.

again from your initial post

.....Let’s face it, the main reason of the current troubles is the Thai population is fed b…s… by the local press which is completely manipulated by the PAD and its allies. The only way the current government can regain some credibility is to enter the “media war”. What are they waiting for ?

The local press isn't manipulated by PAD (a basic fact the government owns far more media outlets than our friendly leader of the PAD) And the government isn't 'waiting' they are putting out news and their version of events on an hourly basis.

Face it ... you just can't stand (for whatever reason) the fact that so many people believe in the PAD cause and think that 'if they knew better' they'd think your way.

[Pierrot]

Face it ... you just can't stand (for whatever reason) the fact that so many people believe in the PAD cause and think that 'if they knew better' they'd think your way.

Let see. I just started a poll