Thaksin Guilty In Land Case, Gets 2-year Imprisonment

[Old Man River]

Odds are if L and H and Noblie put in their bids before Thaksin's interest,

someone tipped Potty or Thaky to the price, they went in fractions higher,

and no further bids were offered, knowing WHO was coming in against them.

One must wonder, why super low bids were not thrown out as SOP.

Sorry folks not in the ball park, the people decline to sell.

It is as easy to believe TRT supporters L&H and NOB also just came in with

super low bids to make it SEEM legit as they made points with the big man.

Costs squat to make a unacceptable bid,

but scores big points with PM as cover story.

I don't think that LH & NOBLE re related to Thaksin. If they do, they could fix the deal to make sure LH (or NOBLE) wins. On completion of the purchase from the government, on sold to Thaksin at cost (or a small profit). I am sure that Thaksin will figure that out.

Everyone seems to think that FIDF sold too cheaply. That is not true. FIDF sold the property at the market price at that time. FIDF & BOT have defended that (else they would have gone to jail too). No one knew that the property price in that area was about to appreciate that much.

In an unrelated case. Sonthi accuse the Thai Railway to lease out the Central Ladprow land too cheaply. That was not true as well. At the time when the land was leased out, no one knew that that piece of waste land so far from the city was about to become one of North Bangkok hottest property.

Your comments on the case are correct. Neither L&H nor Noble are affiliated with the Shinawatra family and the price Pojamon paid was, actually, above the fair market value at the time of the government auction.

Tulsathit wrote an excellent overview of the court's decision in today's The Nation from the court's perspective. it is well worth a read.

[Thai at Heart]

From The Nation web-site:

"Thaksin's lawyers file complaint against Sondhi

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"Two layers of former prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra filed a complaint with police alleging Sondhi Limthongkul, the Manager Daily and ASTV with defaming him ... The two layers said they were authorised by Thaksin to take legal action against Sondhi for making defamation statement against the former prime minister and the statement was published by the paper and aired on the satellite TV"

I'm confused ... isn't it the case that he has no faith in the Thai justice system? So how can he carry on suing people? You can't reject the system when it suits you (i.e. when you are charged) and then turn around and rely on it to help you out!

Deformation of Character and slander is illegal here.(So is Threatening killing and Maiming other people as "Sody"

has been doing publicly for weeks!)

Deformation of charachter is the basis for all this

Thaksin has been BENT in character for years.

Defamation is only defamation of it is patently untrue.

Thaksin is clutching at straws now. Sadly some of them CAN kill people.

So, why isn't Salang charged for inciting 1,000 people to riot in the streets..

Defamation/slander/libel is a criminal offence in Thailand. It is one of the few countries left that is classed as a criminal offence not civil. Just ask Samak. Burden of proof however lies with the offended, but having it broadcast all over the TV doesn't make it difficult to prove. Actually, many of us on here could be treading a fine line if anyone wanted to chase it after the recent changes to internet libel in Thailand.

As someone asked, who rights these laws? Just shows that a severe legal review is in order to close all these ridiculous situations vis a vis statutes of limitations etc.

[frodo]

Thaksin to address supporters during mobile Today's Truth

By The Nation

Former prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra will make a phone call from London to speak his heart on November 1 during a mobile Today's Truth talk show at the National Stadium on November 1, he told Reuters.

He gave an interview to Reuters that he had cancelled his plan to issue a statement on the conviction against him in the Ratchadapisek land case but would instead make a phone call to talk to his supporters during the talk show.

The talk show is hosted by People Power Party MP Chatuporn Promphan and some other leading members of the Democratic Alliance Against Dictatorship, including Veera Musigapong.

The No 1 programme will be the second mobile one.

Continued here: http://nationmultimedia.com/2008/10/23/pol...cs_30086707.php

Typical of Thaksin. Much the same propaganda as when he was in office with his talk radio. He gave his myopic sided view only, and would never allow another to question or debate him. He was able to buy his way from a conviction years ago. Now that the tables have turned against him, he has turned into nothing more than a whining baby. He should follow the advice of Abhisit and face the music. He never gave a dam_n about the murders in the south or his war on drugs where he oversaw the massacure of innocents or the disappearance of lawyer Somchai. Thaksin is nothing more than a typical lying criminal who got caught. Face the music and be a man for once.

[frodo]

Hilarious! I think this is a rather telling omen to Salang.

[ilyushin]

The sentence is not worth the ink used to write it.

[hammered]

Giles has another intersting piece up at Asia Sentinel for those interested. It will probably upset ardent supporters of both sides by arguing for a third way.

[soundman]

Hilarious! I think this is a rather telling omen to Salang.

Perhaps he should go and see the fortune teller in chiang mai?

[lostagain]

The sentence is not worth the ink used to write it.

Exactly .. Time will show that he and his cohorts are above the law.

[animatic]

The sentence is not worth the ink used to write it.

Exactly .. Time will show that he and his cohorts are above the law.

No so,

he is now at risk of immediate incarceration if he steps off the plane.

So that blocks him from more direct on the ground control.

And at THIS point in time that is worth a LOT to Thailand's peace.

This proves he is NOT above the law, the law got him,

he is just not in the HANDS of the law at the moment.

Two very different things.

[Samuian]

Your comments on the case are correct. Neither L&H nor Noble are affiliated with the Shinawatra family and the price Pojamon paid was, actually, above the fair market value at the time of the government auction. sorry, proof of it?

Tulsathit wrote an excellent overview of the court's decision in today's The Nation from the court's perspective. it is well worth a read. Do you mind to post the link to this "well worth a read"?

Sorry!

But the first is simply a statement and the second, well he gets ridiculed in a forum as

"Tulsathit is an idiot. He's no better than Saprang or Ekkayuth Anchanbutr - always saying they have secret information that they can't tell the public but ..."

Source:

I have strong grounds that this is the go with many people in this country and it's current political situation, the old tactic of "if you get blamed, quickly find someone you can blame for!"

[Old Man River]

Your comments on the case are correct. Neither L&H nor Noble are affiliated with the Shinawatra family and the price Pojamon paid was, actually, above the fair market value at the time of the government auction. sorry, proof of it?

Tulsathit wrote an excellent overview of the court's decision in today's The Nation from the court's perspective. it is well worth a read. Do you mind to post the link to this "well worth a read"?

Sorry!

But the first is simply a statement and the second, well he gets ridiculed in a forum as

"Tulsathit is an idiot. He's no better than Saprang or Ekkayuth Anchanbutr - always saying they have secret information that they can't tell the public but ..."

Source:

I have strong grounds that this is the go with many people in this country and it's current political situation, the old tactic of "if you get blamed, quickly find someone you can blame for!"

Seriously, there has been so much written about this in TV, other websites and the media for over a year. I am sure you can google it and find it, but to start you in the right direction, below is a link to Bangkok Pundit. If you search back, you will find a lot written on this website about this case.

http://bangkokpundit.blogspot.com/2008/10/...court-find.html

On Tulsathit's article, yes, that was my opinion, but I am really not sure how you took it for anything else. As it relates to Fonzi's comments, calling an editor of a newspaper an idiot because you disagree with him was a bit over the top (again, in my opinion).

I found Tulsie's article interesting because it presented a different view from mine on something that has been argued on TV for a long time. The article is, in essence, Tulsie's opinion on why the court may have stayed away from certain issues.

I couldn't access a link to Tulsie's article, but since you are in Thailand, it can be found in today's The Nation, on the front page of the National Affairs section. It is in the Ask the Editor's column and is entitled "Winning Ugly is the Name of the Game."

[marshbags]

Edited by marshbags

I suspect that what has set you going however is my slightly facetious description of the typical visa runner.My point was simply that Thaksin has little chance of being accepted by London's elite.For the record neither have I.

Sadly it didn,t achieve it,s " meant to humour objectives " as it was judged in the context of your way of posting.

It is important that respect towards our families is maintained at all times, after all we are the ones debating, plus of course it adds insult to offensiveness when putting it alongside Thaksins scenario his non ethical standards and complete lack of integrity.

It was below the belt to say the least IMHO

marshbags

P.S. Flaming is of course banned on T.Visa and we should respect it accordingly

Edited October 23, 2008 by marshbags

[marshbags]

The Nation breaking news 23-10-2008

Somchai says Thanksin's plan to address public has nothing to do with Govt

Quote

Prime Minister Somchai Wongsawat said if former prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra makes a phone call into a pro-government live TV programme to address his supporters, it will have nothing to do with his government.

Somchai said Thaksin's plan to make a phone call to talk live on the mobile Todays' Truth programme on NBT would be Thaksin's personal matter.

"I am confident that this will not affect the government because everybody should respect other people's rights," Somchai said.

"The TV programme is not a mechanism of the government."

When asked whether Thaksin's possible criticism against the judiciary would affect it, Somchai said the administration could not interfere in the judiciary affairs.

Unquote

&lt;deleted&gt; in hel_l will these so called elected officials of a government start putting Thailand and it,s people as a first consideration and give it the priority it is crying out for.

This is blatant and complete lack of understanding and non accountability by the so called elected government who,s duty is to safegaurd the well being of it,s electorate / citizens.

There is a complete lack of empathy with the polarity of the political unrest and rather than help to reduce it, this action, if allowed to go ahead will be nothing more than a show of seemingly condoning Thaksins actions, while putting two fingers up at the judicial outcome of his found guilty verdict along with facilitating him platform to further his evil self interst while using the protestors as nothing more cannon fodder.

Start governing you unethical, unprincipled, uncaring B*s*a*d*

marshbags and

Edited October 23, 2008 by marshbags

[Guest Reimar]

The Nation breaking news 23-10-2008

Somchai says Thanksin's plan to address public has nothing to do with Govt

Quote

Prime Minister Somchai Wongsawat said if former prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra makes a phone call into a pro-government live TV programme to address his supporters, it will have nothing to do with his government.

Somchai said Thaksin's plan to make a phone call to talk live on the mobile Todays' Truth programme on NBT would be Thaksin's personal matter.

"I am confident that this will not affect the government because everybody should respect other people's rights," Somchai said.

"The TV programme is not a mechanism of the government."

When asked whether Thaksin's possible criticism against the judiciary would affect it, Somchai said the administration could not interfere in the judiciary affairs.

Unquote

&lt;deleted&gt; in hel_l will these so called elected officials of a government start putting Thailand and it,s people as a first consideration and give it the priority it is crying out for.

This is blatant and complete lack of understanding and non accountability by the so called elected government who,s duty is to safegaurd the well being of it,s electorate / citizens.

There is a complete lack of empathy with the polarity of the political unrest and rather than help to reduce it, this action, if allowed to go ahead will be nothing more than a show of seemingly condoning Thaksins actions, while putting two fingers up at the judicial outcome of his found guilty verdict along with facilitating him platform to further his evil self interst while using the protestors as nothing more cannon fodder.

Start governing you unethical, unprincipled, uncaring B*s*a*d*

marshbags and

What you expect?

Who's Somchai Wongsawat?

1. Brother in Law of Thaksin Shinawatra;

2. Husband of the Chairman of the so named War Room at Shinawatra 3 Tower, where the former ousted and convicted and banned TRT/Government members meet to give the orders to him, his wife and sister of Thaksin Shinawatra;

3. a person with court cases running against him;

4. a not from voters elected Prime Minister of Thailand!

Could we add some more?

Anyway, that 4 points alone says enough!

Now the speech of Thaksin Shinawatra, ousted former Prime Minister of Thailand, an convicted person with criminal record, hold on State TV NBT is NOT political? What that guy Somchai Wongsawat would like to tell us with that explanation?!

Take it in the right light: A convicted, ousted former Prime Minister of the same Country, with criminal record, would allowed to hold a speech via telephone to a Nation for to explain what, if that speech isn't political?

No one should forget that Somchai Wongsawat, the DAAD, the UDD and the PPP are financed and steered from whom?!

Cheers.

[Guest Reimar]

The Nation breaking news 23-10-2008

Somchai says Thanksin's plan to address public has nothing to do with Govt

Quote

Prime Minister Somchai Wongsawat said if former prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra makes a phone call into a pro-government live TV programme to address his supporters, it will have nothing to do with his government.

Somchai said Thaksin's plan to make a phone call to talk live on the mobile Todays' Truth programme on NBT would be Thaksin's personal matter.

"I am confident that this will not affect the government because everybody should respect other people's rights," Somchai said.

"The TV programme is not a mechanism of the government."

When asked whether Thaksin's possible criticism against the judiciary would affect it, Somchai said the administration could not interfere in the judiciary affairs.

Unquote

&lt;deleted&gt; in hel_l will these so called elected officials of a government start putting Thailand and it,s people as a first consideration and give it the priority it is crying out for.

This is blatant and complete lack of understanding and non accountability by the so called elected government who,s duty is to safegaurd the well being of it,s electorate / citizens.

There is a complete lack of empathy with the polarity of the political unrest and rather than help to reduce it, this action, if allowed to go ahead will be nothing more than a show of seemingly condoning Thaksins actions, while putting two fingers up at the judicial outcome of his found guilty verdict along with facilitating him platform to further his evil self interst while using the protestors as nothing more cannon fodder.

Start governing you unethical, unprincipled, uncaring B*s*a*d*

marshbags and

What you expect?

Who's Somchai Wongsawat?

1. Brother in Law of Thaksin Shinawatra;

2. Husband of the Chairman of the so named War Room at Shinawatra 3 Tower, where the former ousted and convicted and banned TRT/Government members meet to give the orders to him, his wife and sister of Thaksin Shinawatra;

3. a person with court cases running against him;

4. a not from voters elected Prime Minister of Thailand!

Could we add some more?

Anyway, that 4 points alone says enough!

Now the speech of Thaksin Shinawatra, ousted former Prime Minister of Thailand, an convicted person with criminal record, hold on State TV NBT is NOT political? What that guy Somchai Wongsawat would like to tell us with that explanation?!

Take it in the right light: A convicted, ousted former Prime Minister of the same Country, with criminal record, would allowed to hold a speech via telephone to a Nation for to explain what, if that speech isn't political?

No one should forget that Somchai Wongsawat, the DAAD, the UDD and the PPP are financed and steered from whom?!

Cheers.

[roamer]

The Nation breaking news 23-10-2008

Somchai says Thanksin's plan to address public has nothing to do with Govt

Quote

Prime Minister Somchai Wongsawat said if former prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra makes a phone call into a pro-government live TV programme to address his supporters, it will have nothing to do with his government.

Somchai said Thaksin's plan to make a phone call to talk live on the mobile Todays' Truth programme on NBT would be Thaksin's personal matter.

"I am confident that this will not affect the government because everybody should respect other people's rights," Somchai said.

"The TV programme is not a mechanism of the government."

When asked whether Thaksin's possible criticism against the judiciary would affect it, Somchai said the administration could not interfere in the judiciary affairs.

Unquote

&lt;deleted&gt; in hel_l will these so called elected officials of a government start putting Thailand and it,s people as a first consideration and give it the priority it is crying out for.

This is blatant and complete lack of understanding and non accountability by the so called elected government who,s duty is to safegaurd the well being of it,s electorate / citizens.

There is a complete lack of empathy with the polarity of the political unrest and rather than help to reduce it, this action, if allowed to go ahead will be nothing more than a show of seemingly condoning Thaksins actions, while putting two fingers up at the judicial outcome of his found guilty verdict along with facilitating him platform to further his evil self interst while using the protestors as nothing more cannon fodder.

Start governing you unethical, unprincipled, uncaring B*s*a*d*

marshbags and

What you expect?

Who's Somchai Wongsawat?

1. Brother in Law of Thaksin Shinawatra;

2. Husband of the Chairman of the so named War Room at Shinawatra 3 Tower, where the former ousted and convicted and banned TRT/Government members meet to give the orders to him, his wife and sister of Thaksin Shinawatra;

3. a person with court cases running against him;

4. a not from voters elected Prime Minister of Thailand!

Could we add some more?

Anyway, that 4 points alone says enough!

Now the speech of Thaksin Shinawatra, ousted former Prime Minister of Thailand, an convicted person with criminal record, hold on State TV NBT is NOT political? What that guy Somchai Wongsawat would like to tell us with that explanation?!

Take it in the right light: A convicted, ousted former Prime Minister of the same Country, with criminal record, would allowed to hold a speech via telephone to a Nation for to explain what, if that speech isn't political?

No one should forget that Somchai Wongsawat, the DAAD, the UDD and the PPP are financed and steered from whom?!

Cheers.

He could always do a Richard Nixon and admit he'd done wrong and failed his country. No on second thoughts he couldn't, he's not that honourable

[h90]

He could always do a Richard Nixon and admit he'd done wrong and failed his country. No on second thoughts he couldn't, he's not that honourable

No he couldn't because neither Thaksin nor his wife will allow him to do it.

[sriracha john]

Edited by marshbags

I suspect that what has set you going however is my slightly facetious description of the typical visa runner.My point was simply that Thaksin has little chance of being accepted by London's elite.For the record neither have I.

Sadly it didn,t achieve it,s " meant to humour objectives " as it was judged in the context of your way of posting.

It is important that respect towards our families is maintained at all times, after all we are the ones debating, plus of course it adds insult to offensiveness when putting it alongside Thaksins scenario his non ethical standards and complete lack of integrity.

It was below the belt to say the least IMHO

marshbags

P.S. Flaming is of course banned on T.Visa and we should respect it accordingly

Whether it's directed at an individual member, a large group of members, or the entire forum... that's something he's struggled with since first arriving on thaivisa, my friend...

[jayjayjayjay]

"1158 User(s) are reading this topic (845 Guests and 2 Anonymous Users)"

Wow, I can't believe how many people want to see him burn in heII.

come on guy this is one of the most important decisions for the good of this wondeful country

WE ARE a naive bunch(Most of "Us")!

These laws ARE the Junta's "New"amendments to the constitution! RE: Thaksin was within the Code of law At said time the "Land" deal was made.

Can someone confirm that this statement is true. I don't like to execute a criminal and found out later that the court was rigged. i am sure that the judges (apart from Somchai who is a ex-judge) is not stupid enough not to pick this out.

didn't read the post #86 above?

Does anyone remember, that at one stage both of them claimed they did this purchase not for personal gain but for their children so to socialize with their mates in Bangkok they had a place to stay (33 Rai!!!)and didn't need to drive the long and dangerous distance! ? Anyone?

I thought it was the rudest reply ever... and blunt lie... seems these people have completely lost their feeling for right or wrong, basically seem to care &lt;deleted&gt;!

I am amazed at how many bloggers here if even peripherally, support/sympathize with PAD. Corruption is ingrained in Thai culture. It will take generations to eradicate. PAD claims democracy. Hah. Not even close. The closest thing to PAD politics is Communism. Let's get real guys. They waqnt to roll it back to 1973 with no clear plan, candidate or process. AS long as the press is not free and everyone can be bought, even the most primal form of democracy here is impossible. I love Thailand. been here for 18 years, have an extensive family here, and have seen the bouncing ball go every which way. I am saddened that the world is laughing at Thailand now. And the beat goes on...

ABSOLUTELY Correct! PAD repressive and quite simular to a stupid mix of Tat Madaw Burmese Junta and the old Creepy Pol Pot/ KmereRouge Polotics! You who spew negative? and Pro PAD supportive veiws will agree then? With their main veiw that" The Poor and uneducated should have NO (or little 30% locally only!) say in the Vote because they are "To dumb" to choose ?

WTFudd?

And the Obese endowment funding?(We need Detective Clouso to fined the Missing "Gem" here!)

Have some links to find the truths if you care to (Those who offer forth "Ignorants" based on NO FACT!)

http://www.mathaba.net/search/free.shtml?conds[0][operator]=RLIKE&conds[0][value]=Mathaba&conds[0][category........]=1&conds[1][operator]=m%3A%3E%3D&conds[1][value]=7776000&conds[1][publish_date....]=1&conds[2][operator]=LIKE&conds[2][headline........]=1&conds[2][full_text.......]=1&sort[0][publish_date....]=d&conds[2][value]=Thaksin&sa=GO

http://rspas.anu.edu.au/rmap/newmandala/20...7-october-2008/

Thai Constitution 1997: http://www.thailawforum.com/articles/constburns1.html

Of Recent FULL Changes and amendment processes of the above:

http://jurist.law.pitt.edu/jurist_search.p...ai+constitution

The definitive History of the Thai Constitution :Beggining to Present:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_of_Thailand

I do understand that alot of You out there prefer the "Disneyland" Utopic means of "News" consumption.Following "The Nation", "BKK Post","Manager" web site and Yes even ASTV ,(Personally as good as The Burmese Tat Madaw's information Rag "The Myanmar Star"!)

Simply "Because they are In English".But C'mon! That's a bit TOO easy! As opposed to "Our" BS Press in home nations(60% true 40% twisted BS) ASTV's Translation is about 15% accurate and 85% DooDoo!

Most of My Thai Freinds are the Aged.They were the peoples Who Humbly welcomed us here with a beautiful Smile and a sincere curiosity 21 years ago. Most are Quiet and will not speak their veiws so openly to strangers.But they are sad at the state of affairs presently.Most of the "Younger Peoples" will smile and tell farangs anything to keep the "Sabai Sabai" Party time,(Come and Spend Your Money) Fantasy and False feeling of security alive!

1) Thailand is A Developing Democracy.If some Hookey Power does not Hijack that process.

2) If One understands WHO and Why The Top Judges sit where they Do here.And More over What Protection they have (For their Dirty Past Deeds never brought to Legal issue!)One would Nkow that Present Judgements are Travesties!(Like Uh Bush won the second term?How?People see people learn!)

3) Most Important. ALL PEOPLE deserve the RIGHT to Vote and have a say in their Form of Society.On ALL Levels.Local and National!

These are Basic and fudamental Human Rights!

Peace Out!

"In conclusion, Thai Rath seemed to suggest that either Thaksin Shinawatra or Sondhi Limthongkul (or both) had tried to instigate a military coup in order to protect their respective interests. That is, the situation was still framed as a fight between the wills of these two people, who have been slugging it out since the second half of the year 2005. Thai politics with all its institutions and constitutional structures (not to mention the sovereign-the people) is reduced, it seems, to a boxing ring in which two heavyweights vie for the championship."

Thai Rath and Matichon on 7 October 2008

October 13th, 2008 by Srithanonchai, Guest Contributor ·

HelterSkelter, a well put together piece. It is clear from your English you are not a native English speaker like most on this forum, and for this part I very much appreciate your perspective. The above quote is one that I believe is fueling the key intensity to this ongoing war, no matter what others here say about Thaksin sins, this is a head-on battle between the eternal looser Sondhi L. and his foe Thakin. Heaven's forbid if this country ends up with a Sondhi future.

Again, great piece with informative links, I hope you post more often.

And to the gaggle of pro-PAD geese, think long and hard about your support for a reduced input into Thailand's future by the poor majority. PAD is comming scarily close to recommending a future leadership and electrol system in the same vein as Pol Pot and his clan. Don't tell me Sondhi L is recommending intelligent people to dominate Thailand's future, that's what Pol Pot would have told us too.

[hammered]

The Nation breaking news 23-10-2008

Somchai says Thanksin's plan to address public has nothing to do with Govt

Quote

Prime Minister Somchai Wongsawat said if former prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra makes a phone call into a pro-government live TV programme to address his supporters, it will have nothing to do with his government.

Somchai said Thaksin's plan to make a phone call to talk live on the mobile Todays' Truth programme on NBT would be Thaksin's personal matter.

"I am confident that this will not affect the government because everybody should respect other people's rights," Somchai said.

"The TV programme is not a mechanism of the government."

When asked whether Thaksin's possible criticism against the judiciary would affect it, Somchai said the administration could not interfere in the judiciary affairs.

Unquote

&lt;deleted&gt; in hel_l will these so called elected officials of a government start putting Thailand and it,s people as a first consideration and give it the priority it is crying out for.

This is blatant and complete lack of understanding and non accountability by the so called elected government who,s duty is to safegaurd the well being of it,s electorate / citizens.

There is a complete lack of empathy with the polarity of the political unrest and rather than help to reduce it, this action, if allowed to go ahead will be nothing more than a show of seemingly condoning Thaksins actions, while putting two fingers up at the judicial outcome of his found guilty verdict along with facilitating him platform to further his evil self interst while using the protestors as nothing more cannon fodder.

Start governing you unethical, unprincipled, uncaring B*s*a*d*

marshbags and

What you expect?

Who's Somchai Wongsawat?

1. Brother in Law of Thaksin Shinawatra;

2. Husband of the Chairman of the so named War Room at Shinawatra 3 Tower, where the former ousted and convicted and banned TRT/Government members meet to give the orders to him, his wife and sister of Thaksin Shinawatra;

3. a person with court cases running against him;

4. a not from voters elected Prime Minister of Thailand!

Could we add some more?

Anyway, that 4 points alone says enough!

Now the speech of Thaksin Shinawatra, ousted former Prime Minister of Thailand, an convicted person with criminal record, hold on State TV NBT is NOT political? What that guy Somchai Wongsawat would like to tell us with that explanation?!

Take it in the right light: A convicted, ousted former Prime Minister of the same Country, with criminal record, would allowed to hold a speech via telephone to a Nation for to explain what, if that speech isn't political?

No one should forget that Somchai Wongsawat, the DAAD, the UDD and the PPP are financed and steered from whom?!

Cheers.

Somchai's statement is just legal nicety and most likely for the foreign media. Of course technically what an individual does even if related through marriage is nothing to do with th eposition you yourself hold.

However, this is Asia and Thailand and basically most in Thailand on both sides are fully aware of the relationship between Thaksin and Somchai and what it means in local context. Family is closer than.... and marriages at that level of the elite are made to create advatagious relationships rather than some notion of romantic love. This is especially so in the Sino-Thai community. Basically though to Thaksins supporters know this and are happy for it because it shows their man is stuill around and Thaksins detractors know this and are angry about it because it menas the man is still there.

Of course while technically Thaksins speech is nothing to do with the government (excepting things like allowing a convicted man to do so). However, everyone knows the government and Thaksin are hand in glove. It is just some like it while others dont.

[animatic]

Sorry, wrong.

Pol Pot and his KR systematically killed off any inteligent people.

Even the hint of speaking out got you on a Cambodian long march to the grave.

One of the main reasons the country is a still a basket case, and willing to

do deals with a Thaksin type to try and rebuild lost infrastructure..

They've only just regrown anything resembling a thinking class.

Albeit quite controlled.

Oh by the way Pol Pot's dead now, Hun Sen is in charge there now.

And is more or less trying most of the KR leadership in courts.

Next the Myanmar generals also stifle all inteligent speech,

because so much spoken/written intelligence makes them look

as stupid as they are.

To imagine Sondhi wants to fall to a KR controled state

or Myanmar General controled state is ludacris.

They just want to severe Thakisin's 'hold on the country'

and put anything reasonable in place that prevents it's return.

They may not be great political philosophers and theorists,

but they certainly can't want what this propaganda implies.

Edited October 24, 2008 by animatic

[Old Man River]

Who's Somchai Wongsawat?

4. not from voters elected Prime Minister of Thailand!

A quick clarification. Prime Ministers in Thailand are never directly elected by voters to be Prime Minister. They are first elected as Members of Parliament (Somchai was elected as a member of the PPP's party list candidates). Then, the ruling coalition is formed (via a great deal of back door politics). Following this, the new government puts forth their name for PM, as does members of the opposition parties and Parliament then votes for their choice. As normal, the ruling coalition's choice wins.

The fact is, Thailand's political system is different from what most of us know in our countries.

[clausewitz]

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/search/rea...;keyword=pravit

The lengthy court verdict has been described by some local media as "a landmark" or "historic", but it will likely deepen the political divide even further, at least in two aspects.

First, on how the court regards the September 19, 2006 coup and military junta.

The second, on how watertight the verdict was in concluding that Thaksin was guilty.

As to the role of the junta, the court had to touch upon it because the legitimacy of the junta-appointed Assets Examination Committee, which decided to bring the case against Thaksin and his wife Pojaman, was questioned by the defendants.

The court said in its verdict that the body created by the junta was lawful because the coup-makers only usurped the power of the executive and legislative branches and not the judiciary, except that of the Constitution Court, which went down along with the 1997 charter.

what about possible conflict of interest on the part of the military junta, which is clearly an enemy of Thaksin, and which ousted Thaksin and also appointed the AEC, whose members include well-known figures with anti-Thaksin credentials like Kaewsan Atibodhi?

[clausewitz]

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/search/rea...;keyword=pravit

it's not difficult to understand why many Thaksin supporters will likely continue to believe in his innocence in this case.

There was no hard evidence but an assumption that because Thaksin was the prime minister, and was influential, back in 2003 when the bidding was made by his wife for the state-controlled land, Thaksin must be guilty because he and his wife "could have deterred other bidders from fairly competing in the bidding process".

And to make matters worse, Thaksin also used his signature and PM identity card to acknowledge the transaction made by his wife.

So we're dealing with an assumption and probability here - it's nonetheless an assumption and probability.

Is it a case of Thaksin being guilty until proven otherwise?

[Guest Reimar]

Who's Somchai Wongsawat?

4. not from voters elected Prime Minister of Thailand!

A quick clarification. Prime Ministers in Thailand are never directly elected by voters to be Prime Minister. They are first elected as Members of Parliament (Somchai was elected as a member of the PPP's party list candidates). Then, the ruling coalition is formed (via a great deal of back door politics). Following this, the new government puts forth their name for PM, as does members of the opposition parties and Parliament then votes for their choice. As normal, the ruling coalition's choice wins.

The fact is, Thailand's political system is different from what most of us know in our countries.

You're right with that.

But within an election, the next Prime Minister is know already for the Party which will win the election, in majority or as head of an coalition, and therefore many voters will vote depend on that.

That was what I had mean to write he's not elected as PM.

Cheers.

[JacknDanny]

What is number 8?

Or is this game over?

it's not over...

#8 will be posted after it occurs.... same as the previous 7

One has to laugh at this.He's trying to appear as some form of avenging angel whereas he's just another bloke hunched over his laptop.

yep, same as yourself...

except where I prefer to notate events that go the way I like to see them go... you seem to prefer predictions before the events.... which never seem to occur...

Game, set...............and Match

Take no s##t SJ

[younghusband]

Edited by marshbags

I suspect that what has set you going however is my slightly facetious description of the typical visa runner.My point was simply that Thaksin has little chance of being accepted by London's elite.For the record neither have I.

Sadly it didn,t achieve it,s " meant to humour objectives " as it was judged in the context of your way of posting.

It is important that respect towards our families is maintained at all times, after all we are the ones debating, plus of course it adds insult to offensiveness when putting it alongside Thaksins scenario his non ethical standards and complete lack of integrity.

It was below the belt to say the least IMHO

marshbags

P.S. Flaming is of course banned on T.Visa and we should respect it accordingly

Whether it's directed at an individual member, a large group of members, or the entire forum... that's something he's struggled with since first arriving on thaivisa, my friend...

This latest piece of personal abuse would be a little more convincing if you didn't have a track record of accusing those with different opinions as flaming.I am sure it is very irritating for you to see a discussion giving fair weight to all sides, but it's probably best to argue your case rather than abuse other members.

[bunnaag]

Thaksin guilty in land case, gets 2-year imprisonment

Thaksin Shinawatra sentenced to two years in jail

BANGKOK: -- The Supreme Court Tuesday found former prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra guilty in the Ratchada land case.

He was sentenced to 2 years in jail.

Pojaman Shinawatra, his wife, was found not guilty and the court revoked arrest warrant against her.

The court found that Thaksin had violated Article 100 and Article 102 of the National Counter Corruption Act, which states that government officials, including prime ministers, and their spouses are prohibited from entering into or having interests in contracts with state agencies under their supervision.

-- The Nation 2008-10-21

He wants to appeal the verdict.Is this possible?Appeal to which court?

[Samuian]

The court said in its verdict that the body created by the junta was lawful because the coup-makers only usurped the power of the executive and legislative branches and not the judiciary, except that of the Constitution Court, which went down along with the 1997 charter.

what about possible conflict of interest on the part of the military junta, which is clearly an enemy of Thaksin, and which ousted Thaksin and also appointed the AEC, whose members include well-known figures with anti-Thaksin credentials like Kaewsan Atibodhi? [/i]

Well, as a defendant he has to declare the "Junta" an Enemy, but as (highlighted blue) is his only means to fight the case!

He will be trying hard to fight the verdict, we know the "boy" all along, don't we?

Why not send his case to The Hague for breach of human rights and premeditated, organized mass murder!

With a Dr. Title in Crime/Law he should have known to do so, to give the orders, was a crime!

It's a farce, sure he has never done anything wrong, sure not, never ever, if so, why he is on the run then?

Why there is so much fiddling and tempering with the Constitution?

Has his wife bought the land Yes/No?

Was he then Prime Minister Yes/No?

Did he have influence over the Agency Yes/No?

The whole thing is becoming a humongous farce, a typical Taxinista piece of a cheap soap opera!

There is more behind this power struggle, much more!

Things which cannot be discussed here..... but there lies the genuine core!

If he only could, he would go for it all!

And this, his dream come true, he would be the CEO of Thailand Incorp.

What this means in plain text, everyone of the critics of the "Junta", of the Surayud Government, Sondhi, Chalerm and the "New Politics" of the PAD Movement, should loud and clearly articulate what it means to have a CEO as the Leader of government, of a state!

But this is avoided by all means, either it doesn't want to be seen, heard and understood, or I suspect that the supporters of the Taxin Agenda, have something else in mind, something that cannot be discussed here, and is always carefully avoided.....

But it is the shadow hovering over the Picture which is painted by all the pros for stating that Taxin is supposed to be an "innocent man"

No matter how many factors point towards heavy institutionalized corruption in office, not matter, that he changed laws, even the constitution, that he placed handpicked people in key positions to enrich his Shin Corp. ever further, to avoid massive tax payments, no matter what, for the supporters of his course this man, of course, never did anything wrong!

But legal courts decided already in 6 cases that he DID WRONG, now these courts are biased, politically motivated, against him!

It's a farce, as much as his "honest mistakes" and the "kissing" of Thai Soil on his last return!

This man is taking on a whole country, no matter what, he wants to win and he will try every perceivable thing possible!

Because someone dared to hurt his little ego!

Edited October 24, 2008 by Samuian

[TAWP]

3) Most Important. ALL PEOPLE deserve the RIGHT to Vote and have a say in their Form of Society.On ALL Levels.Local and National!

These are Basic and fudamental Human Rights!

Your post is a mix of confused rambling and non-factual based arguments, but I like this one above.

A human right to vote? Are you kidding me?

If it is a human right to vote, why is there an age limit? Why isn't it noted as an human right by any organization?

Fact is that voting in an election isn't a right at all. Only someone with poor realization of how the world works would even propose it should be.

Never mind the fact that the rant you are pulling is misguided, since everyone would under 'new politics' still be able to vote...

To retort with "Moron" would be a blight on the unfortunate mentally handicapped!

First, age limits.

"If it is a human right to vote, why is there an age limit?"

For the same reason Children are'nt allowed to "Sell butt" "drink Booze" or join Armies!To protect them until they are fully developed.Physically and Mentally.18 to 21 seems to be the universal Studied and agreed academic norm

For Adulthood.

And again you flame.

Don't confuse UN's adoption of any list as a basic human right. It's a political document by a political organization. But I'll give you one thing - which ofcourse I should have added a smailie after since whatever you say about anything you could probably find an organization that indeed prefers - is that an organization includes 'secret vote or by equivalent free voting procedures' as the basis of authority, however that doesn't mean automatically democracy. Neither does it mean PADs New Politics, however we think of it, goes against this list.

And nice to see that you have 'drink booze' as an explanation why a human right is excluded for some, with your blessing, without a moments afterthought by you.

Or nice that you in effect accept excluding some from 'basic human rights' - as long as You can dictate the terms.

A basic human right, and I don't see voting as one of them, embraces all humans. Hence the name.