What Is Your Opinion Of The Expat Scene In Thailand?

[fatfather]

Where ever you go to in the world you will always take yourself with. I cannot see a difference between Thailand, my home country or any other place in the world in the point of view of socialization. I settled down, got my family and neighbours arround, live my life and enjoy the days. Some people I like some not, independent from where they come from, locals or expats.

I have big fun with Thais and Expats as well, it's up to the individuals nothing else. I love Thailand and I don't miss my former western lifestyle in any way, I'm here now.

[SoiSource]

Ive lived in the suburbs of bangkok now for 7 months in a vilage complex, there are about 6 other farangs who live here to, if we pass each other we just nod or say hello, lol Im quite happy this way.

The only farangs i socialise with in thailand are my mates who live or visit here from my home town in the UK.

But answering the question i think expats keep themselves to them selves unless your a bar owner etc.

[SoiSource]

I forgot to say though if the expats around me where the same sort of age then i guess i might interact a bit more.

[GuestHouse]

When I think about the range of issues that would cause me to give any particular Farang in Thailand a wide berth, their attitude to Thailand 'overly negative' or conversely 'overly possitive' is not really that high up the list.

Though I find it intersting that once again a number of posters here launch into the familiar complaints about people holding/expressing negative views. (The whole thread is not about Farangs with negative views of Thailand, but don't let this stop the subject coming up.... any excuse it would seem).

This tendency for many Farangs to deny others a right to an opinion is an issue that would cause me to give them a wide berth, why so many Farangs believe they have the right to dictate the thoughts/feelings and expression of other Farangs is beyond me. Surely, if they were so secure in their own convictions they would not care what other people think or have to say.

Edited November 12, 2008 by GuestHouse

[bkkjames]

When I think about the range of issues that would cause me to give any particular Farang in Thailand a wide berth, their attitude to Thailand 'overly negative' or conversely 'overly possitive' is not really that high up the list.

Though I find it intersting that once again a number of posters here launch into the familiar complaints about people holding/expressing negative views. (The whole thread is not about Farangs with negative views of Thailand, but don't let this stop the subject coming up.... any excuse it would seem).

This tendency for many Farangs to deny others a right to an opinion is an issue that would cause me to give them a wide berth, why so many Farangs believe they have the right to dictate the thoughts/feelings and expression of other Farangs is beyond me. Surely, if they were so secure in their own convictions they would not care what other people think or have to say.

Are you saying you are insecure?

[FBN]

In addition to many good expats living in LOS, a great many of the farang expat population consists of misfits, drunks, crooks, perverts, anti-social types, or people that have escaped to LOS to take advantage of the the cheap housing, women, and whiskey. I think most farangs with any common sense tend to be more guarded and careful in choosing who they socialize with due to the vast number of losers and western society rejects living in LOS.

Good post!

I do think, though, that it depends very much upon where you live in Thailand.

I am lucky enough to live in an area in which most ferangs have chosen to set up home and raise a family, rather than just visit (or live by themselves) so the opportunity to build genuine relationships exists.

I can, though, fully understand why those who live in more "transient" areas, which seem to attract more of the people that you describe, will view others with suspicion.

Indeed.

"Ferang"? I assume this is a farang gone feral..? Just joking!!

Happy to be in Thailand without the farang community...

[t.s]

I have found the expats here not to be particularly friendly. Maybe 20% will acknowledge me when I see them on the street, restaurant, etc. They are not at all as friendly as the Thais. Maybe a lot of social misfits. Fortunately, I have a couple of good foreign friends, where I live, that I talk with regularly.

and do 20% of the thais you meet on the street acknowlege you? of course not, why would they?

Why should i go out of my way to talk to someone waiting for the skytrain simply because he is white, french, british etc?

[keestha]

To my experience, for a vibrant expat scene it needs something to center around: a golfing association, a bi-weekly meeting or party , or whatever. I have seen that expats who had been some place for a very long time (you would expect them to have a satisfying social life already), were interested right away when they learned that something like that had started.

Just having a few farang oriented bars around is not enough. Often there is a lot of people around who would like to have more of an expat scene, but if it has nothing to center around, it is not so likely to develop.

[bkkjames]

I have found the expats here not to be particularly friendly. Maybe 20% will acknowledge me when I see them on the street, restaurant, etc. They are not at all as friendly as the Thais. Maybe a lot of social misfits. Fortunately, I have a couple of good foreign friends, where I live, that I talk with regularly.

and do 20% of the thais you meet on the street acknowlege you? of course not, why would they?

Why should i go out of my way to talk to someone waiting for the skytrain simply because he is white, french, british etc?

Unlike say 'the Congo' or similar off the beaten track type places, seeing a farang on the street etc here in Bangkok is so common, I hardly even notice. I suspect the Thais do the same.

[t.s]

My over 20 years of living on and off in Thailand, I have only found a handful of my fellow expats that seem interested in becoming involved with other Farangs socially with exceptions to those who frequent the bar scene, (barmates) who will chat and when we are customers of some sort, visiting a Farang owned restaurant, bars etc.

Some Farangs may feel that Thailand is less open and far less accepting or tolerant of us than the Thais say they are, which can make one feel they are in an isolated situation and that the level of disinterest, or even rudeness occasionally illustrated by their fellow expats can be rather discerning and even considered as a type of discrimination towards their own kind, that rather puts a dampener on the whole Thai experience.

To my fellow expats, what is your opinion of the expat scene in Thailand? Do you feel that expats could be more hospitable and sociable to their peers here? Or now that you are living in Thailand, consider that this a new beginning and prefer to keep yourself to yourself, perhaps even reclusive?

What about the newbies? Would you like to see more expat support for expats? More expat social clubs, expat advice centres set up, especially for those trying to get adjusted to Thai life and don’t know the ropes yet.

Now as one of the few single expats out here that actually stays for longer than 4 months at a time I find that part of the reason is:

The age factor - Old, coffin dodgers who don't socialise that much. They just stay at home with the wife and kids and thats it. Getting them to come out and play is like trying to raise the titanic. But that's not their fault usually. But its just a reason.

The mentality - Even in my apartment which has a few younger farang in it there is this 'dam_n, another farang in Thailand' effect that you get. It's like you are spoiling their bubble by being near to them as they've come here to get away from white caucasians etc.

A very good expat-friend of mine and I summed it up like this:

The piss-head expats go to Patong beach, Phuket

The Whoremongers go to Pattaya (and Patong Beach to a lesser extent).

The piss-head expats who've got money, a proper expat company job and have a bit of sense to them go to Bangkok.

The Chill-heads, lay-backs and prima-donnas often end up in Chiang Mai and the other islands.

The Retiree's and statics end up in Hua Hin and Issan.

The unknowns and hiddens dwell in the south of Thailand and get up to their own thing down there, (never have figured them out yet)

Please don't take that to heart, it's just a rough generalisation for rule of thumb (typically).

For me I monger and drink from time to time (not at all right now) and chill and even static (but not much). It's the excess that gets you

Expats move around and don't always stay in one place, so there can be a 'changing of the guard' effect in a place over time.

An example of this was Chiang Mai pre-2000 when there were more characters and now it's less characters but more farangs in numbers

Now I've lived in Chiang Mai Province for xx months as a single dude and do find the place to be that bad but it is boring and the expats are very routinelike, married (often the wives have got them up their to be away from the big bad cities down south ). The whole 'expat club' scene is a bit too village-minded and group-think for my liking but it's a good way of meeting the local expats.

But the mentality of the locals and expats are more friendlier than say Bangkok where there is a more stand-offish, expat-snob mentality.

Yet the big city, naughty night-life expats are not usually boring and more characterful so you have a story or two to tell with/of them and there's usually sanuk etc etc.

So you've got good and bad sides to the whole scene depending on the area and crowd you hang out with.

The best crowd of expats (in general so far) were on the islands and in Hua Hin for me. They aren't perfect but there was a more even-handed mentality and 'all-round' quantity.

I am at ease in groups or as a rarely-seen solitaire who is just tinkering about doing some things and projects.

i do agree the whole negative boozy-ballshitters are unfortunately quite apparent out here there is something to take from this in experience and gaining knowledge on the what is and what isn't. Too much of that isn't a good thing.

Right now I'm on solitaire mode writing my books and projects etc etc, but next month it's into the sin-city expat scene.

The key is to keep on moving and don't stop in one place for too long. You never know what the next month brings and for me that is a part of lifes adventure. Too many expats forget that or trade it in for married life, which is a cool thing too

One thing that does piss me off are the people who seem to launch the whole moral crusades and wage these wars of words against the singletons and mongers doing there thing.

Expats choose their groove and if that's what they do, then that's what they do.

Sure, I don't agree with the nutcase lunatics, raging boozers/womanisers and primadonnas who seem to think they are walking demi-gods but it's a waste of time letting it get you down. You just swerve and move around that sht or play it off. You rarely should have to meet them head-on so to speak

blah blah

[dingdongrb]

I'm probably one of those non social types that so many of you don't understand. I happen to enjoy my own company and that of my Thai wife. My wife is a country girl. She doesn't own a dress or a tube of lipstick. She enjoys working on our two small farms and other than the actual tilling of the ground, I avoid the manual work.

Once a month or so, I meet up with a farang or two and have a few beers. My wife's family accept the fact that I'm a crotchety old fart and they respect my desire for privacy. Like most Thais, my wife is close to her family. Her family lives in the next village and my wife visits them on a daily basis. I'm perfectly content to stay at home. I have many projects to work on and don't get bored. This is my idea of a perfect retirement. I worked all my life looking forward to my laid back life style and I plan to enjoy it as long as I can. It's been several months since I wore long pants and shoes. I hope it is several more months before I have to dress uncomfortably.

I totally agree, although I am not quite there yet as I have yet to retire. Hopefully this will happen in 5 years or a tad bit more. Until then I have to slave away and in doing so I have a farang coworker who is always asking me to his house or to go out and have a few beers. I always decline because I want to spend time with my wife and daughter. I had my share of running the bars and drinking back in the USA, I don't need it here in LOS. I just want to work, spend time with my family, save money, and then retire at a young and healthy age. He has a hard time understanding this.

When I do retire it will be in Issan near where my in-laws live and I hope I am far enough from most farangs to live in a peaceful untroubled life of retirement. I have many plans and hobbies that will keep me busy without having the notion of always going out drinking and partying with the buds. But hey a BBQ or a poker night with a few friends a couple times a year would never hurt anyone.

As far as talking with other farangs, I am a very open person and seem to make friends everywhere I go. So yes, when I am in Surin or our little village and I see a farang I am usually the first to say, 'hello' and try to strike up a conversation. Do I need to? Probably not but I am a friendly person. Here in CM when I meet a farang, usually when I first make eye contact they tend to look away. maybe they are not so friendly, who knows. But in summary I don't really need the company, I have and love my family, they are the ones I want to be with, not these types such as those that I hopefully left behind in the USA by coming here.

Edited November 12, 2008 by sbk
photos removed-- off topic, intrusive and frankly, poor taste

[bkkjames]

I didn't give you permission to post my photo!

[OlRedEyes]

Though it may be true that Thailand, due to it's cheap 'n easy nightlife and lack of law 'n order, attracts a large amount of the much celebrated misfits, criminals et al, it is also true that expats in less-developed countries tend to be independent adventurous types. Not exactly the type of person that wants to spend many blissful hours in a group of people who try to drag him back to the good old home atmosphere and general stimulating chit-chat about how crap the pound, dollar or euro is, or how Blair 'n Bush make such a lovely couple....

For the same reason he prolly doesn't see why he should smile/wink at a passing long-nose to show their beautiful, close kinship in a land of us-against-them....

I enjoy stimulating conversation wih expats, but it is hard to find. Expats with stimulating minds tend to shy away from general contact, as it tends to be boooooooooring!!

Went to a bar the other night for the first time in a looooooong time with me lovely wife. Expat starts talking to me, I think great, some light relief. No go, Jose. Within minutes I had to get outta there or commit suicide.

This is a problem.

Edited November 12, 2008 by OlRedEyes

[FBN]

My sentiments exactly..

[IMA_FARANG]

My over 20 years of living on and off in Thailand, I have only found a handful of my fellow expats that seem interested in becoming involved with other Farangs socially with exceptions to those who frequent the bar scene, (barmates) who will chat and when we are customers of some sort, visiting a Farang owned restaurant, bars etc.

Some Farangs may feel that Thailand is less open and far less accepting or tolerant of us than the Thais say they are, which can make one feel they are in an isolated situation and that the level of disinterest, or even rudeness occasionally illustrated by their fellow expats can be rather discerning and even considered as a type of discrimination towards their own kind, that rather puts a dampener on the whole Thai experience.

To my fellow expats, what is your opinion of the expat scene in Thailand? Do you feel that expats could be more hospitable and sociable to their peers here? Or now that you are living in Thailand, consider that this a new beginning and prefer to keep yourself to yourself, perhaps even reclusive?

What about the newbies? Would you like to see more expat support for expats? More expat social clubs, expat advice centres set up, especially for those trying to get adjusted to Thai life and don't know the ropes yet.

Well to be honest I have my Thai family and their life to consider. Other Farangs usually don't concern me. Why? Because I have less to do with them, and less interest in the "entertainment" scene, (so-called) then I do with my family and their lives.

Be honest, how many farangs on this forum would head for another place as soon as they could if all the bars and brothels were closed down?

My personal guess is at least 50% of the farangs under 50 are just here for the booze and cheap/easy sex action.

To the rest, I apologise.

[Ulysses G.]

My personal guess is at least 50% of the farangs under 50 are just here for the booze and cheap/easy sex action.

At least 99% of the farangs under 100, would probably be more accurate.

[JimsKnight]

My over 20 years of living on and off in Thailand, I have only found a handful of my fellow expats that seem interested in becoming involved with other Farangs socially with exceptions to those who frequent the bar scene, (barmates) who will chat and when we are customers of some sort, visiting a Farang owned restaurant, bars etc.

Some Farangs may feel that Thailand is less open and far less accepting or tolerant of us than the Thais say they are, which can make one feel they are in an isolated situation and that the level of disinterest, or even rudeness occasionally illustrated by their fellow expats can be rather discerning and even considered as a type of discrimination towards their own kind, that rather puts a dampener on the whole Thai experience.

To my fellow expats, what is your opinion of the expat scene in Thailand? Do you feel that expats could be more hospitable and sociable to their peers here? Or now that you are living in Thailand, consider that this a new beginning and prefer to keep yourself to yourself, perhaps even reclusive?

What about the newbies? Would you like to see more expat support for expats? More expat social clubs, expat advice centres set up, especially for those trying to get adjusted to Thai life and don’t know the ropes yet.

Now as one of the few single expats out here that actually stays for longer than 4 months at a time I find that part of the reason is:

The age factor - Old, coffin dodgers who don't socialise that much. They just stay at home with the wife and kids and thats it. Getting them to come out and play is like trying to raise the titanic. But that's not their fault usually. But its just a reason.

The mentality - Even in my apartment which has a few younger farang in it there is this 'dam_n, another farang in Thailand' effect that you get. It's like you are spoiling their bubble by being near to them as they've come here to get away from white caucasians etc.

A very good expat-friend of mine and I summed it up like this:

The piss-head expats go to Patong beach, Phuket

The Whoremongers go to Pattaya (and Patong Beach to a lesser extent).

The piss-head expats who've got money, a proper expat company job and have a bit of sense to them go to Bangkok.

The Chill-heads, lay-backs and prima-donnas often end up in Chiang Mai and the other islands.

The Retiree's and statics end up in Hua Hin and Issan.

The unknowns and hiddens dwell in the south of Thailand and get up to their own thing down there, (never have figured them out yet)

Please don't take that to heart, it's just a rough generalisation for rule of thumb (typically).

For me I monger and drink from time to time (not at all right now) and chill and even static (but not much). It's the excess that gets you

Expats move around and don't always stay in one place, so there can be a 'changing of the guard' effect in a place over time.

An example of this was Chiang Mai pre-2000 when there were more characters and now it's less characters but more farangs in numbers

Now I've lived in Chiang Mai Province for xx months as a single dude and do find the place to be that bad but it is boring and the expats are very routinelike, married (often the wives have got them up their to be away from the big bad cities down south ). The whole 'expat club' scene is a bit too village-minded and group-think for my liking but it's a good way of meeting the local expats.

But the mentality of the locals and expats are more friendlier than say Bangkok where there is a more stand-offish, expat-snob mentality.

Yet the big city, naughty night-life expats are not usually boring and more characterful so you have a story or two to tell with/of them and there's usually sanuk etc etc.

So you've got good and bad sides to the whole scene depending on the area and crowd you hang out with.

The best crowd of expats (in general so far) were on the islands and in Hua Hin for me. They aren't perfect but there was a more even-handed mentality and 'all-round' quantity.

I am at ease in groups or as a rarely-seen solitaire who is just tinkering about doing some things and projects.

i do agree the whole negative boozy-ballshitters are unfortunately quite apparent out here there is something to take from this in experience and gaining knowledge on the what is and what isn't. Too much of that isn't a good thing.

Right now I'm on solitaire mode writing my books and projects etc etc, but next month it's into the sin-city expat scene.

The key is to keep on moving and don't stop in one place for too long. You never know what the next month brings and for me that is a part of lifes adventure. Too many expats forget that or trade it in for married life, which is a cool thing too

One thing that does piss me off are the people who seem to launch the whole moral crusades and wage these wars of words against the singletons and mongers doing there thing.

Expats choose their groove and if that's what they do, then that's what they do.

Sure, I don't agree with the nutcase lunatics, raging boozers/womanisers and primadonnas who seem to think they are walking demi-gods but it's a waste of time letting it get you down. You just swerve and move around that sht or play it off. You rarely should have to meet them head-on so to speak

blah blah

I'll take that as a compliment from you Mr Grimtooth

[JimsKnight]

Though it may be true that Thailand, due to it's cheap 'n easy nightlife and lack of law 'n order, attracts a large amount of the much celebrated misfits, criminals et al, it is also true that expats in less-developed countries tend to be independent adventurous types. Not exactly the type of person that wants to spend many blissful hours in a group of people who try to drag him back to the good old home atmosphere and general stimulating chit-chat about how crap the pound, dollar or euro is, or how Blair 'n Bush make such a lovely couple....

For the same reason he prolly doesn't see why he should smile/wink at a passing long-nose to show their beautiful, close kinship in a land of us-against-them....

I enjoy stimulating conversation wih expats, but it is hard to find. Expats with stimulating minds tend to shy away from general contact, as it tends to be boooooooooring!!

Went to a bar the other night for the first time in a looooooong time with me lovely wife. Expat starts talking to me, I think great, some light relief. No go, Jose. Within minutes I had to get outta there or commit suicide.

This is a problem.

Agreed. It seems that many of the adventurous types have moved on *somewhere* a good few years ago. I found them practically extinct up in Chiang Mai.

[polecat]

When you start to wonder what happened to all your cool, interesting buddies... maybe it's time to accept that you are just not cool or interesting any more.

[Spaniel]

In addition to many good expats living in LOS, a great many of the farang expat population consists of misfits, drunks, crooks, perverts, anti-social types, or people that have escaped to LOS to take advantage of the the cheap housing, women, and whiskey. I think most farangs with any common sense tend to be more guarded and careful in choosing who they socialize with due to the vast number of losers and western society rejects living in LOS.

Well said. I agree.

[gunnyd]

Personally I don't socialize with expats. I have a hard enough time dealing with my Philippine family to be bothered with getting to know any farangs. The wife is good enough companionship and entertainment, at least until I get the heck out of Bangkok. 10 months straight with 2 short holidays to the RP and Penang makes me yearn for the old home in Arizona

[mahtin]

Thai Visa forum is enough farang exposure for me.

With the advantage of surfing off elsewhere when enough is enough

P.S. Gary A, live forever.

[Sarge]

In addition to many good expats living in LOS, a great many of the farang expat population consists of misfits, drunks, crooks, perverts, anti-social types, or people that have escaped to LOS to take advantage of the the cheap housing, women, and whiskey. I think most farangs with any common sense tend to be more guarded and careful in choosing who they socialize with due to the vast number of losers and western society rejects living in LOS.

cor blimey, and you guys wonder why Thais don't have much respect for expats. You don't even like yourselves!

but he's got a point, most of these low lifers can be found in farang ghetto of the main tourist areas (bkk, pattaya, phuket etc...). There are two particularly despicable types: the over aged perverts, lecherous saddo who stalk Pattaya, they're mostly found cruising soi13 & Beach Rd; and the elderly destitute, sleeping in dingy bedsits, living off food hand-outs from loony political parties in BKK, they too get their jolly cruising the picket lines. These are truly the lowest of the low

[anonymouse]

In addition to many good expats living in LOS, a great many of the farang expat population consists of misfits, drunks, crooks, perverts, anti-social types, or people that have escaped to LOS to take advantage of the the cheap housing, women, and whiskey. I think most farangs with any common sense tend to be more guarded and careful in choosing who they socialize with due to the vast number of losers and western society rejects living in LOS.

I'm one of the expats who has come here to take advantage of the cheap housing, best to avoid me

[sassienie]

I’ve read all the responses to my thread, very interesting indeed. There are some great posts here, which explain all I wanted to know but was afraid to ask, so to speak.

But I am a little saddened by the views of the majority of the posters, I will try and explain.

I am a 56 year old, English guy born in Whitechapel, London. The last of the cockneys that now seem to be extinct. 200 years ago when I was a child, us Eastenders were a very communial lot of people. Many were still getting over the traumas of the war and lost many of their friends, neighbours and family members during the blitz that the East end took most of the brunt in London. Socializing with our neighbours was a regular event, our families were close, that included cousins, Aunts, Uncles not just the immediate family. Back in those days, neighbours actually spoke with each other and if you had a friend, that friend was normally for life.

That was our way of life and how I was brought up. Even during the 1970s and 1980s when I lived in France and Spain, us brit expats still gathered together socially in those foreign lands. It was the kruts, frogs, diegos and us who we considered normal and all the rest as being alien, they considered us the same, but it was never taken to heart and we had a sort of respect for each other. I laugh when I think back now.

Most of the elder family members of my parents generation are dead now and when they died they took with them the old ways of the community sprit and greatness of actual people contact.

Reading the negative views of some of the posters, I doubt whether this only pertains to expats living in Thailand but also to a new form of Western culture worldwide. I blame several factors for the causes, but mostly on technology. They used to say television killed the art of conversation, but on line computers with Skype, emails, chat lines and forums such as Thaivisa, social websites Facebook etc has killed the art of actual people contact. Also these days there is a lot of mistrust between people that puts a huge barrier on being able to break the ice and getting to know each other.

I don’t believe this is a good thing because the next generation will be a breed of people full of self interest, leading to the break up of the family unit and the community sprit will be a thing of the past, which seems to be already well under way.

Edited November 12, 2008 by sassienie

[PhilHarries]

I am a 56 year old, English guy born in Whitechapel, London.

Reading the negative views of some of the posters, I doubt whether this only pertains to expats living in Thailand but also to a new form of Western culture worldwide. I blame several factors for the causes, but mostly on technology. They used to say television killed the art of conversation, but on line computers with Skype, emails, chat lines and forums such as Thaivisa, social websites Facebook etc has killed the art of actual people contact. Also these days there is a lot of mistrust between people that puts a huge barrier on being able to break the ice and getting to know each other.

I don’t believe this is a good thing because the next generation will be a breed of people full of self interest, leading to the break up of the family unit and the community sprit will be a thing of the past, which seems to be already well under way.

Whitechapel? Is that still in the British sector or has it been ceded to the ayatollahs?

Seriously I think what you say is very true and merely a sad, to some of us, indication of the generation gap we all have to face at one time or another.

[polecat]

May I be the first to say...

If you don't like it, why don't you pack your bags and go home!

[Lancelot]

I see nothing wrong with acknowledging fellow farangs with a smile or whatever. we are sort of in this together- adjusting to a different culture etc. if they don't appreciate my friendliness it is their loss.

I'm with you girl x, I don't think it is being invasive or improper to say to say hello. I say hi to everyone and if they ignore me, I don't waste my or their time with future interactions

[patklang]

ANDYBLUE EYES.

your comments could ne any country in the world not just thailand.there is the expat club to go to if you need to mix with farangs on a regular basis.i have farang mates who i socialise with but have my own peace and quiet too.

[patklang]

In addition to many good expats living in LOS, a great many of the farang expat population consists of misfits, drunks, crooks, perverts, anti-social types, or people that have escaped to LOS to take advantage of the the cheap housing, women, and whiskey. I think most farangs with any common sense tend to be more guarded and careful in choosing who they socialize with due to the vast number of losers and western society rejects living in LOS.

cor blimey, and you guys wonder why Thais don't have much respect for expats. You don't even like yourselves!

but he's got a point, most of these low lifers can be found in farang ghetto of the main tourist areas (bkk, pattaya, phuket etc...). There are two particularly despicable types: the over aged perverts, lecherous saddo who stalk Pattaya, they're mostly found cruising soi13 & Beach Rd; and the elderly destitute, sleeping in dingy bedsits, living off food hand-outs from loony political parties in BKK, they too get their jolly cruising the picket lines. These are truly the lowest of the low

sounds like you mix in very strange circles,and whats the interest at soi 13????

the sportsmans????