Police Asked To Press Terrorism Charges Against Pad Leaders

[permanent_disorder]

Same goes for accompanying images - please post a link if you find articles that contain anything other than PAD guards caught in the acts of violence.

hehh, that is my question.

since month i reiterate that, please post a link that explain me that PAD do the right things and is good for thailand.

there are no reports that back up the fantasy that the PAD is a non-violent movement.

[samgrowth]

quiksilva wrote:

"The BBC recently reported that the PAD had taken over the control tower of Suvarnaphumi Airport, which is a very major deal but in fact it never happened!!!"

Sadly, in my opinion, the BBC can no longer be trusted to be factually correct, truthful, or impartial anymore, not just with Thai news, but with most news. They seem to be obsessed with creating news, as can be seen by their continual requests for people to send reports from whatever is the current hot news topic.

BBC never lie. Only PAD does that.

[animatic]

quiksilva wrote:

"The BBC recently reported that the PAD had taken over the control tower of Suvarnaphumi Airport, which is a very major deal but in fact it never happened!!!"

Sadly, in my opinion, the BBC can no longer be trusted to be factually correct, truthful, or impartial anymore, not just with Thai news, but with most news. They seem to be obsessed with creating news, as can be seen by their continual requests for people to send reports from whatever is the current hot news topic.

BBC never lie. Only PAD does that.

No, now.

Mother Beeb just gets it wrong so often 'Mock The Week'

hardly knows when to satirize them or not.

BBC does it too well themselves.

[Livinginexile]

Trying to prosecute the PAD leaders will only inflame the situation--but what the Thai Authorities need to do now is make sure this does not happen again..on Dec 8 or whenever the PAD decides to protest again the airport or seaports, their convoys of protesters should be met by roadblocks armed with machine guns..and if they try to shut down vital economic arteries again, it's gonna be time to blow some of them away tienamen square style.

Lovely...I completely agree

[sriracha john]

protesters should be met by roadblocks armed with machine guns..and if they try to shut down vital economic arteries again, it's gonna be time to blow some of them away

Lovely...I completely agree

This sort of advocacy for un-repressed murder has no place on Thaivisa...

[Ulysses G.]

Same goes for accompanying images - please post a link if you find articles that contain anything other than PAD guards caught in the acts of violence.

hehh, that is my question.

since month i reiterate that, please post a link that explain me that PAD do the right things and is good for thailand.

there are no reports that back up the fantasy that the PAD is a non-violent movement.

Right on!

[Plus]

Here, PAD is briefly mentioned in this AP report and they didn't use the word "fascist".

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/Democrats-Fo...75#entry2399775

[sriracha john]

Medical Conditions of Injured Anti-Government Supporters

An anti-government supporter who was injured in an M-79 grenade attack on November 29 was allowed to return home while the two other victims of the October 7 crackdown are still under a doctor's close watch.

Supporter of the People's Alliance for Democracy or PAD from Chumporn Province, 47-year-old Thanya Kulkaew or Jab, who lost one of her legs during the bloodshed on October 7 is still under the doctor's treatment at Chulalongkorn University.

A doctor disclosed that the wounds on her body and right leg have recovered, but physical therapy is needed.

Another victim of the same incident, Rungthiwa Chartniyom, is also under the doctor's care at the Queen Sirikit's Building in Chulalongkorn Hospital.

Though he has been removed from respiratory machines, Rungthiwa is still receiving food from a tube and the only thing she can do is blink her eyes.

Chonburi PAD member, 58-year-old Suphanna Suttawattana, who was injured in an M-79 grenade attack at Government House on November 29, has been allowed to return home. The doctor said a part of the bomb is embedded at her epicardium.

- TOC / 2008-12-11

[Plus]

http://nationmultimedia.com/2008/12/12/opi...on_30090774.php

"..it is quite incredible that The Economist, the International Herald Tribune, and other international media have agreed to turn themselves into parrots.

They are now putting the blame for the Thai crisis on the monarchy. They are painting a simplistic picture of a very complicated situation and alleging that the monarchy has got involved in politics to protect its interests and privileges while all the time seeking shelter under the lese majeste law."

I'm not sure if this quote from the Nation complies with forum rules, I'll refrain from all comments on this article for the time being.

[Plus]

Also and interesting quote from Crispin that goes well in response to the Economist (parts edited out):

"... the country is now in the throes of an intense power struggle between two elite camps which has little to do with democracy or class struggle, as popularly presented...

To lay the blame for Thailand's dysfunctional democracy and collapsing social order at .............. feet, as some international media have done in recent days, seems critically misplaced in light of the various stakeholders who are more clearly contributing to the country's recent instability."

Generally I'd just disagree that Thaksin backers represent any kind of a camp in a traditional sense. No one wants to pay for this nonsense anymore and only loudmouths like Nattawut and Jatuporn have left standing there. No one will pay 55mil for a defection, only talk - they need 30-40 MPs, that's up to 2 billion baht.

Of course the PTP MPs have some money and power in their own right, but nothing comparing to heavy weights backing Dem led coalition.

[younghusband]

http://nationmultimedia.com/2008/12/12/opi...on_30090774.php

"..it is quite incredible that The Economist, the International Herald Tribune, and other international media have agreed to turn themselves into parrots.

They are now putting the blame for the Thai crisis on the monarchy. They are painting a simplistic picture of a very complicated situation and alleging that the monarchy has got involved in politics to protect its interests and privileges while all the time seeking shelter under the lese majeste law."

I'm not sure if this quote from the Nation complies with forum rules, I'll refrain from all comments on this article for the time being.

The fact it was written by that moron Thanong is all the comment that needs to be made.

[Plus]

The fact that there's a lot more to PAD-Thaksin struggle than Economist theory is just that - a fact.

There's such a broad support for Dem led government that it's plain silly to reduce it all to some conspiracy theory based on a banned book.

[Journalist]

^I meant the print edition.

Print media survives! (But only just - and hanging on by its fingertips!)

[younghusband]

The fact that there's a lot more to PAD-Thaksin struggle than Economist theory is just that - a fact.

There's such a broad support for Dem led government that it's plain silly to reduce it all to some conspiracy theory based on a banned book.

My point was really just that Thanong is a clueless moron.Surely you don't dispute that

On your substantive point it's not a question of a "conspiracy theory based on a banned book" (itself just repeating what is comparitively common knowledge.)

It's perfectly legitimate to say the Dem asumption of power is the result devoutly wished for by the coup makers and their backers.At the same time I agree the national mood is in favour of giving Abhisit a chance.

[citizen33]

Re Plus's latest post, I was amazed to see him write 'now saying'. Isn't he aware that these things have been debated for months if not years and does he ever go outside to hear the gossip among ordinary people on the street? He might want to go back and find the link to a Prem interview from early 2008 that I posted a few weeks ago. Been here for years but hasn't got a clue!

[Plus]

According to Economist itself Thomas Easton moved to Hong Kong as Asia Business Editor only in 2007. He was New York Bureau Chief before that. What does he know about Thai politics in general or the current crisis that started two years before his arrival? I guess not much more than a regular Thaivisa poster.

I doubt he wrote that article himself (it's unsigned).

[Plus]

Re Plus's latest post, I was amazed to see him write 'now saying'.

Can't find me typing that on this page.

[Plus]

national mood is in favour of giving Abhisit a chance.

Apparently not as it seen from Economist offices.

New Mandala folks also seem to miss on that.

Thanong is not as stupid as you think. Have you seen his series on 1997 economic crisis? He knows at least that slice of the society inside out for, like, ten generations.

[Journalist]

According to Economist itself Thomas Easton moved to Hong Kong as Asia Business Editor only in 2007. He was New York Bureau Chief before that. What does he know about Thai politics in general or the current crisis that started two years before his arrival? I guess not much more than a regular Thaivisa poster.

I doubt he wrote that article himself (it's unsigned).

Yes, but he can pass your story on if you want to broaden your audience. He's in the Bureau.

People pass leads around in newsrooms. Better than sending it to the mail boy or the tea lady !

The Economist never bylines.

Edited December 12, 2008 by Journalist

[citizen33]

Re Plus and Economist.

The exact quote was 'They are now putting the blame...' I'd say 'now saying' is a fair paraphrase, 'now' being the operative word. Anyway the substantive point holds.

[Plus]

Citizen33, I don't remember the Economist clearly subscribing to that line of thinking prior to this article. My first thought when I saw it was - they finally laid their cards on the table after dancing around for so long.

The theory itself is nothing new, of course.

[Samuian]

The fact that there's a lot more to PAD-Thaksin struggle than Economist theory is just that - a fact.

There's such a broad support for Dem led government that it's plain silly to reduce it all to some conspiracy theory based on a banned book.

Sorry, to correct this - but just to get straight right I would put it as:

Taxins business interests and unsatisfiable thirst for power vs. PAD, the thai establishment all the way up to HM, against ANYONE who would dare to stay in his path!

think unless he is stopped, there is nothing which will stop this mudslide...

And if you are a reporter and been told the same story from various sources and maybe whispered "did you ever know.." campaigns.. what would you do - if you don't have a real picture of the situation on the surface, just with a glance it does look like they are reporting - that is why they are falling for it and hey the PR money for advertising contacts - every paper needs this money to make it... has done the same here in Thailand couldn't win the hearts of iTV people, so he bought it and sacked them!

my 2 cents...

[Old Man River]

national mood is in favour of giving Abhisit a chance.

Apparently not as it seen from Economist offices.

New Mandala folks also seem to miss on that.

Thanong is not as stupid as you think. Have you seen his series on 1997 economic crisis? He knows at least that slice of the society inside out for, like, ten generations.

I agree on Thanong. Nice guy, fun to debate with and yes, during the 1997 a great asset as to understanding what was going on. Over the years I have learned a lot from him.

[TAWP]

http://nationmultimedia.com/2008/12/12/opi...on_30090774.php

"..it is quite incredible that The Economist, the International Herald Tribune, and other international media have agreed to turn themselves into parrots.

They are now putting the blame for the Thai crisis on the monarchy. They are painting a simplistic picture of a very complicated situation and alleging that the monarchy has got involved in politics to protect its interests and privileges while all the time seeking shelter under the lese majeste law."

I'm not sure if this quote from the Nation complies with forum rules, I'll refrain from all comments on this article for the time being.

The fact it was written by that moron Thanong is all the comment that needs to be made.

I just love the irony where you attack others for stating such exact things against someone that you like and refer to.

[Steve2UK]

http://nationmultimedia.com/2008/12/12/opi...on_30090774.php

"..it is quite incredible that The Economist, the International Herald Tribune, and other international media have agreed to turn themselves into parrots.

They are now putting the blame for the Thai crisis on the monarchy. They are painting a simplistic picture of a very complicated situation and alleging that the monarchy has got involved in politics to protect its interests and privileges while all the time seeking shelter under the lese majeste law."

I'm not sure if this quote from the Nation complies with forum rules, I'll refrain from all comments on this article for the time being.

The fact it was written by that moron Thanong is all the comment that needs to be made.

I just love the irony where you attack others for stating such exact things against someone that you like and refer to.

Given the tag-team style of goading that continues to characterise so much of the proceedings here, I think all of us can be forgiven for the occasional lapse into shorthand and less than fully expressed/opinions. "Let him who is without sin cast the first stone" - any takers to pick up the rock?

Regarding Thanong, there are widely varying opinions. Those interested in light rather than heat will find food for thought here:

http://bangkokpundit.blogspot.com/2008/12/...-source-of.html

Regarding irony........... I find it a greater irony that The Economist is blithely dismissed as knowing/understanding nothing and/or simply peddling a propaganda line fed to it by Sam Moon on behalf of Thaksin - whereas I have yet to see any questioning of Shawn Crispin's impartial status in writing the article for Asia Times Online from which Plus is happy to quote.

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Southeast_Asia/JL06Ae01.html

Yet, Asia Times Online is the successor to Asia Times - which was founded by Sondhi.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asia_Times

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asia_Times_Online

Could be a coincidence, but then again......... sauce for the goose and all that.

[quiksilva]

Steve2UK I have already alluded to my issues Crispin's objectivity as he has had lese majeste charges brought against him when he was reporting for FEER, and I have thought that many of his stories have had an overly negative slant. However I personally think his most recent article in the Asia Times is an example of one of his better stories.

[TAWP]

Steve2UK>> Both Crispins texts as well as the magazine Asia Times have already been criticized here.

[Old Man River]

Regarding Thanong, there are widely varying opinions. Those interested in light rather than heat will find food for thought here:

http://bangkokpundit.blogspot.com/2008/12/...-source-of.html

Since this thread, or any for that matter, isn't about Thanong I will say this and leave it. I keep an open mind and believe I can learn from pretty much anyone (probably at some point even you). Hence, while you may consistently see somethings as of little value, it doesn't mean it always is.

[Steve2UK]

Regarding Thanong, there are widely varying opinions. Those interested in light rather than heat will find food for thought here:

http://bangkokpundit.blogspot.com/2008/12/...-source-of.html

Since this thread, or any for that matter, isn't about Thanong I will say this and leave it. I keep an open mind and believe I can learn from pretty much anyone (probably at some point even you). Hence, while you may consistently see somethings as of little value, it doesn't mean it always is.

Sorry - I don't have the faintest idea what your last sentence means. See what things as of little value - consistently or otherwise?

[Steve2UK]

Steve2UK>> Both Crispins texts as well as the magazine Asia Times have already been criticized here.

I did look and did try searching - but (as you probably know) the post search function is still not working. I won't ask you to point out the previous mention of the point I'm raising about Asia Times Online, but I would ask you if the criticism then expressed was about its ownership/affiliations. If it was, then I'm sorry I missed it. I think you realise that my point relates to dismissing The Economist content on the one hand yet accepting Asia Times Online content on the other.

Having read both articles (as well as others in both publications), I find them each illuminating and each, of course, inevitably written from somewhat different perspectives - and valid within those perspectives and their limitations. In line with the approach that others have described, I look to a range of sources in order to form my own opinions.

@ quiksilva: as I hope I've indicated above, I'm not setting out to condemn Crispin's article (leave alone just because of where it was published) - but I am questioning the criteria given for distrusting the Economist article when those same criteria appear not to be applied even-handedly to Asia Times Online content.