Red-shirt Tactics

[Insight]

Extreme deja-vu here. Has big lips made *another*, more recent call to the BBC making the same claim, or is the BKK Post picking up a week old story here for whatever reason?

Hang on - just while typing this to recheck the original BKK Post article it looks as if it's been pulled from their site.

[sriracha john]

The red-shirt key leader said the red-shirt group loves democracy

How does one Red Shirt Leader reconcile statements like above while having Communism advocates as other Red Shirt Leaders?

Former Communist Party of Thailand member and current Red Shirt Leader Surachai Danwattananusorn turns himself in.

Manager / 2009-04-27

Red Shirt Key Leader Reports to Police

A red-shirt leader, who stormed the ASEAN Summit in Pattaya, reported to the Nakhon Si Thammarat police to hear the charges against him.

Surachai Danwattananusorn, one of the red shirt leaders, stands accused of storming the ASEAN Summit in Pattaya and illegal weapons possession, which he used to threaten a supporter of the Privy Council President.

He showed up wearing a Communist Party of Thailand uniform and was accompanied by his lawyer.

[TAWP]

How can it be so difficult to see that PTP is now using exactly the same tactics as PAD did last fall? Supporters of both the reds and yellows are clowns.

Ofcourse a big grouping of both are. But I have yet to see you criticize anything really that the UDD/reds has done...

Atleast I still hold it that we would be better of if there would be a nice little cleansing of all politicians and bureaucrats in this country and I got to fill their positions with good people under a developing-period until all the old bad blood is gone.

[ThNiner]

How does one Red Shirt Leader reconcile statements like above while having Communism advocates as other Red Shirt Leaders?

No problem. This picture clearly has been photoshopped you know. The news sources, TAN, also is not credible. Gov't propaganda. This dude used to receive a medal from Abhisit. He also freelances as a yellow shirt reporter, and has been financially supported by either Newin or Suthep or Prem or the invisible hand. And yeah, I love democracy, peace and the King.

[Plus]

we would be better of if there would be a nice little cleansing of all politicians and bureaucrats in this country and I got to fill their positions with good people under a developing-period until all the old bad blood is gone.

That sounds like we need a military coup to ensure smooth transition to new politics.

Unfortunately, no one is in a position to pull off successful coup now, and nothing will get better until reds and yellows unite in a fight of people vs politicians.

[Samuian]

Red Shirt Leader Surachai Danwattananusorn

...this guy and his costume is one proof that many of them

are not only out of time, out of tune, but absolutely out of mind!

the communist era is over since nearly 20 decades!

Here on the Laem Din Market runs a guy around in some

sort of a fantasy uniform and collects tins, cans, plastic bottles

for a livin' maybe the red's need a new recruit... i'll talk to him -

maybe he want's to share his wisdom with them!

Edited April 28, 2009 by Samuian

[warfie]

20 decades, eh?

[animatic]

How does one Red Shirt Leader reconcile statements like above while having Communism advocates as other Red Shirt Leaders?

No problem. This picture clearly has been photoshopped you know. The news sources, TAN, also is not credible. Gov't propaganda. This dude used to receive a medal from Abhisit. He also freelances as a yellow shirt reporter, and has been financially supported by either Newin or Suthep or Prem or the invisible hand. And yeah, I love democracy, peace and the King.

Sorry I have close to 20 years of Photoshop expirence and

I see no discernible difference between most details and the communist insignia and badges etc.

Partly that is because the pixeling is quite high, but usual smoothing and pasting techniques leave

artifacts than require smoothing and the smoothing is not evident in the picture when magnified.

So no this picture was NOT clearly Photoshopped,

but this guy still seems out of time and out of touch.

Like I have said the Red Shirts are a bunch of different groups

hitching their wagons around Thaksin's purse strings

to bring down the government and create anarchy.

From anarchy EACH little group hopes to wrest control

for their philosophical or profit motive ends.

Edited April 28, 2009 by animatic

[ThNiner]

Here are a few more photoshopped pictures...this time Arisman has been added.

[animatic]

Balderdash.

[BigSnake]

somebody with experience please tell me your honest and professional opinion.

Do you think he has had a nose job?

Not pro, I would say YES

[sriracha john]

Extreme deja-vu here. Has big lips made *another*, more recent call to the BBC making the same claim, or is the BKK Post picking up a week old story here for whatever reason?

Hang on - just while typing this to recheck the original BKK Post article it looks as if it's been pulled from their site.

It did disappear... and now... it's back... BP is running some sort of magic show?

[nitecm]

we would be better of if there would be a nice little cleansing of all politicians and bureaucrats in this country and I got to fill their positions with good people under a developing-period until all the old bad blood is gone.

That sounds like we need a military coup to ensure smooth transition to new politics.

Unfortunately, no one is in a position to pull off successful coup now, and nothing will get better until reds and yellows unite in a fight of people vs politicians.

Good ideas because they better then the least .

But that is part of their culture and too many people rely it to survive .May be they only can improve slowly,ie 50 or 100 years.If they change too fast ,too many people's will lost too much benefit and will oppose by too many people .

[animatic]

Not pro, I would say YES

RightyO Not as good as some but not bad.

There was a Katoey doing amateur nose jobs passing around the country including here,

Idiot injected chicken cartilage in a friends nose and it has collapsed,

and the immune system fight has ruined her own original cartilage,

her nose has collapsed and looks like she was punched...

and it's the price of a new set of GOOD tits to repair the damage...

Really sucks.

Jaki 'Jackrabbit' Pob could use a visit with this specialist me thinks.

[dkt]

Here are a few more photoshopped pictures...this time Arisman has been added.

Koo82 should be able to explain well why her democracy is in communist uniform

[HagenvonTronje]

PM: Communists still active

By: BangkokPost.com Published: 28/04/2009 at 03:53 PM

Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva says there is still a communist movement in the country, but he believes the general public would reject it.

He was commenting after the National Intelligence Coordinating Centre reported on Monday that some groups of people were conducting illegal political activities similar to those of the dissolved Communist Party of Thailand (CPT).

Mr Abhisit said it was clear there was still a comunist movement inThailand. However, he was confident most people in the country were opposed to communism.

...

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[HagenvonTronje]

PM: Communists still active

By: BangkokPost.com Published: 28/04/2009 at 03:53 PM

Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva says there is still a communist movement in the country, but he believes the general public would reject it.

He was commenting after the National Intelligence Coordinating Centre reported on Monday that some groups of people were conducting illegal political activities similar to those of the dissolved Communist Party of Thailand (CPT).

Mr Abhisit said it was clear there was still a comunist movement inThailand. However, he was confident most people in the country were opposed to communism.

...

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oh, oh. now it get's scarry.

that old red dress man with party uniform, okay funny for the moment, but not good for the running gag. and just label one as communist isn't winning the debate. but when abhist or the NICC suddenly find out there are commies around, than the things bekome very fishy.

not every commie is a Maoist rebel on the Shining Path. some marxists across the institiution or even parliament the western democracies can stand.

here at the board are also a few self labled commies. and that are not reds or thaksin fans, i saw them kooo flaming. anyway,

that communist label means in thailand something else. i means that they want to kill the King. that is what average majority of thais knows and think about communists.They want to kill the King.

the same was said about the 1976 thammasat students. they are all communists. and a mob moved in and killed them. not many question asked and it's also difficult to discuss. the protest was against the return of ex dictator Thanom Kittikachorn, who got kicked out in the 1973 protests.

Thanom came back, lived a civilian life, quiet. and was surprisingly nominated as Honorary Royal Guard by the then PM Chuan Leekpai.

died over 90 years old and his cremation ceremony was presided by Queen Sirikit and Princess Chulabhorn.

i linked to blog of his greart great granddaughter and how she describes him and the cermation. she has a different view point. that should not be your first source of information. but for some reason i wanted to link to that cermation. if you don't know Thanom, do additional google search. he was an anticommunist- junta general.

and if now again protesters get called communists, that means they have to face the ultimate crackdown. forget abhisits western education or that he is in an party called democrats, he is not what it looks like for foreigner eyes.. Abhisit tighten measures. we will see more LM charges. censorship and it's maybe time to open the eyes and not just concentrate on thaksin bashing.

it send also out a message between the lines, when Thanong from The Nation writes a blog entry about Wat Bowonniwet The King went into monkhood at this temple. Thanom, 1976 on is return as well. to be a monk there.

[samgrowth]

In a true democracy, communist is allowed. There are communist party in France, US, etc, etc.

However, it Thailand, the word communist is like a witch in the old days Europe (and current day India). Anyone being label as a communist must be drag out into the open square, and burnt to death. Well not literally now, but will definately go to jail without trail or any possibility of release.

Is this part of the PM media war on the red?

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/08/22/...in1918803.shtml

Edited April 29, 2009 by samgrowth

[webfact]

PHEU THAI

'Rats' waiting to jump Thaksin's sinking ship

By Piyanart Srivalo

The Nation

Published on April 29, 2009

'Rats' waiting to jump Thaksin's sinking ship

110 MPs said to want to join new party after Thaksin/reds' debacle

The Pheu Thai Party has become a "sinking ship", with the red-shirt led Songkran Day mayhem backfiring on them and their big boss, the ousted former prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra, a source from the party said.

The source said that not only has public sentiment turned against the red-clad protesters, but people are looking at the Pheu Thai Party - known as belonging to Thaksin - in a negative light.

It was reported that around 110 out of 187 part MPs were thinking of jumping ship and joining a different party for the next elections. Earlier some Pheu Thai MPs in the Northeast decided to join Newin Chidchob's Bhum Jai Thai party.

Another reason for jumping ship was that the MPs are uncertain about political direction Thaksin will take.

"We have to listen to the voice of the public, gain the upper hand and build voters' support. We don't know how far the boss will go or what the consequences will be," the source, who asked not to be named, said referring to a recent discussion among Pheu Thai MPs.

As far as they are concerned, Thaksin has a negative public image and they need to move away and look for ways to cope with the situation, the source said.

"In the past, Thaksin did not seem to care about us. The only thing he wanted was victory, without any thought of the consequences. That put us in trouble," another MP lamented.

The trouble within the party forced Thaksin to turn to his ex-wife Khunying Pojaman Damapong, another source said.

Pojaman reportedly asked MP Chaiya Sasomsap to help unify the MPs and make peace with some senior figures in the Democrat-led government under the guise of bringing about reconciliation. Chaiya is said to have close connections with Newin.

Meanwhile, former executive of the now-defunct Thai Rak Thai Party, Prommin Lertsuridej, said he had never been asked to lead the red shirts because he was not involved or interested in the movement and had no political motives even though he had been granted amnesty to enter politics.

Earlier, there were reports that Thaksin had tried to start a new strategy by using his inner-circle, consisting of "October People" like Prommin, Poomtham Vejjayachai, Chaturon Chaisaeng and Kriangkamol Laohapairoj, to create a second-generation of red-shirt leaders.

Thaksin wanted them to bring back the mass support he lost during the Songran riots and rebuild his support base. The "October People" are believed to be talented in mass politics thanks to the experience they gathered during the student uprising in October 1973.

[sriracha john]

110 MPs said to want to join new party after Thaksin/reds' debacle

new thread started on topic:

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/Rats-Waiting...ki-t261211.html

[Ricardo]

In a true democracy, communist is allowed. There are communist party in France, US, etc, etc.

However, it Thailand, the word communist is like a witch in the old days Europe (and current day India). Anyone being label as a communist must be drag out into the open square, and burnt to death. Well not literally now, but will definately go to jail without trail or any possibility of release.

One can understand why the CPT were banned in the '70s, but it is harder to understand why they remain so today, except perhaps that they make a convenient 'boogie-man' for just about everybody.

In a true democracy it would be OK to hold any view you wanted. But unfortunately neither the Thaksin/TRT nor the Democrat governments saw fit to remove this out-dated ban.

A cynic might conclude, it's all very well being in favour of claiming to be on the side of the poor, but nobody wants a party which actually is on their side. Too much like competition, that would be ! Not, I hasten to add, that I regard communism as a viable real-world alternative, or imune to corruption or special-pleading, or in any way likely to stand a chance of actually gaining power here.

But it would be nice if this were viewed as a freedom-issue, and the ban were lifted, some 40-odd years later.

[kurtgruen]

The red-shirt key leader said the red-shirt group loves democracy

How does one Red Shirt Leader reconcile statements like above while having Communism advocates as other Red Shirt Leaders?

Former Communist Party of Thailand member and current Red Shirt Leader Surachai Danwattananusorn turns himself in.

Manager / 2009-04-27

Red Shirt Key Leader Reports to Police

A red-shirt leader, who stormed the ASEAN Summit in Pattaya, reported to the Nakhon Si Thammarat police to hear the charges against him.

Surachai Danwattananusorn, one of the red shirt leaders, stands accused of storming the ASEAN Summit in Pattaya and illegal weapons possession, which he used to threaten a supporter of the Privy Council President.

He showed up wearing a Communist Party of Thailand uniform and was accompanied by his lawyer.

Personally, I think he looks cute. ;-)

[Crushdepth]

Then jakrabob got himself into big trouble with his English language comments at the Thai. Foreign Press Club about the establishment. Now he's up on charges for lese majeste.

His apallingly incompetent comments are captured in a highly amusing Youtube video. Even Thaksin lovers will want to slap Jakrapob's stupid head after watching that.

Different tactics would be used to confront the government, including possible clandestine subversion or armed attacks, he said.

And people accused the *PAD* of 'terrorism'...

[Insight]

Then jakrabob got himself into big trouble with his English language comments at the Thai. Foreign Press Club about the establishment. Now he's up on charges for lese majeste.

His apallingly incompetent comments are captured in a highly amusing Youtube video. Even Thaksin lovers will want to slap Jakrapob's stupid head after watching that.

Different tactics would be used to confront the government, including possible clandestine subversion or armed attacks, he said.

And people accused the *PAD* of 'terrorism'...

You wouldn't, by any chance, have a link to the above mentioned YouTube video would you?

[animatic]

In a true democracy, communist is allowed. There are communist party in France, US, etc, etc.

However, it Thailand, the word communist is like a witch in the old days Europe (and current day India). Anyone being label as a communist must be drag out into the open square, and burnt to death. Well not literally now, but will definately go to jail without trail or any possibility of release.

One can understand why the CPT were banned in the '70s, but it is harder to understand why they remain so today, except perhaps that they make a convenient 'boogie-man' for just about everybody.

In a true democracy it would be OK to hold any view you wanted. But unfortunately neither the Thaksin/TRT nor the Democrat governments saw fit to remove this out-dated ban.

A cynic might conclude, it's all very well being in favour of claiming to be on the side of the poor, but nobody wants a party which actually is on their side. Too much like competition, that would be ! Not, I hasten to add, that I regard communism as a viable real-world alternative, or imune to corruption or special-pleading, or in any way likely to stand a chance of actually gaining power here.

But it would be nice if this were viewed as a freedom-issue, and the ban were lifted, some 40-odd years later.

If you consider Laos government sits right next door, and the Khemr Rouge as being recent history,

and Viet Nam a hop away too, the lock down on Communist party in a relatively YOUNG country

like Thailand is not illogical.

When it was banned there was active attempts to attach Thailand to the communist SE asia axis,

and it scared the piss out of most leaders and many of them are now senior father figures and have good memories.

So I am not surprised the laws were not changed, Thailand is not stable enough... yet.

And look who the un-reconstructed commies are hitching their wagon to these days...

[HagenvonTronje]

In a true democracy, communist is allowed. There are communist party in France, US, etc, etc.

However, it Thailand, the word communist is like a witch in the old days Europe (and current day India). Anyone being label as a communist must be drag out into the open square, and burnt to death. Well not literally now, but will definately go to jail without trail or any possibility of release.

One can understand why the CPT were banned in the '70s, but it is harder to understand why they remain so today, except perhaps that they make a convenient 'boogie-man' for just about everybody.

In a true democracy it would be OK to hold any view you wanted. But unfortunately neither the Thaksin/TRT nor the Democrat governments saw fit to remove this out-dated ban.

A cynic might conclude, it's all very well being in favour of claiming to be on the side of the poor, but nobody wants a party which actually is on their side. Too much like competition, that would be ! Not, I hasten to add, that I regard communism as a viable real-world alternative, or imune to corruption or special-pleading, or in any way likely to stand a chance of actually gaining power here.

But it would be nice if this were viewed as a freedom-issue, and the ban were lifted, some 40-odd years later.

If you consider Laos government sits right next door, and the Khemr Rouge as being recent history,

and Viet Nam a hop away too, the lock down on Communist party in a relatively YOUNG country

like Thailand is not illogical.

When it was banned there was active attempts to attach Thailand to the communist SE asia axis,

and it scared the piss out of most leaders and many of them are now senior father figures and have good memories.

So I am not surprised the laws were not changed, Thailand is not stable enough... yet.

And look who the un-reconstructed commies are hitching their wagon to these days...

that senior figures and the people behind are easy to point out. and in thailand it was for long time used as scare tactic and to snip out a movement you don't like.

the thammasat students got declared for commies and than they got murdered. the brave city people came to have a look at this unlucky guy at sanam luang.

now thaksin works suddendly with leftist together, no idea about who they are talking there. maybe the octoberist co founder of TRT.

call them commie, come up with LM charges, reduce freedom, secure your own power and that for your old, old family.

get labeld as commie means - you are not thai, you are against the king. that is the way how they try their crackdown. perfidy.

the exaggeration of the commie accusation nothing as propaganda.

and soon we will here a big lament about the foreign press who got everything wrong.

edit: the photo, only the pink man is editet.i will not compare thaksin with that victim, but look at the crowd, the onlookers, that is really disturbing.

on the tree, that only one alone unlucky commie. only one commie died.

remember those words of samak. only possible because it's so difficult in thailand to get the history books right.

Edited April 29, 2009 by LivinginKata
Disturbing image removed

[LawnGnome]

In a true democracy, communist is allowed. There are communist party in France, US, etc, etc.

However, it Thailand, the word communist is like a witch in the old days Europe (and current day India). Anyone being label as a communist must be drag out into the open square, and burnt to death. Well not literally now, but will definately go to jail without trail or any possibility of release.

One can understand why the CPT were banned in the '70s, but it is harder to understand why they remain so today, except perhaps that they make a convenient 'boogie-man' for just about everybody.

In a true democracy it would be OK to hold any view you wanted. But unfortunately neither the Thaksin/TRT nor the Democrat governments saw fit to remove this out-dated ban.

A cynic might conclude, it's all very well being in favour of claiming to be on the side of the poor, but nobody wants a party which actually is on their side. Too much like competition, that would be ! Not, I hasten to add, that I regard communism as a viable real-world alternative, or imune to corruption or special-pleading, or in any way likely to stand a chance of actually gaining power here.

But it would be nice if this were viewed as a freedom-issue, and the ban were lifted, some 40-odd years later.

If you consider Laos government sits right next door, and the Khemr Rouge as being recent history,

and Viet Nam a hop away too, the lock down on Communist party in a relatively YOUNG country

like Thailand is not illogical.

When it was banned there was active attempts to attach Thailand to the communist SE asia axis,

and it scared the piss out of most leaders and many of them are now senior father figures and have good memories.

So I am not surprised the laws were not changed, Thailand is not stable enough... yet.

And look who the un-reconstructed commies are hitching their wagon to these days...

that senior figures and the people behind are easy to point out. and in thailand it was for long time used as scare tactic and to snip out a movement you don't like.

the thammasat students got declared for commies and than they got murdered. the brave city people came to have a look at this unlucky guy at sanam luang.

now thaksin works suddendly with leftist together, no idea about who they are talking there. maybe the octoberist co founder of TRT.

call them commie, come up with LM charges, reduce freedom, secure your own power and that for your old, old family.

get labeld as commie means - you are not thai, you are against the king. that is the way how they try their crackdown. perfidy.

the exaggeration of the commie accusation nothing as propaganda.

and soon we will here a big lament about the foreign press who got everything wrong.

edit: the photo, only the pink man is editet.i will not compare thaksin with that victim, but look at the crowd, the onlookers, that is really disturbing.

on the tree, that only one alone unlucky commie. only one commie died.

remember those words of samak. only possible because it's so difficult in thailand to get the history books right.

Maybe its just me, but after reading all of that, the only thing I thought was "ummmmm, what?"

[ThNiner]

that senior figures and the people behind are easy to point out. and in thailand it was for long time used as scare tactic and to snip out a movement you don't like.

the thammasat students got declared for commies and than they got murdered. the brave city people came to have a look at this unlucky guy at sanam luang.

now thaksin works suddendly with leftist together, no idea about who they are talking there. maybe the octoberist co founder of TRT.

call them commie, come up with LM charges, reduce freedom, secure your own power and that for your old, old family.

get labeld as commie means - you are not thai, you are against the king. that is the way how they try their crackdown. perfidy.

the exaggeration of the commie accusation nothing as propaganda.

and soon we will here a big lament about the foreign press who got everything wrong.

edit: the photo, only the pink man is editet.i will not compare thaksin with that victim, but look at the crowd, the onlookers, that is really disturbing.

on the tree, that only one alone unlucky commie. only one commie died.

remember those words of samak. only possible because it's so difficult in thailand to get the history books right.

Maybe its just me, but after reading all of that, the only thing I thought was "ummmmm, what?"

No, it's not just you. Me as well.

[animatic]

that senior figures and the people behind are easy to point out. and in thailand it was for long time used as scare tactic and to snip out a movement you don't like.

the thammasat students got declared for commies and than they got murdered. the brave city people came to have a look at this unlucky guy at sanam luang.

now thaksin works suddendly with leftist together, no idea about who they are talking there. maybe the octoberist co founder of TRT.

call them commie, come up with LM charges, reduce freedom, secure your own power and that for your old, old family.

get labeld as commie means - you are not thai, you are against the king. that is the way how they try their crackdown. perfidy.

the exaggeration of the commie accusation nothing as propaganda.

and soon we will here a big lament about the foreign press who got everything wrong.

edit: the photo, only the pink man is editet.i will not compare thaksin with that victim, but look at the crowd, the onlookers, that is really disturbing.

on the tree, that only one alone unlucky commie. only one commie died.

remember those words of samak. only possible because it's so difficult in thailand to get the history books right.

Maybe its just me, but after reading all of that, the only thing I thought was "ummmmm, what?"

No, it's not just you. Me as well.

That's a third vote.

The pink guy had as much logic as the arguments....

Edited April 29, 2009 by animatic

[sriracha john]

Government says Thaksin broke the law during his broadcasts

Monitoring of former premier Thaksin Shinawatra's phone and video broadcasts to his supporters in Thailand shows he has broken law on 16 occasions, Prime Minister's spokesman Thepthai Senpong said Wednesday.

Mr Thepthai accused Thaksin of defaming the government several times and of telling lies, like saying that he was not behind the red-shirt movement.

He also rejected red-shirt leader Jatuporn Prompan's claim the Democrat party intends to amend the constitution to grant amnesty to banned politicians because it fears dissolution in the near future.

Continued:

-- Bangkok Post 2009-04-29

Edited April 29, 2009 by sriracha john