Merchant Of Death To Learn Fate Today

[norwayeagle]

Interesting

Ya,especially 4 TV audience who have nothing else 2 do.Media lubricadores.

[sunray69]

I wish the rest of the world could take care of themselves and stop relying so much on the USA.

We are NOT relying on the USA but the USA just put itself in others internal affairs...

[pieter11]

They want him bad. They may go after backhanders in the film industry and sweatshop crowds,

but on this one, the Thai's can demand and receive, and his ass is flying east to a west coast lock up.

If that doesn't happen today the price just went up is all.

You dam_n right.

[sedeflonga]

I hope he manages to fight the charges and is set free.

Given politics however, who knows how the court case will go.

Do you have any idea what he is accused of? What about the liberties of the thousands he alleged to be responsible for the death of? However I don't see why usa has to continue to be the worlds self appointed police, the UN should really get there finger out and take control.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with selling arms.

If it was, let's drag US, UK, Germany, Russia, China, and a whole lot more countries infront of an international court and convict all the politicians approving it.

Seeing it happen yet?

Fact of the matter is that the case brought up to get him extradited is a bogus one. It's not even on the level of getting Capone for tax-evasion, it is much lower.

They are actually charging him with intent - no deal in writing was ever made, he only agreed to meet and possibly sell - arms to a 'Terrorist group', that was nothing more than American Agents posing as South American representatives of one of the many militias in the region.

So it was an entrapment that never even went into conclusion.

He is a merchant of arms and in a true free world he would be allowed to sell to anyone and any country he wishes.

I absolutely concur. Set him free.

[stander]

Bravo to Thai Justice, a fair verdict…….How can the US accuse anyone of underhanded/covert weapons dealing, when they in the form of the CIA have been supplying arms to whoever suits their needs for decades.

[george]

Update:

US 'disappointed and mystified' by Bout ruling: diploma

BANGKOK: -- The United States is "disappointed and mystified" by a Thai court's decision to reject a request for the extradition of Russian alleged arms dealer Viktor Bout, a senior US diplomat said Tuesday.

"We are disappointed and mystified by the court's ruling. We think the facts of the case are relevant to Thai laws," James Entwistle, the deputy chief of mission at the US embassy in Bangkok, told reporters.

The court said that it did not have the authority to punish "actions done by foreigners against other foreigners in another country."

-- AFP 2009-08-11

[asiawatcher]

I hope he manages to fight the charges and is set free.

Given politics however, who knows how the court case will go.

Do you have any idea what he is accused of? What about the liberties of the thousands he alleged to be responsible for the death of? However I don't see why usa has to continue to be the worlds self appointed police, the UN should really get there finger out and take control.

Being an American, I don't understand why we have to be policing the world either. I wish the rest of the world could take care of themselves and stop relying so much on the USA.

I don't recall anyone or any country asking the Americans to act as the Police force of the world?

[churchill]

Thailand Won’t Extradite Suspected Arms Dealer

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/12/world/as...tml?_r=1&hp

topic already running in News Section here http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/Merchant-Dea...ay-t287878.html

[dreimer]

Its only one way for him: extradition. It will happen sooner or later as US is much stronger on the ground in Thailand than Russia.

Guess U do not understand how the Russian Mafia and Thai Mafia can "fix" things?

[toptuan]

Extradition request rejected huh? So, the mouse kicks the agitated elephant in the toenails?

If the USA wants him badly enough, let's see how this plays out...

[Briggsy]

No extradition, so he has been held in Thailand for a year and a half for what? I feel compensation coming on.

Cheers, Rick

I believe the standard rate for improper incarceration (and I'm not sure this falls within that category) is set at 200 Baht per day. Compensation = 200 x 450 = 90,000 Baht.

[anthos]

I predict they let him go

Russia - US relations are being "restarted" by Obama administration so expect less pressure from the states

[anthos]

ah, already ))

[bangkokrick]

No extradition, so he has been held in Thailand for a year and a half for what? I feel compensation coming on.

Cheers, Rick

I believe the standard rate for improper incarceration (and I'm not sure this falls within that category) is set at 200 Baht per day. Compensation = 200 x 450 = 90,000 Baht.

You forgot to deduct the max overstay of 20,000 making a grand total of 70,000. Not bad lol! Seriously the USA must be really pissed off about this.

Cheers, Rick

[Moruya]

BBC reports that

"This is a political case. The Farc is fighting for a political cause and is not a criminal gang. Thailand does not recognise the Farc as a terrorist group," said the judge delivering the verdict at Bangkok's Criminal Court.

See http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/8194824.stm

Not a good day for Thailand.

[hansnl]

Creating a sting operation to arrest someone in my view is the same as inciting crime.

In setting up a sting operation you tell the world that you are unable to end a crime because there are no legal grounds to do so.

More and more police forces all over the world are not able for whatever reasons to do their job.

To be able to go on they do cosmetic policework.

Make arrests of people that are only small fry, arrest downloaders of childporno and let uploaders go on, arrest mules and let the producers and traders go scotfree, arrest `free` guntraders to let the big corporations go on (including using free traders).

[noahvail]

Extradition request rejected huh? So, the mouse kicks the agitated elephant in the toenails?

If the USA wants him badly enough, let's see how this plays out...

If the US had wanted him badly enough, why wouldn't have used a black book op? Perhaps with so many other countries having a hand in it, the US would have ticked off too many players. Right now, a max security jail in Thailand may be the safest place for him. Of course, that's assuming he's guilty. Has he been proven guilty of any of the charges of illegal munitions sales?

I am a bit concerned that "Thailand's court said that it did not have the authority to punish 'actions done by foreigners against other foreigners in another country."' I wasn't aware that extradition to face charges and a court hearing in another country is punishment. There must be a large separation between the judicial branch and the executive branch (if those are the right terms in Thailand) if other people are extradited without the benefit of a court hearing (in re: Sri Lanka).

[Rdrokit]

so any predictions?

I predict another movie.

[NUMBNUTTS]

Entrapment is a dish best served cold.

[TPI]

Update:

US 'disappointed and mystified' by Bout ruling: diploma

BANGKOK: -- The United States is "disappointed and mystified" by a Thai court's decision to reject a request for the extradition of Russian alleged arms dealer Viktor Bout, a senior US diplomat said Tuesday.

"We are disappointed and mystified by the court's ruling. We think the facts of the case are relevant to Thai laws," James Entwistle, the deputy chief of mission at the US embassy in Bangkok, told reporters.

The court said that it did not have the authority to punish "actions done by foreigners against other foreigners in another country."

-- AFP 2009-08-11

Hasn't anyone heard of the US policy called "Manifest Destiny", Teddy R. used it as an excuse to make war with Spain and Mexico and American Presidents and Congresses have used it as an excuse to make war on anyone they choose...It's America's "Manifest Destiny" to be the shining light of "Florida style" "Democracy" through out the world...and if you don't like it then you must be a communist by definition and anti-american to boot!!

[Terminator]

See an appeal by the yankees coming...

[puyaidon]

Classic countercharge. You won't give me the Russian, Thaksin has another place to settle down in. Something like this will result in more accusations of all sorts. Politics is a dirty business and that is all this is.

[julemanden]

So there is no law against arms dealing across national borders in Thailand?

Seems rather illogical.

Most countries would not condon destabilizing another country from on their soil

Well, more and less everything is "up side down" in this country, so i cant see why they should give him up...You know money talks BS walks

[george]

Russia 'satisfied' by Thai refusal to extradite Bout to US - Reax

MOSCOW: -- Russia is "satisfied" by a Thai court's decision to refuse a US extradition request for the alleged Russian arms dealer Viktor Bout, a spokesman for the foreign ministry was quoted by news agencies as saying Tuesday.

-- AFP 2009-08-11

[Ecchi]

The five biggest arms dealers in the world today are also the five permanent members of the security council. The absolutely rely upon their client countries to have an opposition that creates a demand for the improved weapons they are trying to peddle. It is the Bouts of the world they rely upon who provide the weapons to the terrorists to do that. For instance where I work, the Taliban are some 4000 strong, The have a few AKs and some explosives all run on a budget of a few hundred million. The NATO forces here are spending more than a 100 billion in manpower and military equipment a year in fighting them.

If there was no armed opposition, there would be no munitions business. The Project for a New American Century (wikipedia it) was established to cause the US to ramp up its military spending. After 9/11 it had achieved its aims. In it's letter to Bush shortly after it stated

"A serious and victorious war on terrorism will require a large increase in defense spending. Fighting this war may well require the United States to engage a well-armed foe, and will also require that we remain capable of defending our interests elsewhere in the world. We urge that there be no hesitation in requesting whatever funds for defense are needed to allow us to win this war.."

In the website, This Way to the Other Side, the author contends that the like of Bout are a necessary adjunct to the defense industry if the defense industry is to increase its business. I have to agree with him

Edited August 11, 2009 by Ecchi

[crocodilexp]

It is unfair to simply try this one man. The solution is simple. Get all of the worlds arms dealers in to a football stadium, lock the doors and then Napalm the f*****s!

Tigs, I very much agree with your sentiment, but the conclusion makes no sense. Replace "arms dealers" with any criminal activity, and it sounds positively absurd:

"It's unfair to simply try one murderer (or thief). Get at all of the world's murderers (or thieves) and punish them all... or else let them all free (implied in your statement)."

Sovereign countries murder and steal with impunity (both internally and abroad). It has been and will remain like that forever. It doesn't mean that individuals trying a similar game (supplying world's rogue armies and paramilitaries with weapons) should be given a free pass. With government, at least there are some mechanisms of control (democratic process) or balance (pressure by a more powerful country/coalition... if there is one). With individuals, it's the justice system. International justice is weak and spotty, but it's wrong to cheer when yet another merchant of death falls through the cracks.

[Aqualogic]

I hope he manages to fight the charges and is set free.

Given politics however, who knows how the court case will go.

Do you have any idea what he is accused of? What about the liberties of the thousands he alleged to be responsible for the death of? However I don't see why usa has to continue to be the worlds self appointed police, the UN should really get there finger out and take control.

Being an American, I don't understand why we have to be policing the world either. I wish the rest of the world could take care of themselves and stop relying so much on the USA.

Yes is that like how Iraq was relying on the USA to firstly support and Sell the deadly biological weaponized nerve gas to Sadam Hussein and then come over and kill him and thousands of their people and to install their own (previous employee of BECHTEL Corporation) guys?

Yes you guys really do lap up your own propaganda. Which will be the next "victimized" country that you have to save? I am guessing it will not be one without oil, so Venezuela and IRAN are up on the list. Notice how The good ol' USA stood by and did nothing whilst millions were massacred in Rawanda etc... Jeez get a grip you Yanks! Stop just blindly believing your propaganda media machine and take a few swallows from the cup of reality and truth...

[barry]

so any predictions?

I'LL TAKE THE U.S. AND GIVE THE POINTS

[tim73]

Its only one way for him: extradition. It will happen sooner or later as US is much stronger on the ground in Thailand than Russia.

Oh really? Soon USA will be so poor it cannot lift a finger in Canada, thanks to really f*cked up economy.

[wrecker]

Of course this was entrapment and of course the Americans do not give a dam_n about the rule of law, wherever they operate in the world. If there is one people who have studied Mein Kampf very well it are the Americans as they behave like the new super race. The other fact of life is that the Thai police and military seldom follow proper procedure and entrap their own all the time even enlisting children, something the East german secret police would not have dared.