Visa For Uk

[MarilynFlys3]

Swadee Ka,

I am wanting to get my Thai boyfriend of two years to England. I try to get him a family vist visa and was refused. Whats the next step of action I can take?

The reason why my boyfriend did not get his visa the first time:

The Entry Clearance Officer's reasons and supporting evidence:

You state in your application that you wish to visit your British sponsor, Miss Marilyflys3, in the United Kingdom for a period of 1 month. I am satisified as to Miss Marilynflys3 ability to maintain and accomodate you in the United Kingdom, however when assessing your application for a visa, the Immigration Rules requires me to be satisfied that you personally qualify. As such, the following weighs against the issue of entry clearance.

You are a first time visitor to the United Kingdom and yet you have failed to provide substantive evidence of your relationship with your sponsor. It is stated that you met one-another in March 2007 yet no evidence of this has been provided or to suggest you have known one-another over any reasonable period of time. I am therefore not satisifed you are genuinely seeking entry to the United Kingdom for the purpose/period sated.

To help put the nature of your intentions into context, it is important for you to provide evidence of your economic, professional and family circumstances in Thailand. You are a single person of working age, in modest employment with no assests, ties or property, which might encourage your presence in your country. I am not satisfied that your employment alone would encourage you to leave the United Kingdom following your claimed visit. Furthermore, the ability to take a period of such absence is not credible of someone genuinely employed. I am not satisfide, under these circumstances, that you are socially and aconomically well settled in your country. Accordingly, I am not satisfied that you intend to leave the United Kingdom at the end of the period of the visit, as stated by you.

I therefore refuse you application in accordance with immigration Rules.

and

My boyfriend and I tryed for this visa november last year. Since then we are still living together and would like to try again for his visa. However this time I would like to go back to England (I am from England btw) for at least two years. In that time I would like my boyfriend to work aswell as myself. So what is the best way to go about this? Marrage?

Really I just want to go home and take my boyfriend with me. So if anyone out there can help I would be very grateful to hear from you

Thankyou for reading,

Marilynflys3

[ThaiVisaExpress]

Do you have phone bills between you ?

If you use an access number and you make the calls the onus is on you to prove this ?

Assets does he own land etc ?

If you require professional help feel free to contact myself.

[sumrit]

Swadee Ka,

I am wanting to get my Thai boyfriend of two years to England. I try to get him a family vist visa and was refused. Whats the next step of action I can take?

The reason why my boyfriend did not get his visa the first time:

The Entry Clearance Officer's reasons and supporting evidence:

You state in your application that you wish to visit your British sponsor, Miss Marilyflys3, in the United Kingdom for a period of 1 month. I am satisified as to Miss Marilynflys3 ability to maintain and accomodate you in the United Kingdom, however when assessing your application for a visa, the Immigration Rules requires me to be satisfied that you personally qualify. As such, the following weighs against the issue of entry clearance.living in Th

You are a first time visitor to the United Kingdom and yet you have failed to provide substantive evidence of your relationship with your sponsor. It is stated that you met one-another in March 2007 yet no evidence of this has been provided or to suggest you have known one-another over any reasonable period of time. I am therefore not satisifed you are genuinely seeking entry to the United Kingdom for the purpose/period sated.

Whatever type of visa you apply for you will need to provide documentary evidence of your relationship for the two years you have known each other. This could be phone bills, emails, etc to show contact between you to cover the periods you were apart and things like passport visa stamps, accomodation addresses, photos, etc to show you were together while you were living in Thailand.

To help put the nature of your intentions into context, it is important for you to provide evidence of your economic, professional and family circumstances in Thailand. You are a single person of working age, in modest employment with no assests, ties or property, which might encourage your presence in your country. I am not satisfied that your employment alone would encourage you to leave the United Kingdom following your claimed visit. Furthermore, the ability to take a period of such absence is not credible of someone genuinely employed. I am not satisfide, under these circumstances, that you are socially and aconomically well settled in your country. Accordingly, I am not satisfied that you intend to leave the United Kingdom at the end of the period of the visit, as stated by you.

I therefore refuse you application in accordance with immigration Rules.

If you apply for a settlement visa you won't have to show your b/f intends to return to Thailand so this part of the refusal will no longer apply.

My boyfriend and I tryed for this visa november last year. Since then we are still living together and would like to try again for his visa. However this time I would like to go back to England (I am from England btw) for at least two years. In that time I would like my boyfriend to work aswell as myself. So what is the best way to go about this? Marrage?

Really I just want to go home and take my boyfriend with me. So if anyone out there can help I would be very grateful to hear from you

Thankyou for reading.

If you are going back to the UK for at least two years and your b/f intends to work when you're there then a settlement visa is the best/only way to go. If you get married in Thailandyour b/f will be able to work the from the moment he arrives in the UK. If, however he choose's to apply for a fiance visa and you get married in the UK he won't be able to start work untill you are married.

You will still need to supply documentary evidence of your relationship, adequate accomodation for you both in the UK and your ability to maintian yourselves without recourse to public funds (either through employment, savings, or a combination of both).

Good Luck.

[MarilynFlys3]

Hi thankyou for your emails. Do you know how much savings we would need between us? Plus a parents house with a room for us would that be ok?

Thankyou

[7by7]

It seems that rather than your boyfriend not qualifying for a visit visa, you simply failed to show that he did!

To qualify for a settlement visa either as your spouse, or if you have been living together in a relationship akin to marriage for at least the last two years, and show that this is so, then you will need to show that you can support and accommodate yourselves without recourse to public funds. There is no set figure required for income; simply 'enough.'

See Maintenance and accommodation

Edited August 28, 2009 by 7by7

[sumrit]

It seems that rather than your boyfriend not qualifying for a visit visa, you simply failed to show that he did!

To qualify for a settlement visa either as your spouse, or if you have been living together in a relationship akin to marriage for at least the last two years, and show that this is so, then you will need to show that you can support and accommodate yourselves without recourse to public funds. There is no set figure required for income; simply 'enough.'

See Maintenance and accommodation

While there is no set figure quoted I understand that the MINIMUM requirement, after housing costs have been accounted for, is the income support rate which at the moment for a couple is, I believe, about £101pw. This can be from income, savings or a combination of both (so in savings alone you will probably need over £11,000). I do know of somebody who was successful in bringing his wife to the UK when his income was £110pw (with virtually no savings at all) and the income support rate at the time was £94pw.

As for accomodation staying with your parents is perfectly ok. They will need to write a letter formally inviting you to stay with them and include documentary evidence about the house (proof that they live there,etc) and show that you will have at least one room (a bedroom) exclusively for your own use.

[7by7]

While there is no set figure quoted I understand that the MINIMUM requirement, after housing costs have been accounted for, is the income support rate which at the moment for a couple is, I believe, about £101pw.

From the guidance linked to earlier

MAA4 Maintenance: General requirements

There is no explicit minimum figure for what represents sufficient maintenance. If dependants of the main applicant are going to accompany him / her to the United Kingdom, resources must be available for the whole family unit to be maintained.

The ECO should bear in mind the position taken by the UK Asylum and Immigration Tribunal (UKAIT):

In 2006, the UKAIT in UKAIT 00065 KA and Others (Pakistan), strongly suggested that it would not be appropriate to have immigrant families existing on resources that were less than the Income Support level for a British family of that size.

More information is available on the British & Irish Legal Information Institute website (BAILII)

If it is more likely than not that the total amount that the applicant and sponsor will have to live on will be below what the income support level would be for a British family of that size, then it may be appropriate to refuse the application on maintenance and accommodation grounds.

Notice they say 'strongly suggested' and 'may be appropriate to refuse' it's not set in stone.

Though it would be difficult to convince the ECO, and if necessary the AIT, that one had sufficient income if it were below the income support level for a family of the same size, the ECO is allowed to consider any savings, the chances of one or both partners finding employment and short term support from friends or family in the interim.

[ThaiVisaExpress]

The minimum figure is the income support level as guidance only as a married couple this was £96 per week it may well of risen. As for third party support this is short term only.

May i stress guidance only.

[Andrew Hicks]

Swadee Ka,

I am wanting to get my Thai boyfriend of two years to England. I try to get him a family vist visa and was refused. Whats the next step of action I can take?

The reason why my boyfriend did not get his visa the first time:

The Entry Clearance Officer's reasons and supporting evidence:

You state in your application that you wish to visit your British sponsor, Miss Marilyflys3, in the United Kingdom for a period of 1 month. I am satisified as to Miss Marilynflys3 ability to maintain and accomodate you in the United Kingdom, however when assessing your application for a visa, the Immigration Rules requires me to be satisfied that you personally qualify. As such, the following weighs against the issue of entry clearance.

You are a first time visitor to the United Kingdom and yet you have failed to provide substantive evidence of your relationship with your sponsor. It is stated that you met one-another in March 2007 yet no evidence of this has been provided or to suggest you have known one-another over any reasonable period of time. I am therefore not satisifed you are genuinely seeking entry to the United Kingdom for the purpose/period sated.

To help put the nature of your intentions into context, it is important for you to provide evidence of your economic, professional and family circumstances in Thailand. You are a single person of working age, in modest employment with no assests, ties or property, which might encourage your presence in your country. I am not satisfied that your employment alone would encourage you to leave the United Kingdom following your claimed visit. Furthermore, the ability to take a period of such absence is not credible of someone genuinely employed. I am not satisfide, under these circumstances, that you are socially and aconomically well settled in your country. Accordingly, I am not satisfied that you intend to leave the United Kingdom at the end of the period of the visit, as stated by you.

I therefore refuse you application in accordance with immigration Rules.

and

My boyfriend and I tryed for this visa november last year. Since then we are still living together and would like to try again for his visa. However this time I would like to go back to England (I am from England btw) for at least two years. In that time I would like my boyfriend to work aswell as myself. So what is the best way to go about this? Marrage?

Really I just want to go home and take my boyfriend with me. So if anyone out there can help I would be very grateful to hear from you

Thankyou for reading,

Marilynflys3

It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a poor Thai to enter the United Kingdom.

'You ain't got nuffin going for you in Thailand, mate, so we won't let you in just in case you don't come back,' say the reasons for refusal quoted above. 'We only let you in if you have "professional circumstances"!'

'The one thing you say you have is employment but we don't really believe you. And if you do, your boss wouldn't let you go for so long anyway.... so Catch 22. No visa!'

They are in effect refusing a visa on grounds that the applicant is poor. I do not think this represents the law... indeed The Independent Monitor for Entry Clearance in an annual report criticised the tendency to refuse visas to applicants from poor countries and the issue hit the British press in August 2006.

In my view the policy in Bangkok of demanding evidence of wealth and standing as evidenced in VFS's guidance information is discriminatory against poor applicants and is probably unlawful. I suggest that anyone who has been refused a visit visa on such grounds should, if they have rights of appeal, enter an appeal as a matter of principle.

The British Embassy, Bangkok suffers a higher than usual level of visa refusals overturned on appeal so you're in with a chance.

(I realise this does not apply to this OP.)

Andrew Hicks

[7by7]

It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a poor Thai to enter the United Kingdom.

Absolute rubbish, as both myself and many others have shown when obtaining visit visas for various members of our wives' families; who in my case are not by any means well off!

In my view the policy in Bangkok of demanding evidence of wealth and standing as evidenced in VFS's guidance information is discriminatory against poor applicants and is probably unlawful.

So, asking for evidence that the applicant can afford the trip is discriminatory? I can't afford a Bugatti Veron, so following your logic Volkswagen are discriminating against me! Can I sue them? Will you fund my court case, cos I can't afford it; hang on, the courts are discriminating against me as well!

Fact, well over 90% of UK visa applications in Bangkok are successful (source)

The British Embassy, Bangkok suffers a higher than usual level of visa refusals overturned on appeal

Do you have a source to back up your claim?

Edited August 29, 2009 by 7by7